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Windows 10 is using your own bandwidth to deliver updates to others.
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Well I wouldn't go that far. The OS itself is pretty damn solid?
Johnny Cage
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Ah the benefits of having uncapped internet in the UK. Living the dream
Maninthemirror
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I swear . A feature where you can share password by opting in? same old ms
A use of network resources to put WIndows on local and internet machine as a form of distribution? same old ms
Me doing what I have been happy with Google doing on my android phone? same old ms
maybe its same old redundant outrage based on past confirmation bias
Exactly business's have been doing this for ages with WSUS servers. It actually saves BW if you have multiple devices on your network needing the same update.
Seems like people will complain at anything these days.
Miles Quaritch
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I've turned it off, but it's annoying it was on by default. I might have been willing to enable it had it been off by default....
Prophet Steve
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I am really hoping that all the people that are turning it off having very significant bandwidth caps or they are severely overreacting.
It probably helped with get those PC's updating in a short amount of time. Saw earlier that it was on 14mil PC's already? Making it easier for people to update is not really the major issue people are making it out to be. Just turn it off.
So now along with the 45 page terms of service no one reads, now people have to find all the easily buried options that can fuck up your experience at the benefit of Microsoft. Microsoft of course saying "well you can disable it! If you can find where to do that!"
Bullshit. Reminds me of software updates trying to sneak in auto checked additional "freeware" if you forget to uncheck the box. I was updating flash the other day and almost didn't notice when it tried to also install mcafee as I tried to quickly begin the download. Evil shit sneaking in default activated bullshit you know people would disable if they paid attention
Bullshit. Reminds me of software updates trying to sneak in auto checked additional "freeware" if you forget to uncheck the box. I was updating flash the other day and almost didn't notice when it tried to also install mcafee as I tried to quickly begin the download. Evil shit sneaking in default activated bullshit you know people would disable if they paid attention
TwiztidElf
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Peer to peer file sharing is bordering on illegal in my country (Australia).
But it's ok if Microsoft does it?
But it's ok if Microsoft does it?
Prophet Steve
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I think it has to do with it keeping the entire previous version on your hard drive, many people try to already remove that instantly. You can still reinstall your previous version with you key if you want I think.
People don't like Wifi Sense. Maybe that.
They aren't buried. You get the option when you setup Windows at the start.
Maninthemirror
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either you are capped at 1 GB a month of internet or in the 90s but i dont know how this has screw up your experience? The additional freeware is a bad comparison because it lets other companies put their software in without your permission. This is MS distributing the OS through mainly your local network and the internet in the form of bits not megabytes. You have a twisted definition of the word Evil.
This is an option YOU CHOSE when you install Windows..... Did you click the EXPRESS button?
Thanks for the heads up OP; turned that off right away (same with the Ad thing that they are pulling too).
I think that using PC's to help make updates better is very odd, but considering I got Windows 10 for free, I can't get too upset over this news.
If it means anything, I had little issue during the update process to Windows 10 and I only had to re-install two/three programs; it was mostly smooth honestly.
I think that using PC's to help make updates better is very odd, but considering I got Windows 10 for free, I can't get too upset over this news.
If it means anything, I had little issue during the update process to Windows 10 and I only had to re-install two/three programs; it was mostly smooth honestly.
Uh, not that what Microsoft is doing by default is ok but that's not the same file sharing lol.
Makes sense. I do see the Windows.old folder taking up quite a bit of disk space.
Haha what? I don't see how you could possible prosecute someone for sharing their own content just because it was done over torrent. See every Linux distro ever.
Slackbladder
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Worst thing about all this is that Microsoft never mentioned any of this to anyone before the launch of Windows 10. Deceitful fuckers. At least be honest and open to your customers. But no. This is what they think of us, as fucking morons. MS need a kicking.
RoadHazard
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This feature is not among those options you can set during the install process. Wi-Fi sharing, the ad thing, etc, are, but not this.
Maninthemirror
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Miles Quaritch
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I don't understand the hate people have for MS. One would think that they have to provide everything to every customer for free or some shit
Honestly I wish most software worked like this. It's just a better allocation of resources. Stuff downloads faster, server errors aren't a big issue. I get that ISPs are dicks, so people need to have options but I also think you should be deprioritized for updates if you don't opt in.
