Dark Octave
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So PS4 and XB1 have around 2 million each? How much does the WiiU have sold currently?
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Wii U US November Sales Estimated at 149K by Pachter
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Fourth Storm
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I sure hope they realize this. Iwata isn't the right person to sell their games to western audiences. The quirky humor doesn't really translate to the mainstream that well. Reggie could be possibly, but he seems very subdued in the videos.
It would be nice to see them giving exclusives to the journalists out there who would give the products a fair shot.
Graphics Horse
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Smartphones, twitter, that sort of thing. Putting miiverse on 3ds may be something of a help even if that's the same choir, cos only 10% of them own a wii u.
Calamari41
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I'm not saying that Directs should be retired. They're fine. What I'm saying is that if their response to absolutely catastrophic sales is "add Zeruda to the next Direct!" then they are lost.
2013 has been The Year of the Direct. Do I really have to post the year's NPD results to show whether or not they have been a success? I don't think they're hurting anything, but they are certainly not helping.
Or are we saying that the system would have seen sub-20k per month sales throughout the year without the Directs?
2013 has been The Year of the Direct. Do I really have to post the year's NPD results to show whether or not they have been a success? I don't think they're hurting anything, but they are certainly not helping.
Or are we saying that the system would have seen sub-20k per month sales throughout the year without the Directs?
The mainstream doesn't know what a Nintendo Direct is.
Also giving exclusives to journalists whod give them a "fair shot" is awful
But then again, that could fit almost every product, wouldn't it? You said that the answer is "yes" in bolded, implying you were sure, I was just saying we really can't be sure either way with more data.
Elfforkusu
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Their problem with the WiiU has always been branding. Gamers know what it is (a new system) and judge it accordingly. Normal people look at it, say "wtf, $300 for a wii tablet? no thanks," and go back to their ipad.
It's a cataclysmic failure in marketing -- the 3ds suffers from the same thing to some extent ("is that the same as a DS?")
More than Iwata needing to go, persay, I think he needs to be removed from marketing decisions if he's making them, or to remove whoever is if he's not.
prag16
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Yet you do the exact same thing in the same post they were responding to, asserting that there ARE 100k-200k or more fence sitters, with absolutely no basis to assume that.
They do that too, social networking I mean. Though not smartphones as that is unbelievably vague and I've never heard of it used for advertisements of games outside of ads in games.
They don't have the autonomy to show anything. NOA is cuffed by the head honchos at NCL and the boys in Kyoto dont view some webstream video game awards as the place to unveil anything of significance. I also doubt "they have nothing to show", much like the notion that Sony "didnt have anything to show" is comical. Whether or not it was a good or bad idea is another thing altogether
theprodigy
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Wii U has millions of gamers in the US waiting on the fence for another price drop
you can't prove me wrong either
two can play this game, you know
Common sense?
Not really. I'm simply arguing that in a country with 300 million people, that it's not unreasonable to think 100-200k of them could conceivably want a Vita.
AGoodODST, on the other hand, is arguing that no one in the world could possibly want a Vita, which is silly.
Like I said, almost every game, and that one didn't bomb due to Metal Gear.
No that isn't what I am saying at all. Im saying that there isn't going to be any significant increase in sales due to remote play. Then you spouted some silly notion of a perfect storm that will drive sales. I said this won't happen. Because it won't. Vita will continue on its current path.
Vyse The Legend
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No I didn't. Go back and re-read the post. I simply changed his question into a reasonable one: Could the Vita outsell the Wii U in November with fence fitters? The answer is yes, without a doubt. Will it? That's a different story. Tune in at 6pm to find out.
I never, ever said there were 100-200k fence sitters either. I simply said that that's the number of people it would take (if Pachter's number is accurate), and that's really not a lot of people at all.
There very well could be. That was my point.
I didn't realize remote play was a dirty word around here. Considering how many people saw those words in my post and completely ignored the rest of it, it must be.
And, again, it could -- and it couldn't.
Fair point on the OS. It was an issue, i guess it's not anymore. And I do like the basic design of it, to be fair. Note that I didn't include the XB1 in my value argument as I agree that the WiiU provides better value than it at this time.
You can make an argument for innovation if you want. That one's subjective. I do feel like more people would agree with me than you, though. That basic gut reaction to the gamepad is really what determines most people's relationship to the WiiU. If you love it to bits, well you're going to think the WiiU is amazing.
And Nintendo have always released amazing games. I'm just saying that they've released fewer in the first year of the WiiU than they usually do, and whereas in the past almost half of their 1st party releases might have been GOTY material, this year it appears only Mario 3D World is.
