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Not much going on here so maybe kill time watching the video below, it covers the Navi/Sony "exclusive" rumor.

Any summary before watch?

 

[Racer!]

Not the case anymore. GTX760/660 plays doom and wolfenstein just as well if not better. The 2x more performance isnt a thing anymore, if it even ever was. Consoles are x86 and dx12 vulcan, w10 all improved greatly upon that.

14TF we dont know, even if it is that it will be whole lot less powerfull then what will be availeble by then, or even right now.
800gb/s is just a rumor aswell. What we do know is that 14TF @1tb/s 16gb hbm2 is availeble today.

Storage speed is a guess but looks like going to be fast yes, with zen3/pci 4.0 and navi20 coming i doubt there will be anything unseen on pc as MS will have its exclusives on both.

I think some are hyping up abit too much. We dont know anything about specs other then zen2 and navi lite, which we knew beforehand. 8k is a hdmi2.1 spec, RT is a given as it will have existed for over 2 years when ps5 sees the light. Then we dont even know if it will contain RT hw. Crytek showed some RT voxel demo on amd hw.

Also, cpu wont be clocked at the full 4/5ghz, probably same for gpu.

All you got was some buzzwords and some vague rumors, just wait till specs land.

With all due respect, you have no idea what youre talking about. When it comes to 2x performance, I`ll take John Carmacks word over yours. That said, you cant just take a piece of software and run it and expect it to run 2 times better. It have to be optimized for overall system performance. A lot of third party software is not optimized at all (or badly optimized), and thus wont run any better. Try Farming simulator on a PS4 Pro, runs like shit because its not optimized. The optimization is what gets you to 2x. Its why 1 party software always run and look better.

Of course all specs thus far are rumors. But with a 500/600$ machine (assuming Sony eats 50-100$) in 2020, those specs are possible. And it should produce some amazing results.

 

[Shin]

Any summary before watch?

It's more about AMD as a whole and the choices they had to make along the years (still watching ATM).
Gonzalo discovered in Januari points to Navi10 (2 months later than this article) so the quote below is correct about Navi12.
https://wccftech.com/exclusive-first-amd-navi-gpu-will-have-40-cus-and-is-codenamed-navi-12/
Try watching from 33 minutes of the video as that's when he gets into the Navi/PS5 creation question.

Now you might remember my old exclusive in which I revealed that we can’t expect a flagship GPU from AMD until 2020. I also talked about how Vega was designed specifically for Apple and Navi has been designed specifically for the Sony PS5 and the question that I immediately thought was whether this is the GPU that we can expect to see featured – the answer – nope. The Navi 12 is not going to be the GPU that gets featured in PS5, its a derivative of the actual Navi die and has been created specifically so AMD can get it to market for the PC audience primarily.

 

[ethomaz]

It's more about AMD as a whole and the choices they had to make along the years (still watching ATM).
The below quote holds true today (nearly 6 months later) as it became clear that Navi10 is in the Gonzalo product.
https://wccftech.com/exclusive-first-amd-navi-gpu-will-have-40-cus-and-is-codenamed-navi-12/

It is clear PS5 will use a Custom Navi GPU.
Said that it will be a Navi whoever it is

 

[Fake]

Is confirmed for next box use Navi as well? Or Navi will be ps5 and next box Vega?

 

[IzukuMidoriya]

> ray tracing

So, is this going to be the meme console then?

 

[ethomaz]

Is confirmed for next box use Navi as well? Or Navi will be ps5 and next box Vega?

Only PS5 arch is confirmed.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Is confirmed for next box use Navi as well? Or Navi will be ps5 and next box Vega?

What I'd like to know

 

[Shin]

Gonzalo/PS5
GCN based / derives from
64CU max
14,75Tf max @ 1800MHz (if 18 in Gonzalo's string is a clock speed)

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Open-Source-Navi-GFX1010





RUMOR: One of Sony's potential secret sauce is possibly 16GB HBM2 and was reflective on a earlier leak/rumor (contract based so pays a lot less than AMD normally does).

 

[demigod]

How did Gonzalo become PS5 again? I thought the very first rumor had Gonzalo as Xbox. I'm keeping my expectations low.

