Will White Supremacy ever be dismantled in our lifetime and if so, how?

[Lime]

With all the racist bullshit going on again and again and again in the US and the contemporary perpetuation of colorblind racism that obscures the racist structure in US society, will White Supremacy (in the academic sense of the word) ever be dismantled? You have someone being killed for wearing a hoodie, a guy choked to death in broad daylight on the street, a little kid being pulled up on and gunned down without warning, and on and on without any change. This shit keeps happening and people in power are seeing this shit happen in front of their eyes like a fucking kid getting gunned down in the streets by police officers and nothing changes and no one acts. It's so disheartening and frustrating.

And this is nothing new, considering this is a repetition of racism in the 60's, of course known events like Rodney King, the victims Do the The Right Thing was a tribute to (e.g. Eleanor Bumpurs), and so on. And every response and reaction from half of the country is to defend the killing of Black people and even financially support the murderers. And of course you also have all the institutional and structural oppression of non-White and especially Black people in the US that just completely destroys any good faith in (White) humanity.

Second, and perhaps more importantly, what more can people do to fix the mess that makes people hold racist beliefs and (unintentionally or not) oppress non-White and especially Black US citizens? Protesting, voting, educating, pushing back against the racist friends and family, supporting and helping organizations, using media for dissemination and representation, and so on? I'm just literally mortified that it's been decades without any change in the racist fabric of US society despite the obvious murder and oppression of Black US citizens?

Note: Right now I'm just focusing on US White supremacy, but I would also love to hear global perspectives as well in case anyone is able to contribute with insight.

 

[Peltz]

No. It's too ingrained, unfortunately.

Best we could probably hope for is that everyone bangs everyone for generations to come, mixing the gene pool until there are no more white people left.

(Speaking as a white guy).

 

[JeffGrubb]

I think about this a lot, and I think it doesn't get dismantled so much as it gets left behind.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Nope. Not in my life time, or my children's lifetime.

Maybe if aliens come to earth and upend civil order.

 

[DragonKnight]

Sorry, bud.

Take solace in the fact that life is pointless and this is all gonna end real soon anyway.

 

[entremet]

Why focus on US? It's still huge in many European countries and the Americas.

 

[Onemic]

Honestly, no. I dont think it would happen in our kids lifetime or their kids lifetimes either tbh. In 500+ years maybe.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Never.

 

[BokehKing]

In the United States, no... In other countries? It can happen I believe. The world is a lot different from the US. I have actual faith in parts of Europe and the UK.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

sure, the world could end in our lifetimes.

 

[John Kowalski]

Frankly i think we'll have a better shot when we start colonizing other planets, and that's still a bet i wouldn't make.

 

[Lime]

Why focus on US? It's still huge in many European countries and the Americas.

Check the last part of my post

 

[D i Z]

Maybe if they fuck up and tempt fate once again and actually eradicate another entire culture of people from the face of the planet. This time without it being shielded behind the usual pomp and superiority complex. It would take a cataclysmic shift in the awareness of the entire population of the planet for this to change. There is nothing short of mass murder to get this one though peoples heads.



It would take a critical collapse in this country for the people to have to pull together without killing each other first.

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

Probably not no. Many of the mechanisms by which this situation persists are due to generational factors such as wealth disparities that simply persist; there isn't really anything that you could do about it.

No. It's too ingrained, unfortunately.

Best we could probably hope for is that everyone bangs everyone for generations to come, mixing the gene pool until there are no more white people left.

(Speaking as a white guy).

Well if that happened there wouldn't be anyone of any specific race "left", just one single homogeneous group of people that previously didn't exist.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

Its the bedrock of many western countries. It will never be dismantled.

Edit: I think many American's forget that racism against black people isn't a US problem, especially considering the fact that it was the Europeans that started the whole shebang in the first place. And it's still a problem. Even American's would be shocked at the level of racism you get in parts of mainland Europe.

 

[Banana Aeon]

In the United States, no... In other countries? It can happen I believe. The world is a lot different from the US. I have actual faith in parts of Europe and the UK.

Any recent events break that confidence?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

When racism isn't quantum locked and people finally just show no more tolerance to any of it.

It's possible in our lifetime, but it won't happen. White supremacy is keeping too many people happy. They won't give it up.

 

[Sora the Cat]

I was watching American History X today and it made me kinda sad, to think that here we are, 16 years later and there are people who still think like some in that movie. If the movie was to be released today it would have the same impact it had back then, as the same issues persist with the same strength.

 

[Lime]

In the United States, no... In other countries? It can happen I believe. The world is a lot different from the US. I have actual faith in parts of Europe and the UK.