Remember that there was a time when Nintendo's games were miles ahead of almost everyone, when they were revolutionary and new. This year has given us nothing like that. Just a long parade of broadly excellent sequels. It's not the same as what they used to be able to do.
I respect your opinions though.
Linkin Park
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Not saying it goes for all stores, but when I went to my local Bestbuy they only had around 3-4 Wii Us left after having like over 30 of them when I went in the week before. All the Zelda bundles were gone and there were just a few Mario bundles. Not sold out, but it definitely sold well enough.
Not necessarily - sales have been so bad that even a decent boost would be thrown into sharp relief by the PS4/XBO figures. I'm not sure they'd want to issue a press release that amounts to "things are less shit than before", you just don't draw attention to a situation like that even if you're happy about the improvement.
Snot Rocket
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I've noticed the same thing, although I've seen stores with 0 WiiU's left and some with 10. Its a bit all over, but overall I would say most stores has 0-2 WiiUs stocked in a shelf that looked like it once held 10+.
prag16
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You're saying you think there could be enough fence sitters. The others are saying don't think there are. It's the same thing.
I won't say it's impossible, but all indications are that it's just about close enough to it that it doesn't make a difference.
The last couple targets and walmarts I've been to have had 1-3 Wii U's on shelfspace big enough to accomodate 8-12. Probably means nothing.
theprodigy
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"hi, our Wii U sales are still shit after a 400% increase from October" (as an example, not my prediction)
sounds dumb, doesn't it
velvet_nitemare
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My point was to dispute that the Wii U was supply constrained over black friday at most stores, that just reads like damage control. It's been out for a year, supply isn't an issue at all.
We'll know more about sales by tomorrow, but whatever the case Wii U's were available for purchase on store shelves at most stores.
Fair enough, I respect your opinion about the GamePad too, though I think you should really give it more of a shot. It really streamlines gaming in the most mundane use...map/inventory
For games, I dunno...it's definitely not few games, let's look at some first year stuff (Nintendo Published)
Wii U
New Super Mario Bros U (+ New Super Luigi U DLC)
Game & Wario - See above
Sing Party
Game & Wario
Pikmin 3
The Wonderful 101 (Nintendo owns the IP. It counts)
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
Wii Party U
Wii Fit U
Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games
Super Mario 3D World
Wii
Wii Sports
Excite Truck
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
WarioWare: Smooth Moves
Wii Play
Super Paper Mario
Mario Party 8
Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
Pokémon Battle Revolution
Mario Strikers Charged
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Donkey Kong Barrel Blast
Battalion Wars 2
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Super Mario Galaxy
Link's Crossbow Training
Gamecube
Luigi's Mansion
Pikmin
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Wave Race: Blue Storm
Animal Crossing
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
Mario Party 4
Metroid Prime
NBA Courtside 2002
Star Fox Adventures
Super Mario Sunshine
Nintendo 64
Super Mario 64
Pilotwings 64
Killer Instinct Gold
Wave Race 64
Mario Kart 64
Blast Corps
Star Fox 64
GoldenEye 007
Tetrisphere
Diddy Kong Racing
Yoshi's Story
SNES
Super Mario World
F-Zero
Pilotwings
SimCity
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Super Tennis
I won't go into NES because the timings on release of that are a bit screwy. That shows that their Wii U release amount is on par with previous systems. If you include games they paid for/published like Ninja Gaiden 3 and Lego City, it pushes it further.
Steve Youngblood
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I... don't know how to react to this.
Fourth Storm
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If the content of the Directs was more in tune to what westerners want to hear and also the production had a bit more pizazz, they would have a much better shot at least at going viral and/or mainstream news sources picking them up.
Also, why is "awful?" Isn't that what is being done by all companies with gaming news outlets? Unless, the scandal runs deeper and everything is a payoff. Or they can't find a single journalist who specializes in platformers and the types of games Nintendo make. It's pointless to try and win over people who are interested in nothing but the latest gritty FPS/TPS. I honestly don't know - I don't read much gaming journalism outside GAF and the sample of links recommended here.
Shit, I gotta get the folder ready for this one.
There will be an avalanche of Ron Paul.
Directs aren't meant to be the sole method of advertisement and never were. They are about reaching the enthusiasts of the console, as well as the press indirectly. The idea for sure is to bypass the press though, because Nintendo has never been in a good position with them.
