Skittleguy
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Windows 7 is a piece of shit
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Ultimo hombre
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OP tried to make some E-Buddies by going for a sure hit with a "M$ product suxs!" approach. It backfires beautifully.
Sounds like you didn't read the restart/postpone prompt either.
Sounds like you didn't read the restart/postpone prompt either.
:lol The same thing happened to me. Except, you know, I was 11.
We got our first pc (286) as an upgrade to an Apple ][e. The first thing I did was write FUCK YOU BITCH in MS Paint. My dad came downstairs and I kept trying to close the window by clicking the Cancel button in the prompt. I got grounded and have talked shit about lame ass M$ products online for the last 19 years*.
*Not really.
We got our first pc (286) as an upgrade to an Apple ][e. The first thing I did was write FUCK YOU BITCH in MS Paint. My dad came downstairs and I kept trying to close the window by clicking the Cancel button in the prompt. I got grounded and have talked shit about lame ass M$ products online for the last 19 years*.
*Not really.
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josephdebono said:
incredible
Lord Error
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It's a legit complaint, no amount of 'user is dumm' posts will make it any less of a bad design decision. He probably didn't see the prompt because it doesn't always take focus over a full screen application, and if you work in an office environment you may not even have to option to disable automatic updates. Until I was able to do so, the automatic updates on my work computer had me rolling my eyes and being annoyed by them more times than I care to remember.Ultimo hombre said:
It has nothing to do with Windows 7 specifficaly, it's been like that since at least XP, but you'd think they would improve on something so obviously disruptive.
The same thing happens to me in Vista. Since I primarily use my computer as a Mac, I restart it frequently - and sometimes go months without booting into Windows, usually to two or three patches requiring multiple restarts. Sometimes, it asks if I want to restart and sometimes, it doesn't. It's only happened a couple times (usually inconvenient, but since I only play MMOs in Windows, I've never lost anything but time), though my computer defaults to rebooting into OS X, so the reboot process is much more painful if I'm not paying attention.
If a forced restart happens, it is nearly immediate. By the time you've read your dialogue box asking to save, it's already gone. If you do manage to click save quickly, there is a possibility that the app will be force quit during the save and you'll destroy your data. Clicking cancel does not stop the restart or the program quitting.
There is no dialogue box which pops up, telling that a restart will happen. I've had forced restarts within minutes of booting into Windows. If I remember correctly, you can turn off auto-updates, but then Windows Defender starts bitching at you.
Admittedly, I haven't been a Windows for two years now and Vista is strange and unusual. It's very possible that there are "features" you can turn off (like harddrive indexing), but my familiarity is with XP, so new features which are no longer in the same place or do the same thing are easily overlooked. I'm willing to say that it is partly my fault for not being more familiar with Vista, but at the end of the day, your computer should never force quit your application, causing you to lose ANY data (one hour or one minute) without your permission - unless there is a severe, unavoidable error, and even then, there are graceful ways of handling that.
If a forced restart happens, it is nearly immediate. By the time you've read your dialogue box asking to save, it's already gone. If you do manage to click save quickly, there is a possibility that the app will be force quit during the save and you'll destroy your data. Clicking cancel does not stop the restart or the program quitting.
There is no dialogue box which pops up, telling that a restart will happen. I've had forced restarts within minutes of booting into Windows. If I remember correctly, you can turn off auto-updates, but then Windows Defender starts bitching at you.
Admittedly, I haven't been a Windows for two years now and Vista is strange and unusual. It's very possible that there are "features" you can turn off (like harddrive indexing), but my familiarity is with XP, so new features which are no longer in the same place or do the same thing are easily overlooked. I'm willing to say that it is partly my fault for not being more familiar with Vista, but at the end of the day, your computer should never force quit your application, causing you to lose ANY data (one hour or one minute) without your permission - unless there is a severe, unavoidable error, and even then, there are graceful ways of handling that.