European countries are more than fine voting in far right parties due to holding racist convictions about brown and black people (bonus points if they are Muslim), even if voting for these parties means damaging their own country (see: Brexit).

European racism is on another level that's making me very afraid these days.

 

[Jombie]

No, and there's nothing we can do about it other than preventing those people to have having a forum to preach hate and intolerance.

 

[O Canada Our Home and Native Land]

I think the fact that police oppression of black communities is even being discussed so much is an improvement. Changes will probably start taking effect soon. White supremacy in other areas in the academic sense won't change though. It's a self-sustaining cycle.

 

[EMT0]

In the United States, no... In other countries? It can happen I believe. The world is a lot different from the US. I have actual faith in parts of Europe and the UK.

 

[QuantumBro]

There's always a chance for a nuclear winter.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

No. It's too ingrained, unfortunately.

Best we could probably hope for is that everyone bangs everyone for generations to come, mixing the gene pool until there are no more white people left.

(Speaking as a white guy).

Lol, this wouldn't stop it at all. White people have no problem with shitting on the same people. Go ask the Jewish, the Irish, the Italians ect. And rich and powerful whites will always exist so white supremacy isn't going anywhere.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

nope

 

[ISOM]

In the United States, no... In other countries? It can happen I believe. The world is a lot different from the US. I have actual faith in parts of Europe and the UK.

Lol, I guess you haven't been paying attention to the UK for the past couple of months have you?

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Why focus on US? It's still huge in many European countries and the Americas.

America is the WOAT though.

 

[SnowFlakeCake]

I've never come across white supremacy, most people are lesser than me due to my education and money so colour has no effect on me. Perhaps it is a bigger issue with poor people but I run in the best of circles, we are just all different colours getting along and looking down on anyone else poorer and less well educated.

Do what you have to do in order to make money, besides fucking someone over of course. That includes choosing your significant other wisely because a pretty face means fuck all when the bills arrive and his/her smile won't fix that.

 

[Lightning_Roller]

Not happening, not for a long while. It's deeply rooted in the society of the U.S. You're gonna need a damn construction crane to pull those roots out.

 

[Drazgul]

Probably not no. Many of the mechanisms by which this situation persists are due to generational factors such as wealth disparities that simply persist; there isn't really anything that you could do about it.

Well if that happened there wouldn't be anyone of any specific race "left", just one single homogeneous group of people that previously didn't exist.

People will always find a way to discriminate, there's always something to set one group of people apart from another.

 

[Heckler456]

I've never come across white supremacy, most people are lesser than me due to my education and money so colour has no effect on me. Perhaps it is a bigger issue with poor people but I run in the best of circles, we are just all different colours getting along and looking down on anyone else poorer and less well educated.

Do what you have to do in order to make money, besides fucking someone over of course. That includes choosing your significant other wisely because a pretty face means fuck all when the bills arrive and his/her smile won't fix that.

I can't tell if you're kidding.

 

[Espada]

When racism isn't quantum locked and people finally just show no more tolerance to any of it.

It's possible in our lifetime, but it won't happen. White supremacy is keeping too many people happy. They won't give it up.

Bingo.

It keeps them "safe" in segregated neighborhoods.
It grants them drastically better life outcomes compared to minorities.
It enables them to access immense amounts of wealth, allowing them to create generational wealth and influence the political process.
It provides convenient scapegoats (minorities) to point fingers at rather than undergoing self-reflection and change.
It allows them to drown the planet with media that depicts them as the smartest, strongest, most competent, most beautiful, etc... inflating their self-esteem and nuking that of other groups.

A group in such a position will never abandon that power voluntarily, self-interest and racism are a nasty team.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

As long as human beings exist on this planet, they'll find a reason and a way to divide themselves and hate others. It's in our DNA, unfortunately.

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

When racism isn't quantum locked and people finally just show no more tolerance to any of it.

It's possible in our lifetime, but it won't happen. White supremacy is keeping too many people happy. They won't give it up.

I think the issue is that since white people outnumber other groups in the countries where this is an issue by such a large margin it only a small percentage of us actually doing anything that actually perpetuates the status quo, and a lot of those people don't even do so intentionally. The people that reject applications, deny loans, etc. based on their prejudices are only a small subset; when most white people hear terms like white supremacy we become frustrated because most of us don't feel like we have any part in it. It is something like global warming; we all contribute but for most of us it is an invisibly small amount. That's what leads to this quantum racism stuff.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I've never come across white supremacy, most people are lesser than me due to my education and money so colour has no effect on me. Perhaps it is a bigger issue with poor people but I run in the best of circles, we are just all different colours getting along and looking down on anyone else poorer and less well educated.

Do what you have to do in order to make money, besides fucking someone over of course. That includes choosing your significant other wisely because a pretty face means fuck all when the bills arrive and his/her smile won't fix that.

