-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Wired: Next Playstation will be call Playstation 5. More details.
ManaByte
Gold Member
I'm not using evasive language. Do you even know what NVMe is? And I mean without googling a non-consumer level server drive.
Scarlett and the PS5 aren't being built with magical hardware. They're using technology that you can go out right now and buy. Can you do it for $500? Probably not. But the tech exists and that's what's going in the new systems; just like with the PS4 and Xbox One. Both used AMD CPUs and GPUs that had PC equivalents. Like like the current systems, shortly after they launch you can go out and buy the same GPU and slap it in your PC (although the high end cards by then will probably better).
NVMe is newer SSD tech. Most computers don't use them yet because they need a specific port on the motherboard so most people use SATA SSDs. But with the right interface NVMe is faster.
By the time they need to mass produce the PS5 and Scarlett, prices will also be at a level where they could realistically put a 1Tb drive in the systems and sell for $400-500.
Last edited:
demigod
Member
No you're just assuming. The SSD is proprietary.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
LMAO! I remember that post. During that ban phase, I was called to Sony HQ down in San Diego and discussed about some of the tentative innovations which were being planned for the next generation console. I suggested that a hole needed to be included because gamers nowadays are phallic in nature and like to stick things inside holes a lot more than usual. Shawn Layden agreed to my suggestion and greenlit the idea. Sometimes, I think I was the one responsible for his firing....PagingMiyazakiHatesKojima
Didn't you mention there was a "hole" or something you "insert" in the PS5 that is innovative but you can't speak on it (after you came back from the ban request), you silly lovable little troll you?
Nero_PR
Banned
I will get fucked by the prices here in Brazil. You are not alone my friend.The games are gonna be more expensive on those 100gb discs I think right? At least at first, gone are the £50/$50 starter rrp games.
£70/$70 per base game do you reckon Minimum? With some games up to £100 for gold editions, ultimate editions hitting 140 on physical, digital prices even higher. A few months to a year in that should come down to about 49.99.
So what’s that in Australia like $5000 aud per censored Mortal Kombat game?nah kidding mates it’s more like $130 aud right? over in Canada $115 cad?
Because we all know how the pricing goes, it never quite matches the USA, These days I feel like they interchange the $ for the £ rather than the correct exchange rate.
And we’re fucked after Brexit on Game pricesin the UK anyway, even if the rest of the world stays around the PS4 RRP entry point prices.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
That's the sort of reply I'm looking for. When we get a full look at the full package of the new systems I think it's going to easily be a more affordable price than a PC with all the same specs, that's my main point here. There's a lot of talk about how PC gaming is better at the same price but at least at launch I don't see that being true for next gen. Similar to the 360 gen, PC's weren't 360 level for 360 prices when it launched, this past gen was a fluke in that sense.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Sony is bringing back PocketStations and they'll attach to the controller like VMUs.
Yoboman
Member
I’ve been lifting for the past 7 years so I’m ready to take on that extra 30 grams of controller weight"[the controller] doesn't have a name yet"
Gosh, I wonder what it might be called ...
The next-gen controller uses a USB Type-C connector for charging
Larger-capacity battery
Haptics motors
A bit heavier than the DualShock 4(depending on your point of view)
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Any idea if the NMVe is basically the same tech as HP were selling in their desktops 2 or possibly 3 years ago ? I remember it specifically being advertised in their PC's.
Silent Duck
Member
Was Bill farting?Microsoft
Look at Michelle Obama’s face. In fact, look at all the faces around him. It must really have stunk.
Bill’s like “That’s right... breathe deep.”
Last edited:
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
ManaByte
Gold Member
I don't think limited is confirmed. I think they're just using lawsuit safe wording right now while they test games.
He was checking out Ivanka.
Last edited:
brap
Banned
Looks like a fucking toilet seatThe devkit is real after all.
As opposed to the last 6 years of it being mandatory?