This reminds me of a UI improvement I want to be added in all OS. In the newer console RPGs when a dialog messagebox appears giving you several options, with one choice already selected, it ignores when you press the confirm button for about a second to prevent people accidentally choosing the wrong option.pmj said:Yeah, it sure can be confusing what GNOME apps are asking of you.
UI message dialogs should do the same thing for mouse clicks.
you can roll your eyes all you want.Lord Error said:
read my post http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18031357&postcount=135
But dont call IT bitching when you get a virus from some dumbass that opened the wrong email and it got sent to you and you didnt have the patch that fixes the issue.
Or you could be reasonable and ask your IT administrator to roll updates at night and on the weekends, its what I do with updates pushed from WSUS. If you log off your computer they will install and reboot and you wont even know it ever happened.
I've been using Vista on both my home PC's so I'm not that impressed with 7. Its great, but thats because Vista was pretty damn good once service pack 1 came out. Win 7 is basically vista with a little different GUI, less UAC and all the improvements that they patched into Vista.elohel said:
I've got a Dell latitude 2100 with a touchscreen running win 7 right next to me, its pretty cool.
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Just wondering OP, did you know that Automatic Updates are only set to download at 3:00 A.M. by default? And that the OS will prompt you after it is done installing, asking if you want to restart?
This goes for anyone else that thinks that the OS will randomly delete your work in the middle of the day without prompt and reason.
This goes for anyone else that thinks that the OS will randomly delete your work in the middle of the day without prompt and reason.
goomba said:Snow Leopard is worse, Iv had one random system reset when watching a movie in Quicktime and one of these :
Im thinking about trying Windows 7 on my Macbook...
I've panicked the kernel (Darwin?) in 10.3/10.4 (Jag/Tiger) before. I dunno what I did to cause it, but crazy.
Also telling XP to fuck off with the auto-update shit only brings the goddamn thing back five minutes later. No, fuck you, Windows. If I wanted to "update now" I would've said so. I told you to fuck off and let me
I have the same problem with Apple software. I refuse to install ITunes anymore because of that nagging update window that pops up all the time and steals focus from everything(including TF2 which takes forever to alt-tab back into)...when I don't even have Itunes running.TheSeks said:
^^ final version? I think my RC doesn't show that :/ plus is not the same a user requested restart than a system requested restart to install updates right?
This. It almost happened to me yesterday when browsing at full screen (imagine what I was doing...)
But IIRC it wasn't like that on XP as I seem to recall the obnoxious windows telling me to restart the computer while I was working on something and couldn't stop and never going away. 1 hour clicking on "warn me later" on all those pop-ups
P.D.: Anyone knows why windows still requires you to restart the computer in order to install the updates instead of letting you shutdown? I know it keeps updating some components when you restart but it could do the same with a shutdown + start 2 days later right?
Lord Error said:
This. It almost happened to me yesterday when browsing at full screen (imagine what I was doing...)
But IIRC it wasn't like that on XP as I seem to recall the obnoxious windows telling me to restart the computer while I was working on something and couldn't stop and never going away. 1 hour clicking on "warn me later" on all those pop-ups
P.D.: Anyone knows why windows still requires you to restart the computer in order to install the updates instead of letting you shutdown? I know it keeps updating some components when you restart but it could do the same with a shutdown + start 2 days later right?
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Yesthanks, I will :-D Well, actually I won't anymore as I disabled itcaptive said:
Small inconvenience by small inconvenience, things pile up and concentration breaks. This way I just install them when there's nothing pressing to do, and it doesn't interrupt and keep nagging me at worst possible times.Flying_Phoenix
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MisterAnderson said:
Why wouldn't you save your work after an hour?
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Baker said:
Just tried it in Vista. Fucking rad.
MisterAnderson
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I'm not denying that it wasn't stupid of me to not save, and that's my own fault. And I deserve the flaming from everyone reading the thread title literally, but just to make it clear I actually am loving Windows 7 and have told my friends from the get-go how much fun I'm having with it.
Thread title actually should be read: "Auto-update installs are a piece of shit."