I can't tell if this is satire, or if you think white supremacy means something different than it does.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

No, definitely not in any of our lifetimes.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

I've never come across white supremacy, most people are lesser than me due to my education and money so colour has no effect on me. Perhaps it is a bigger issue with poor people but I run in the best of circles, we are just all different colours getting along and looking down on anyone else poorer and less well educated.

Do what you have to do in order to make money, besides fucking someone over of course. That includes choosing your significant other wisely because a pretty face means fuck all when the bills arrive and his/her smile won't fix that.

This nigga right here, :lololololll. You exist so you have come across it. It's basically impossible not to.

 

[FlowersisBritish]

I think the fact that police oppression of black communities is even being discussed so much is an improvement. Changes will probably start taking effect soon. White supremacy in other areas in the academic sense won't change though. It's a self-sustaining cycle.

I dunno, a lot of my friends on FB are conservatives and they don't look at it so much as "talking" as much as "trying to burn down the greatest country in the world"

 

[Lime]

A group in such a position will never abandon that power voluntarily, self-interest and racism are a nasty team.

So the upshot of this assertion is that it needs to be taken away from the powerholders by force, correct? And through what actions do we achieve such social change?

 

[Mimosa97]

I've never come across white supremacy, most people are lesser than me due to my education and money so colour has no effect on me. Perhaps it is a bigger issue with poor people but I run in the best of circles, we are just all different colours getting along and looking down on anyone else poorer and less well educated.

Do what you have to do in order to make money, besides fucking someone over of course. That includes choosing your significant other wisely because a pretty face means fuck all when the bills arrive and his/her smile won't fix that.

 

[DragonKnight]

I was watching American History X today and it made me kinda sad, to think that here we are, 16 years later and there are people who still think like some in that movie. If the movie was to be released today it would have the same impact it had back then, as the same issues persist with the same strength.

Damn.

 

[David H Wong]

Lol, this wouldn't stop it at all. White people have no problem with shitting on the same people. Go ask the Jewish, the Irish, the Italians ect. And rich and powerful whites will always exist so white supremacy isn't going anywhere.

You think discrimination against the Irish is the same today in the USA as it was when they first arrived?

This stuff improves all the time, lots of old prejudices have gone by the wayside. Hell, there used to be laws discriminating against people who were left-handed. It's just that in lots of cases there's a self-perpetuating cycle (high poverty rates mean blacks commit more crimes, racists claim their discrimination is justified because of those crimes, rinse, repeat). But prejudices aren't permanent by nature. Look at the acceptance of homosexuality over the last 20 years - there's still discrimination socially, but it used to be a felony.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

So the upshot of this assertion is that it needs to be taken away from the powerholders by force, correct? And through what actions do we achieve such social change?

Yep, force is the only way I see it happening.

 

[Silver Arrows]

So the upshot of this assertion is that it needs to be taken away from the powerholders by force, correct? And through what actions do we achieve such social change?

I don't think it will ever be achieved through non-peaceful change and action, and that is coming from a white guy. So really, it hadn't to be a complete upheaval of society, or even a race war.

 

[Slayven]

Nah, all we can hope for is slow erosion

 

[Mammoth Jones]

No. Human being tend not to voluntarily give up power. Took em centuries to obtain and build White supremacy. Not going anywhere without a fight. Too much money in it.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

You think discrimination against the Irish is the same today in the USA as it was when they first arrived?

This stuff improves all the time, lots of old prejudices have gone by the wayside. Hell, there used to be laws discriminating against people who were left-handed. It's just that in lots of cases there's a self-perpetuating cycle (high poverty rates mean blacks commit more crimes, racists claim their discrimination is justified because of those crimes, rinse, repeat). But prejudices aren't permanent by nature. Look at the acceptance of homosexuality over the last 20 years - there's still discrimination socially, but it used to be a felony.

4+ centuries later and negroes are still in concentration camps. Sorry breh but I'm supper pessimistic about this stuff. And the whole breed whites out sounds like wishful thinking.

 

[Heckler456]

I think that as long as "problems" exist, there'll be a chance that a certain group of people will blame people of another ethnicity, and that certain other people will latch onto that group because they're lonely and want to belong to SOMETHING.

 

[Lime]

Yep, force is the only way I see it happening.

I don't think it will ever be achieved through non-peaceful change and action, and that is coming from a white guy. So really, it hadn't to be a complete upheaval of society, or even a race war.

No wonder White People are arming their police force with military equipment and weaponry when they are realizing that the only way they'll ever let go of their power and wealth is through force.

 

[Trojita]

America is the WOAT though.

Wouldn't South Africa technically be?