 

[DeepEnigma]

How did Gonzalo become PS5 again? I thought the very first rumor had Gonzalo as Xbox. I'm keeping my expectations low.

Leakers have been co-opting shit back and forth.

 

[Insane Metal]

Gonzalo/PS5
GCN based / derives from
64CU max
14,75Tf max @ 1800MHz (if 18 in Gonzalo's string is a clock speed)

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Open-Source-Navi-GFX1010





RUMOR: One of Sony's potential secret sauce is possibly 16GB HBM2 and was reflective on a earlier leak/rumor (contract based so pays a lot less than AMD normally does).

Well GCN again is shit, but HBM certainly souns good. Bandwidth starved this console will not be.

 

[Freeman454]

Gonzalo/PS5
GCN based / derives from
64CU max
14,75Tf max @ 1800MHz (if 18 in Gonzalo's string is a clock speed)

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Open-Source-Navi-GFX1010





RUMOR: One of Sony's potential secret sauce is possibly 16GB HBM2 and was reflective on a earlier leak/rumor (contract based so pays a lot less than AMD normally does).

Could be the desktop part.

 

[Shin]

Could be the desktop part.

Navi10 is mid-range, just like RX480/580 was (what comes after Navi is supposedly more Vega like...whatever that means).
The CU count and "max" Teraflops above aren't related to Navi10, posted it in case people wanted to have an idea or to crunch.

 

[ethomaz]

GCN again... sad days coming.

We can only hope for high clocks with 7nm.

 

[Freeman454]

Navi10 is mid-range, just like RX480/580 was (what comes after Navi is supposedly more Vega like...whatever that means).
The CU count and "max" Teraflops above aren't related to Navi10, posted it in case people wanted to have an idea or to crunch.

Whatever happens, i just hope AMD has something to counter Nvidia, i mean NV's prices skyrocket. Some competition/lower priced parts from AMD will do good for all of us.
Navi would be their first to succeed.

 

[CrustyBritches]

Shin

I don't follow the code names and early leaks for the consoles as much as the desktop equivalents. Is this the same ID string that listed Gonzalo as "Navi 10 Lite"? Does this mean that PS5 is not using Navi 20, and instead a "Lite" variant of the rumored Navi 10 RX 3080 150W "Vega 64 equivalent" GPU?

I have a feeling all the Navi 10 info is gonna spill at the beginning of May before Computex.

 

[Shin]

4Chan....take it with a grain of salt, but Cerny did say more dev-kits going out soon (perhaps that's what the poster is feeding off?)

 

[CyberPanda]

What the fuck is Zen 7?

 

[Snake29]

What the fuck is Zen 7?

Ryzen 7, 2700X I have this same CPU.

 

[TLZ]

What the fuck is Zen 7?

 

[onQ123]

High bandwidth keep popping up in these PS5 rumors.

 

[Shin]

Shin

Is this the same ID string that listed Gonzalo as "Navi 10 Lite"?

Navi is split in so many versions that I lost count, Navi12 is the entry, Navi10 mid-range, Navi20 (next year?) is high-end, but there's Navi14 and 15 also IIRC.
Only Navi10 is relevant to Gonzalo, whether a lite version of that I don't remember you'd have to look up --> https://twitter.com/KOMACHI_ENSAKA

ZG16702AE8JB2_32/10/18_13F8
https://twitter.com/TUM_APISAK/status/1107809675448246272 (first mention of the SoC I think?) https://i.imgur.com/3dUG1BK.jpg

 

[CyberPanda]

Ryzen 7, 2700X I have this same CPU.

Why didn’t you get an Intel instead?

Pretty much how I feel everyday.

High bandwidth keep popping up in these PS5 rumors.

Is it cause of the rumoured 16GB HBM2 memory, instead of 8GB?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Why didn’t you get an Intel instead?

Pretty much how I feel everyday.

Is it cause of the rumoured 16GB HBM2 memory, instead of 8GB?

No, high bandwidth has been popping up since the first OsirisBlack leaks.

 

[CyberPanda]

No, high bandwidth has been popping up since the first OsirisBlack leaks.