I was extremely pissed when making the thread. I knew that it was a stupid idea to title it that, but didn't give a damn. The fact of the matter is, I know how auto-updates DID work on XP (my previous OS). I'm sure I was given the option to turn auto-updates on and off during the Windows 7 installation. I think it's safe to say that I set it to "on" with the idea that it would behave in the same way that XP's auto-updates would work, which is to auto-download then prompt me to install at my convenience, which was not the case.
To everyone thinking I'm a moron who has never dealt with auto-updates in my life and saying things like "LOL it always tells me that it's shutting down and I have to click "yes" to confirm a restart lolollolooloilozzzzzz!!!!!!" This is how it's always been for me. Not last night, though. I'm assuming full-screen was the culprit, but who knows.
And yes I'm a moron for not saving, but like I said I was tired and distracted. I'm usually a compulsive ctrl+S'er. Flaked out last night.
When I manually shut down my computer and I have programs open, it does this. It didn't do this shit last night, and I had about 6 programs open. Windows aggressively closed every one of the programs barely giving me a second to save any of them (wasn't any loss though since I had saved in them already). Even after the "cancel" fiasco with Flash, I didn't even have any time to click save on the remaining prompts from the other programs they closed so fast. That's a design flaw, in my opinion. Still like Windows 7 a lot, though.
Thread title actually should be read: "Auto-update installs are a piece of shit."
I was extremely pissed when making the thread. I knew that it was a stupid idea to title it that, but didn't give a damn. The fact of the matter is, I know how auto-updates DID work on XP (my previous OS). I'm sure I was given the option to turn auto-updates on and off during the Windows 7 installation. I think it's safe to say that I set it to "on" with the idea that it would behave in the same way that XP's auto-updates would work, which is to auto-download then prompt me to install at my convenience, which was not the case.
To everyone thinking I'm a moron who has never dealt with auto-updates in my life and saying things like "LOL it always tells me that it's shutting down and I have to click "yes" to confirm a restart lolollolooloilozzzzzz!!!!!!" This is how it's always been for me. Not last night, though. I'm assuming full-screen was the culprit, but who knows.
And yes I'm a moron for not saving, but like I said I was tired and distracted. I'm usually a compulsive ctrl+S'er. Flaked out last night.
skybaby said:No way in hell it restarted when you hit cancel. Anyone on 7 can try this. Open notepad and type something without saving. Tell Windows to restart and hit cancel on the notepad dialog. This screen pops up instantly:
When I manually shut down my computer and I have programs open, it does this. It didn't do this shit last night, and I had about 6 programs open. Windows aggressively closed every one of the programs barely giving me a second to save any of them (wasn't any loss though since I had saved in them already). Even after the "cancel" fiasco with Flash, I didn't even have any time to click save on the remaining prompts from the other programs they closed so fast. That's a design flaw, in my opinion. Still like Windows 7 a lot, though.
skybaby said:No way in hell it restarted when you hit cancel. Anyone on 7 can try this. Open notepad and type something without saving. Tell Windows to restart and hit cancel on the notepad dialog. This screen pops up instantly:
Haha, check what he's written in Notepad. :lol :lol
Rentahamster
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:lol :lolFatalah said:
I just noticed that too.
For what it's worth, OP, I don't think you're blatantly lying about this. Something happened, and, well, sometimes strange things happen that fuck your shit up.
Whether it's the OS's fault, some other program's fault, user error, or some combination of the above, we'll never know.
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Cheeto said:
On a windows machine? All you need to do is uninstall the Apple Software updater thing. Manually update iTunes from now on, but you don't get bugged by any update notifications.
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Elfforkusu
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Probably already been said, but the OP's problem is that he is using Flash.
tabsina said:
Actually, in Windows 7 you don't have to make that Window active. I constantly have windows prompts popping up active on their own. It is super annoying. I am often typing an IM and when I hit enter to send the message I find I have agreed to some unknown action. This never happened to me under XP or Vista. Can anyone verify that Windows 7 handles it differently?
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wmat said:I like how this guy appears out of nowhere:
It's crazy!
wtf!
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