Much better than OSX downloading it's whole update for 45 minutes then failing validation later and starting all over. I had to do that 5 times with the last one, I thought it was a computer issue.
Much better than OSX downloading it's whole update for 45 minutes then failing validation later and starting all over. I had to do that 5 times with the last one, I thought it was a computer issue.
No, it's not an option you can change during install. It's on by default. Is that the default defense for every crap they are pulling?
Tal Shiar Agent
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Between this and the ad tracking I refuse to upgrade. Who knows what else MS did that people haven't found yet? Windows 7 is the new XP, it will be used for years and years.
Maybe I'll upgrade in 9 months after the OS has had a thorough cleansing.
Maybe I'll upgrade in 9 months after the OS has had a thorough cleansing.
Miles Quaritch
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In Canada, the majority of internet users have data caps
That really sucks.
I haven't had to deal with data caps for like three years.
You "CHOSE".....That excuse right there. Giving people the choice is still evil because Microsoft knows what the fuck they are doing. Everyone on this forum including myself will uncheck that box. The other 10 million will not because they don't even understand what it means.
You could make the argument that those people may not notice it's even on. They also may not notice that browser plugin that got secretly installed "by choice" either. It's still bullshit
The better way to do it is to incentivize people to opt IN to things like this. But they won't do that since there is zero incentive and a lower percent of people will do it
1. It's only in express settings and I think everything is listed iirc
2. You can change it
3. You're getting faster updates out of it and reduced bandwidth use if you have multiple devices on windows 10
Definitely evil, how dare Microsoft try and explore other distribution methods that work out better for us and them. I can't for the life of me understand why people are outraged about this shit. "Deceitful fuckers" lol
onken
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To be fair this is what people said about Windows 2000 when Windows XP came out.
Maninthemirror
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..you think this is giving your connectivity issues?...?
The Cowboy
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Generally I'd say this was OK seeing as the OS is free and they gave an option to turn it off, but as others have said - having it on by default when a large part of users will likely have data caps is not right.
Miles Quaritch
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Did you choose custom installation?
Seems a lot of this stuff might be enabled if you choose express instead of custom.
Daniel Jackson
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Bandwidth is not the problem, all providers here dropped data caps over a decade ago.
The issue of course is that this is turned on by default, that's just not ok.
The issue of course is that this is turned on by default, that's just not ok.
Maninthemirror
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As I said you have a twisted view of evil where your bandwidth is used to distribute software and security updates to users who otherwise wouldnt even bother with them and keep their systems unchecked. The browser plugin has the potential of putting viruses. do you think windows updates and security updates are a virus, its a ridiculous comparison. Its not bullshit its rather innovative to distribute it to as many people as those who want it installed. Most people who i know even non tech chose custom install because you are installing or upgrading a major desktop OS not candy crush.
The updates aren't even that big. they are using bits among 10s of millions of machines, your machine is not taking an entire load beyond a few megabytes a month
It would be useless if it wasn't on be default though.
And as I said before it's really unlikely this has any chance of blowing through your data cap. Windows updates just aren't that big, 500MB a month would probably be enough to distribute every update 5 times over.
RoadHazard
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I'm like 99.9% sure you can't disable this during the install. I went through all those options and disabled anything that seemed tracky or otherwise undesirable, and I definitely don't remember seeing anything about this.
LucidMomentum
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It only works when you're idle, so not really, but a lot of US internet providers have godawful upload speeds so it might. If you're not cool with it, disable it. I will because I don't see a need for it, but for the masses it'll improve their download speeds without most of them knowing. A lot of W10 settings are designed to build a network of users that "look out" for each other, so to speak. For the general public it's a good thing, for those of us with experience, which is a lot of NeoGAF, there will be concerns and workarounds.
This just means I won't spend half of my yearly trips to the grandparents doing virus definition and system updates.
It should be disabled by default in regions with data caps though.
Also people, this is why you go through setup and don't just use default settings.
This is also why you read documentation.
Apple is definitely the least intrusive of the three big OS companies, apart from going Linux of course.
Then again, they don't really make any money advertising.
that battle was lost when blizzard resorted to bittorrent to deliver WoW patches 10 years ago
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