I’m so fucking confused now. People were saying ~450GB/sec and now this. Please kill me.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I’m so fucking confused now. People were saying ~450GB/sec and now this. Please kill me.

The initial was 880gb/s. I’m not buying the original HBM rumor. Just with how sloppy the ram split sounds, way too much information that a leaker would not know as far as pricing discount reasons, etc..

 

[ethomaz]

I’m so fucking confused now. People were saying ~450GB/sec and now this. Please kill me.

8GB HBM2 will run at that speed... that was the rumor about 8GB HBM2 + 16GB DDR4.

 

[TLZ]

I’m so fucking confused now. People were saying ~450GB/sec and now this. Please kill me.

I think it was 880gb/s if I'm not mistaken.

Edit: Deep beat me.

 

[Shin]

No, high bandwidth has been popping up since the first OsirisBlack leaks.

Make of the videos below what you will, he makes compelling arguments (I/O, memory, scalability).
It's not good to follow tech too closely, it will give you a freakin' headache /S, the Zen 2 video might be interesting also.
Wish it was E3 2020 already...

 

[onQ123]

Is it cause of the rumoured 16GB HBM2 memory, instead of 8GB?

When did the rumor go to to 16GB HBM2? I seen someone post 16GB but I thought it was just a typo & ignored it , was their another rumor?


the high bandwidth rumors been popping up since last year & seem to be common even when everything else is changing.



18GB is also showing up for like the 3rd time.

 

[CyberPanda]

When did the rumor go to to 16GB HBM2? I seem someone post 16GB but I thought it was just a typo & ignored it , was their another rumor?


the high bandwidth rumors been popping up since last year & seem to be common even when everything else is changing.



18GB is also showing up for like the 3rd time.

Shin put it in one of his posts. He even said ‘rumour’ before it.

 

[Freeman454]

I’m so fucking confused now.

There are no specs released yet. Its just like with the PS4, Sony said about the same things about the PS4 as they did a week ago about PS5.
Only rumors and fantasy from fanboys so far. Theres someone from MS or was with MS, that thinks PS5 will be 8TF. All sony fans attacking him for saying something dangerous like that.

 

[CrustyBritches]

OsirisBlack was saying 18GB GDDR5 and 2.1GHz core clock. He mentioned to me almost 2 weeks ago the numbers have been changed since then, but disclosing them could compromise his source.

Navi is split in so many versions that I lost count, Navi12 is the entry, Navi10 mid-range, Navi20 (next year?) is high-end, but there's Navi14 and 15 also IIRC.
Only Navi10 is relevant to Gonzalo, whether a lite version of that I don't remember you'd have to look up --> https://twitter.com/KOMACHI_ENSAKA

ZG16702AE8JB2_32/10/18_13F8
https://twitter.com/TUM_APISAK/status/1107809675448246272 (first mention of the SoC I think?) https://i.imgur.com/3dUG1BK.jpg

Yes, that was the image I was thinking of with the "Navi 10 Lite" designation.

Spoiler: Gonzalo ID String

This is the rumored Navi lineup...

Spoiler: Navi Lineup

Navi 10 is occupying the same price point and TDP Polaris 10/RX 480 did at 150W/$250. If any of these rumors pan out, PS5's GPU could be 48CUs/1.8GHz or 44CUs/1.8Ghz and around 125-135W power consumption. We'll find out soon enough.

 

[ethomaz]

4Chan....take it with a grain of salt, but Cerny did say more dev-kits going out soon (perhaps that's what the poster is feeding off?)

I will be honest it is the first "leak" that I can believe in.

Zen2 8C @ ???Mhz
18GB for games / 6GB for OS GDDR6 15200Mhz 384bits @ 733GB/s
Navi 13.3-15.2TFs 56-64CUs @ 1850Mhz

It fits.

BTW ERA has some weird guys that things a GDDR6 16Gbps (16000Mhz) can run only at 16000Mhz... in fact the GDDR5 in PS4 runs below the specification for better cooling/power draw too.... so 15200Mhz feels right.

 

[Shin]

OsirisBlack was saying 18GB GDDR5 and 2.1GHz core clock. He mentioned to me almost 2 weeks ago the numbers have been changed since then, but disclosing them could compromise his source.

