Wkd BO 07•14-16•17 - Audiences go Ape, Sick of Spider-man and Wonder Woman (finally)?

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She's usually standing in the middle when the trinity is shown

I don't think the spidey plateau has anything to do with ASM2. I think the main reason it's not drawing anyone in is it really didn't present anything new for spidey. The fact they went back to high school Peter...again. And did the earlier start...again just wasn't enough to move the needle. What was the hook? The only hook was he was in the MCU and knew iron man. Then the trailers just showed so much of the movie plot and beats. It'd be a movie that you expect it to be

I contend if they started this movie with Peter out of college, has been spidey for a while and is already dating MJ when the movie started. It would have helped spice things up
 
I still can't understand how could you tell from the very first SMH Friday. That movie did way better than WW's first weekend. How could you tell from that that SMH would end up below WW? I understand being able to tell after the second weekend but not after the first.
There have been over 50 of these big superhero films since X-Men 1. There are some pretty well established patterns by now, especially for the MCU films.

On Tuesday, I guessed that Spider-Man Homecoming would be between $210-215M as of today (day 10), based on the numbers we had for the first 4 days: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243173925&postcount=536

Spider-Man was at roughly $130M as of Monday, so I was projecting another $80-85M for the next 6 days. This weekend was a bit weaker than the MCU average, so we ended up getting $78M. Even the high end of my range from Tuesday was only 9% over the actual number, because Spider-Man is following a fairly predictable path.

Occasionally we get something like GotG1 or Wonder Woman (to an much more extreme extent) that deviate pretty significantly from what is typical, but that's maybe 1 in 20 films.
 
....your posting doesn't make sense.

You are questioning if BP with break out, and then simultaneously predicting it to have one of the biggest BO's for a Comic film like, ever (especially debut solo films)
That doesn't seem pretty big since WW & Guardians are both about to pass it with ease. I wouldn't be surprised if Thor 3 does the same as well. I'm saying it won't hit $400 like WW is about to.
 
That doesn't seem pretty big since WW & Guardians are both about to pass it ease. I wouldn't be surprised if Thor 3 does the same as well. I'm saying it won't hit $400 like WW is about to.
$350 million would put it in the top 5 highest grossing solo debut films ever for a comic I believe. Is that correct kswis?

Edit - I think actually it would be top 3
 

Chamber

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I still can't understand how could you tell from the very first SMH Friday. That movie did way better than WW's first weekend. How could you tell from that that SMH would end up below WW? I understand being able to tell after the second weekend but not after the first.
You'd expect higher than a $117m weekend after a $51m opening day. The fact that SMH's weekend estimates kept going down throughout late Friday and Saturday pointed to it being frontloaded. Wonder Woman on the other hand increased 23% from Friday to Saturday (removing the Thursday numbers from Friday). Spidey increased only 6% by comparison.
 
Black Panther not even going to crack 300mil.
I love that we're arguing this now, in July 2017. I'm not being facetious, I think it's cool.

I think it has a really good shot of clearing $300 mil.

It's launching in a period with not a lot of competition
The pedigree behind and in front of the camera is really goddamned high
Coogler's two films are damn near flawless.
It's something we haven't seen in a superhero movie yet. It's utterly unique in that regard.

So you got something really new, under the umbrella of a widely trusted brand, helmed by one of the best directors currently working, with a frankly fucking AMAZING cast, opening with not much to challenge it for at least a month. Look at what Deadpool did in the same timeframe with an R-rating. Now imagine something a little more mainstream, with Marvel's marketing behind it, without that restriction on the audience size.

It's got a real shot, I think.
 
I dunno about Black Panther. I'm gonna see that motherfucker seven times in theaters, but I'm not sure the rest of Murica is gonna be able to "relate" to it like Wonder Woman.
Yeah, no chance.

BP is not really a well known character. Some who are into BP are clearly into him, but WW is a pretty well known property.

Honestly, before he appeared in an avengers movie, I may have heard his character name in passing once in the past. No prior knowledge - and I don't live under a rock, but I also don't bathe myself in the comic book world.