Bryank75
Banned
The weakness of PC is its lack of standardization.... you can't make a character travel super fast or fly a jet at mach+ if the world can't load. So all the power a fraction of the PC community may have is meaningless.
So is raytracing to most of the PC community....whereas it will be 100% effective for PS5 users.
Also the fact that it is hardware accelerated, means that combined with the new cpu and gpu and proper optimization, you will probably see more impressive visuals on console. Particularly mid-cycle.
Also haptic will be incredible, imagine it paired with VR.
Yoboman
Member
The more surprising thing is we are hearing anything at all with more than a year till launch
I guess it beats inaccurate rumours flying around
not really. "there is ray-tracing acceleration in the GPU hardware". Well, technically, of course, you could use GPU hardware for ray-tracing, but this will kill your performance.
What you want is dedicated ray-tracing hardware cores. that's not what the PS5 is able to do. they will use resources of the GPU hardware for ray-tracing, but then you can't use those resources for other stuff.
The next Xbox (scarlett) will have dedicated ray-tracing hardware codes, see here: https://www.windowscentral.com/xbox...ated-ray-tracing-cores-says-gears-5-developer
This is a HUGE difference, like generational difference.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
If this thing doesn't have full bc god help them goddamnit. Fucking Microsoft is doing a killer job.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
You have to be trolling.... Haptics have been on PC VR since Vive launched lol and your other points are complete delusion.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
No, not really.
If you look at what the best nvidia has to offer right now, raytracing effects while looking cool are somewhat limited. Assuming scarlet has the equivalent of a 2080 in raytracing hardware, you're taking a few puddles of water here and there, and it might get put to good us in things like in-engine cutscenes.
Don't get me wrong, it will have something the ps5 can't do, sure. We're not talking about scarlet being able to do real time pixar movies eh.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Having played Control with RTX completely on I will say Raytracing is much more than a "couple of puddles" . Ray tracing is a generational leap in rendering in all aspects (lighting, ao, etc). Playing with it off or on is like PS3 vs PS4.
That said, Nvidia's ray tracing sucks and will be dead due to the standardization from consoles.
Last edited:
Bryank75
Banned
So what is going to happen when GTA6 comes out and they have a Jet that can go over Mach 1 ?
PS5 will be able to do that across the board..... will PC gamers have to buy an ultra fast SSD or what if PS has proprietary tech? Will PC have to wait till SSD reaches that speed?
Likewise GPU's take a huge nosedive when raytracing is turned on, will you be sacrificing FPS or resolution? I am curious...
Psykodad
Banned
Probably something like limp vs hard.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
First off, the jet wont go mach fucking 1, as a dev myself I can tell you have no clue what you are talking about. Secondly, if I am wrong, anyone who is unable to play a game on PC with the jet going, LOL, mach 1 will just have to upgrade. Thats what PC gamers do, they upgrade when they have to.
This idea that a company will make a third party game like GTA6 and exclude that game from being on PC because of fucking loading is completely retarded.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
A good portion of that is because control omitted a lot of standard rasterization, AO and cube map effects it would have had if it did not rely on the ray tracing.
They just did not develop them at all like they would have, and threw it all through RT so the leap looked greater, but did not look that much greater than compared to even tradition games from 2014 using long form methods.
If that is the future we have to endure, then it kind of sucks for those who once got the effects prior to RT tech. Almost lazy in a way, where base games are now taking a step back missing features it once had (raterization, cube map reflections, AO, etc..)
Last edited:
How would they sell you another peripheral for VR then?
Yes but perhaps they should look at it differently people can jump into VR without buying a peripheral, just a camera and headset needed instead of a controller as well.
Imagine getting into VR costs $300 without the need for a controller but costs $370 with a controller. That saving of $70 maybe make people more tempted to jump in.
Also if every system came standard with motion controllers we would have more developers making some motion games as well which I would mind. I actually enjoyed Wii Sports, Red Steel 2 and etc on Wii, would have been cool to get these types of games back but with better hardware and better online. Sports Champions on PS3 was great.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
I'm sorry but RT is the future of game rendering, just like PBR before it. Within five years there will be no AAA games with realistic visuals that are not using RT. Notice I did not say "RTX" is the future, because it isn't. RTX is just a marketing gimmick.