I took the 2.1 as HDMI 2.1, which give or take kinda sounds credible now since Cerny mentioned 8K.
The other Navi (14, 15) and whatever else came from Kosaka / Twitter, not sure where he got it from (not that it's important).

 

[Freeman454]

8TF seems realistic, expect less dont be dissapointed later.

 

[jonnyp]

8TF seems realistic, expect less dont be dissapointed later.

You think Sony is going to release a new console which has a GPU that is only 50% more powerful, or even less, than the one in One X? Yeah, ok pal....

 

[bitbydeath]

8TF seems realistic, expect less dont be dissapointed later.

16TF is probably more realistic than 8TF.

 

[Insane Metal]

Why the F would there be 18GB for the GPU instead of 16GB? Does it even make sense?

Fake edit: I just saw above, 12 for GPU + 6 for OS. Hmmmm

Real edit: but it says 64GB RAM total? This all doesn't make sense to me

 

[demigod]

There are no specs released yet. Its just like with the PS4, Sony said about the same things about the PS4 as they did a week ago about PS5.
Only rumors and fantasy from fanboys so far. Theres someone from MS or was with MS, that thinks PS5 will be 8TF. All sony fans attacking him for saying something dangerous like that.

You apparently don't know him.

8TF seems realistic, expect less dont be dissapointed later.

I'll bet you a PS5 that its going to be higher than 8TF since you keep flaunting this number like an xbox fanboy.

 

[onQ123]

16TF is probably more realistic than 8TF.

I wouldn't say that because a really smart thing Sony could have done is used the same 36 CUs as PS4 Pro but at 7nm & clocked 2X as high giving you 8TF of GPU power while leaving a lot of room for accelerators & on die cache.


The GPU will be enough to take 1080P PS4 games to 4K plus the the advancements from the newer specs & higher bandwidth.

 

[bitbydeath]

I wouldn't say that because a really smart thing Sony could have done is used the same 36 CUs as PS4 Pro but at 7nm & clocked 2X as high giving you 8TF of GPU power while leaving a lot of room for accelerators & on die cache.


The GPU will be enough to take 1080P PS4 games to 4K plus the the advancements from the newer specs & higher bandwidth.

But it’s not realistic.

 

[Insane Metal]

11~14TF is realistic IMO.

8TF only if they plan on releasing a $299 console a la Wii, which won't happen.

 

[ethomaz]

Why the F would there be 18GB for the GPU instead of 16GB? Does it even make sense?

Fake edit: I just saw above, 12 for GPU + 6 for OS. Hmmmm

Real edit: but it says 64GB RAM total? This all doesn't make sense to me

It probably 18GB only for games because it is a Devkit

So I suppose it is 24GB total... 18GB games + 6GB system.

 

[wordslaughter]

It feels like every single time AMD has a new GPU on the horizon it's a NEW architecture that's NOT GCN.

But then as release nears we hear that actually, yeah, it's GCN but this is THE LAST GCN and the NEXT one will definitely be a new architecture.

But I feel like we've done this cycle 3 or 4 times already.

 

[Insane Metal]

It feels like every single time AMD has a new GPU on the horizon it's a NEW architecture that's NOT GCN.

But then as release nears we hear that actually, yeah, it's GCN but this is THE LAST GCN and the NEXT one will definitely be a new architecture.

But I feel like we've done this cycle 3 or 4 times already.

True, lol

 

[onQ123]

So I took a wild guess that 18432MB would be a perfect multiple of 18 / 36 / 72 / 256 / 512 & so on



So if the GPU RAM dump is real we are looking at a GPU with either 36 CUs matched up to 512MB each or 72 CUs matched up to 256MB each



18432 is also a perfect match for PS4 GPU megaFLOPS 1.8432


look like they are trying to get perfect BC with enhancements like going from 1080P to 4K or from 30fps to 60fps or 120fps

 

[Snake29]

Why didn’t you get an Intel instead?

Pretty much how I feel everyday.

Is it cause of the rumoured 16GB HBM2 memory, instead of 8GB?

Why shouldn't i?

 

[CyberPanda]

Why shouldn't i?

Intel CPU's are better imo.