I view this character is highly niche at best. Looks like it might be a crazy good film, but I bet a bunch of less informed moviegoers will be like "Black Panther movie? You mean that group that was protesting vietnam in the 60's?"
 
Black Panther can do really well, but the script must be up to snuff, nobody will rush to see a vanilla-ass marvel film only because it stars black people. It needs to say something, and say it loud like Wonder Woman did.

Luckily, their director choice (and cast) was just stellar.
 

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That doesn't seem pretty big since WW & Guardians are both about to pass it with ease. I wouldn't be surprised if Thor 3 does the same as well. I'm saying it won't hit $400 like WW is about to.
Put it into perspective that the only Marvel films pass 300mil(Even close) are with Ironman on the cover or GOTG. Even WS fell quite a bit short of the that mark.

I do think 250 film is in the card, which would put it on par with WS and above the rest. But 300Mil+ would put it on Ironman level domestically.
 
They should have done one more ASM movie. The first 2 weren't as bad as people made them out to be. Ending superhero movies on a duology just isn't right and probably left a bad inconclusive taste in peoples mouth. I mean even Thor got his own trilogy. Sony messed up.
On the contrary, I think the obsession that people have with trilogies is damaging to stories. Like every story needs to be told in exactly 3 parts, no more, no less. If a series never gets a 3rd entry, people complain for years the director needs to come back to "finish the trilogy" (that doesn't exist). And then as soon as a 4th movie is announced, people start coming up with fan outlines of the "second trilogy" of what they would do for movies 4, 5, and 6. It's dumb. Stories can easily be 1, 2, 4, or 20 parts.
 
Black Panther can do really well, but the script must be up to snuff, nobody will rush to see a vanilla-ass marvel film only because it stars black people. It needs to say something, and say it loud like Wonder Woman did.

Luckily, their director choice (and cast) was just stellar.
I didn't like Wonder Woman as much but even I can admit that the movie had a heart. The story had a message and it was loud and clear.

Black Panther so far looks like it has a lot of AWESOME action scenes but so did Civil War and that had Black Panther along with all the other A-listers. It needs a unique hook to make it stand out among other MCU movies.
 
Black Panther can do really well, but the script must be up to snuff, nobody will rush to see a vanilla-ass marvel film only because it stars black people. It needs to say something, and say it loud like Wonder Woman did.

Luckily, their director choice (and cast) was just stellar.
heh i thought WW was more marvel formula than any of the recent marvel films, which is why i liked it so much i suppose
 
heh i thought WW was more marvel formula than any of the recent marvel films, which is why i liked it so much i suppose
I can see that. But is that more commentary on the dark, brooding D.C., or more a commentary on the somewhat brighter Marvel?

In the end though the lesson of WW I think is a hero with a great message, which is upbeat and more 'classic' hero. Diana knows what she wants to achieve, and her goals are noble. She is focussed on this, she doesn't doubt herself, she isn't full of angst.

Hopefully (crossing fingers) this pushes supes and bats more into this direction. I would love nothing more in J.L. than to see supes doing his level best to protect and save people, even more than fighting bad guys.
 
I remember one of the big discussions comic book nerds were having just a few years ago was how Green Lantern was 'replacing' Wonder Woman in the DC Trinity since his comic book was selling well and there was film coming up that was supposed to launch the DCEU at that time, and now, GL isn't slated to have a film until at least 2019, doesn't have a spot in the first JL film, and a Wonder Woman origin movie blew away expectations and will just miss being the highest grossing origin film ever and domestically outgrossed the first ever Superman/Batman film.

What I'm saying is, Green Lantern is a loser.
 
WW had non-Super Hero characters that I cared about. In most MCU movies, I don't give a shit about others aside from the Super Heroes.
"But Charlie, who will sing for us?"

Best Diana.

You're totally right though. I can quote scenes that centered around each of the characters where Patty was shining a light on them to make them people you care about.