Last edited:
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
There are some people that actual pushed the idea closer to the power consumption envelope of mobile chips and thus easier to scale up to something like a game console: https://cdn2.imgtec.com/whitepapers/powervr/ray-tracing/powervr-shining-a-light-on-ray-tracing.pdf
A good read, kind of goes on to what you could do to make it more efficient especially with dynamic geometry.
Bryank75
Banned
Did I say that they wouldn't release it? no.....
Also I am not attacking you or even PC really. It is just a different approach / a more individualistic approach to gaming.
I am stating where I think PS5 will have an advantage regarding standardization, which is the philosophy behind consoles.
Of course there are advantages to PC also, they can upgrade faster and components are replaceable far more easily.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I never said it wasn't?
I am actually excited for it. Especially when it comes to GI, since I am a huge lighting fan in games.But what Control did was cheap. You had a damned wall in an office with solid white panels with RT off. But then on, they magically became black glass with reflections, where in the past you would get reflection maps developed. You did not even get fake glass, you got solid white walls. Now people without RT have no choice but to stare at an ultra low wall setting no matter how high they put the texture and world effects up, or buy an RTX card currently.
It felt more marketing push with that game, omitting basic features we had for years and years.
Last edited:
Physiognomonics
Member
One of the launch game is rumored to be a remake of Demon's souls.
FranXico
Member
The Xbox One does not have full backwards compatibility either. God help them both?
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I hope to see more than remake/remaster I want to see new IP similar to Gravity Rush, The Last Guardian and even full on JRPG from Studio Japan.
Bryank75
Banned
That's not Japanese enough, it will need a game with very big hair, ridiculous poses and the protaginist will need to spend at least 50% of his / her time in the air!
Fake
Member
Calm down mister. Don't turn this into a 4chan level insult.
Last edited:
SaturnSaturn
Member
I think he ment that Scarlett is going to support every xbox one game available to buy from the marketplace.
TheGreatYosh
Banned
So it's not going to be called PS4 2? I had good sources though. They must have called an audible after I revealed the name.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
PC’s would be able to brute force away, sooner or later, some limitations.
When price and power consumptions are not your biggest limit there is so much someone else can punch above their weight.
Still, what console generation transitions can make more likely is the reimagining of a software stack between external I/O and CPU/GPU that is optimised around much much slower spinning hard disk drives, On Windows and macOS you would see such a transition take a lot longer because of the difficulty in bringing breaking changes like that to more diverse ISV and user bases.
Yoboman
Member
I’m thinking they might leave it all for E3
Seems like a lot of the tidbits they might have thrown into a Feb conference are out there to some extent. Rough specs and a vision of hardware ability, controller capability, some tech demos, launch window.
1 big event with price, games, launch date and design seems a good possibility. Then more info drips for U, online etc in State of Plays up until launch
Seems like a lot of the tidbits they might have thrown into a Feb conference are out there to some extent. Rough specs and a vision of hardware ability, controller capability, some tech demos, launch window.
1 big event with price, games, launch date and design seems a good possibility. Then more info drips for U, online etc in State of Plays up until launch
ManaByte
Gold Member
Things get drowned out at E3. They'll do the same they did with the PS4. Reveal it on February and then fill in stuff at E3.
Mochilador
Member
I expect Knack 3 to be a launch title.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It goes deeper than this... if they were to include RT cores they would not have space for all the other shader cores... they are screwed either way. If they only had magic balance tech like the others do
...Seriously, you are twisting wording that has been standard in tech for years: PS5 will have dedicated HW resources for RT, not sure what else they can say to avoid this concern “posting”... BTW, like for Scarlett and RTX, dedicated RT resources / cores have little use outside of RT the more they are optimised for a specific RT implementation.
Similar threads
- Locked