Manmademan
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you're missing the point with Directs. Westerners (at least the core) are paying more attention to things like E3 conferences, which nintendo bowed out of in favor of doing nintendo directs.
It's another aspect of the problem where nintendo decides it either can't compete head to head, or doesn't think it should have to, so instead does something bizarre on it's own that caters to an ever shrinking audience. Hardware decisions, software decisions, marketing, take your pick.
outunderthestars
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My vote is still on "Third pillar microconsole" that is a glorified virtual console machine/media streamer to tide them over until a new console is released in 2015.
theprodigy
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yeah, but when was the timing on that
also, technically the Wii U didn't have direct competition yet
Just because some companies may do it, doesn't mean I'm going to advocate that Nintendo seek out journalists who are favorable to their position and give them exclusive content. Thats frankly, gross.
Secondly, Directs are never going to go viral or be a marketing source for the mainstream. Its strictly a method to communicate with their core audience.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Make it one of those Atari-type things with 20 pre-loaded NES games and sell it for $29.99.
But VitaTV isn't exactly setting the charts on fire.
Plus, don't forget, the reveals in Directs will then come through the media friendly methods of press releases, press packs, videos etc. within minutes
Manmademan
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it was prior to the release of official NPD numbers, as the article indicates.
And the WiiU's competition IS the 360 and PS3, don't kid yourself. The PS4 and Xbone are catering to an audience looking for high specs and buying on potential. It's not the wiiU's audience.
cpp_is_king
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Have we gotten official numbers yet?
Graphics Horse
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It would need to be fully conceptualised and already have dev kits out to developers if that's happening.
Steve Youngblood
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No. Still about 4 and a half to five hours off at a minimum.
metalslimer
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I wonder when the first month the Wii U will outsell either the PS3/360 is. Maybe Mario Kart month.
theprodigy
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did I have to bold and underline "technically" as well in order for you to actually get the point
Manmademan
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I'm going with...never? does never work for you?
There's no definition of "technically" that works for you here. The WiiU is closer in price, software lineup, and features to the PS3 and the 360 than it is to the Xbone or Ps4. The only thing is has that remotely puts it in their league is release date, and that's the least important thing when determining what audience a platform is targeting.
Fourth Storm
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Oh, I agree bowing out of the E3 conference bonanza was taking it way too far. I always saw Directs as a counter to their shrinking coverage in the gaming media, as the two grew further apart in philosophy. Rather than give exclusives to people who don't care, they would take it "directly" to the fans. It's not a bad plan, but Nintendo has banked on it almost exclusively to get their message out, which is a problem. The E3 conferences as well as the gaming media, in the U.S. at least, have quite a powerful effect on public awareness and perception.
metalslimer
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Unless Nintendo drops it, it should next Christmas at like 199 with Smash and Mario Kart. Not like it will be impressive by then, but at some point it will. The PS3 posted sub 100k numbers this year.
lyrick
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It's possible it will happen just like the original Wii and PS3/Xbox 360, the Wii U will sell more than the PS3 and Xbox 360 when MS & Sony give up on their Gen7 Consoles.
theprodigy
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"technically" as in "Nintendo can avoid it in their PR", nothing else
Manmademan
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There is no chance it's $199 next christmas. the gamepad is too expensive. Nintendo is already taking a loss on it at $299, and there's not a lot of room for hardware cost reductions unless you drop that pad completely.
I don't really see nintendo doing that.
The 360 and PS3 on the other hand are still selling strongly and have a guaranteed 2+ years of cross platform support from EA, Activision, Ubi, and similar. The WiiU doesn't. If the 150K during black friday figure is accurate, It's very likely the WiiU is either dropped or becomes irrelevant before the PS3 or 360 do.
PR can say whatever it wants. Microsoft has some people thinking "the best xbox launch of all time in the UK!" actually means something, instead of being outsold by the PS4, PS3, and PSP.
Thanks for busting out the list. It really reinforced to me just how weak WiiU's first year was compared to the others. It's not about raw numbers of published titles, it's about quality. Based on their first year output alone, I would buy (and did buy) any Nintendo console pre WiiU. Those are all fairly magnificent lineups.
If you can't see that the WiiU is the clear loser in that list war you just set out, then I don't know what to tell ya. The Wii had a new Zelda and Metroid in its first year. Its first year! We don't even know when a new Zelda or Metroid are coming to WiiU, if they ever will.
Fourth Storm
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That's how gaming journalism works, though, even discounting corruption. It makes sense for reviewers to cover genres they are somewhat familiar with and able to form a valid opinion on.
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