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Wkd BO 07•21-23•17 - Slam Dunk' for Nolan, Apes escape, not rough Girl's Trip, Luc

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Lucy - Worldwide Gross: 463,360,063
US Gross: 126,663,600

Dunkirk will make more than Lucy in the US, yet Lucy numbers was what Besson was hoping for for Valerian. Besson films are stronger outside of the US, and while I'm sure he didn't make Valerian thinking it was going to bomb in America, Lucy numbers would still be below Dunkirk.

would it have even broken even with Lucy's numbers? IIRC rule of thumb is 2.5x production budget, so in this case it would've needed 500M (though I guess by selling off distribution rights forever ago it's probably a bit more messy).


Man that was a great movie.
 

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Atomic Blonde was a top notch spy film. I think folks might be disappointed because it was marketed as a John Wick-like, which it only is in small bits.
The story is a bit convoluted for its own good, with twists and turns happen just for the sake of surprises. But other than that, it's really entertaining if a bit slow.

If anything, I enjoyed it more than Wick 2, and Wick 2 is a damn fine action film on its own.
 

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Atomic Blonde was a top notch spy film. I think folks might be disappointed because it was marketed as a John Wick-like, which it only is in small bits.
Seeing it next week. Apes today before work.

Dunkirk filled more seats yesterday at work than all other movies we had together.
 

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Alright 10am. Parked my ass in my seat. Looks like only 2 other people also had the same idea as me and wanted to see Valerian on a big screen at this ungodly time. 780 seat screen with 3 people lol. I would think the electricity costs for the dual 4k projectors alone is more than what they make off the tickets.
 

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Alright 10am. Parked my ass in my seat. Looks like only 2 other people also had the same idea as me and wanted to see Valerian on a big screen at this ungodly time. 780 seat screen with 3 people lol. I would think the electricity costs for the dual 4k projectors alone is more than what they make off the tickets.
They're probably hoping you all bought the big tub of popcorn.
 

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I can't decide if I should just go watch Atomic Blonde now. I mean, I absolutely loved John Wick but I was already exhausted by the formula during John Wick 2. And so I would love it if Atomic Blonde doesn't come with as much action as the John Wick movies.

Also, the cinematography looks great in the trailers.
 

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I can't decide if I should just go watch Atomic Blonde now. I mean, I absolutely loved John Wick but I was already exhausted by the formular during John Wick 2. And so I would love it if Atomic Blonde doesn't come with as much action as the John Wick movies.

Also, the cinematography looks great in the trailers.

I saw Atomic Blonde yesterday.

Go watch Atomic Blonde. It's action is a very different style, and there's not as much as in John Wick. A few short to medium scenes, and one huge central set piece.
 

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I can't decide if I should just go watch Atomic Blonde now. I mean, I absolutely loved John Wick but I was already exhausted by the formula during John Wick 2. And so I would love it if Atomic Blonde doesn't come with as much action as the John Wick movies.

Also, the cinematography looks great in the trailers.
Atomic Blonde

It's worth it for the action alone.
 

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On the first statement, the spin-off film Bumblebee just finished most of its casting and should start filming by next month I believe - the budget will most likely have been trimmed given The Last Knight's under-performance though that's for sure.

Gianopulos is a smart executive, I don't doubt his ability in bringing some life back into Paramount. And I think you know this as well, but Paramount/Viacom is in their current situation because of Philippe Dauman's awful tenure as CEO of the company. It's going to take some time before Paramount can be viewed as a "competitor," but I wouldn't count them out just yet.

Bumblebee starts shooting this week. Production budget is between $70-$80 million (with $22 million of that coming from the California government). That's about half of what the previous lowest budgeted film in the series cost. Hard to say if it got a cut because of TLK's run since the first spinoff was always spoken about as a smaller film (set in the 80s in one city, small cast of robots).

I don't think Paramount is that boned for franchise films. Give it two or three years and you'll start hearing about a new TMNT and/or Star Trek. If Transformers 6 flops, they'll inveitably reboot it. There's been some movement on GI Joe and they'll probably try The Last Airbender again. The key is that these have got to be good movies.

Lionsgate, however ... Power Rangers was a flop and that's basically it. The young adult novel fad that made them into a big company is over and no one can reliably put out La La Lands.

The TLOU movie is basically in development hell. The Uncharted movie has been rebooted more than once, and I believe all we have right now is that Holland is starring and it's going to be a young Drake. Ratchet and Clank thoroughly under-performed, which is actually kind of impressive for a kids movie that actually had some marketing. There was supposed to be a Sly Cooper movie that no one has really heard anything about for a while now. And then we get to the fact that Resident Evil is basically the only video game based movie series that has had any sustained success.

Ratchet & Clank wasn't a Sony Pictures release, which helps explain the pathetic box office take. Rainmaker, the animation studio on the film, took a bath on it and any ongoing pre-production was halted on Sly Cooper. Some of that is being recylced into a TV show with different partners.

Half of the BO from the last Resident Evil movie came from China lol.
 

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I don't think Paramount is that boned for franchise films. Give it two or three years and you'll start hearing about a new TMNT and/or Star Trek. If Transformers 6 flops, they'll inveitably reboot it. There's been some movement on GI Joe and they'll probably try The Last Airbender again. The key is that these have got to be good movies.

Everyone talks about how stacked Paramount's IP cupboard is but I call shenanigans on that. WB had the incredibly successful Batman trilogy from Nolan and there was a strong sense that people wanted more Batman so the reboot made sense, that IP was coming from a position of strength. Nothing on Paramount's slate has that strength or momentum.

While it's only a matter of time before they try and bring back Trek and TMNT as reboots both of these franchises were put to pasture because earlier instalments didn't perform enough to warrant sequels in the first place.

If GI Joe is such a big deal why did the two films Paramount make based around the IP, the sequel to which was a soft reboot anyway, both under perform (to put it kindly) at the box office?

And the Hasbro cinematic universe? Apart from the 12 nerds on GAF no one cares about ROM Space Knight and post Transformers what's the appeal of MASK anyway?

Paramount's rebuilding job is going to take time, money and patience in an industry where all three are abhorred. At this point it feels like Paramount is flailing in the water just waiting for a competitor to snap them up.

We shall see how it pans out.
 

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And the Hasbro cinematic universe? Apart from the 12 nerds on GAF no one cares about ROM Space Knight and post Transformers what's the appeal of MASK anyway?

Yeah. I mean there were 13 people caring about Ant Man and Doctor Strange, thats much more.
 

berzeli

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I don't think Paramount is that boned for franchise films. Give it two or three years and you'll start hearing about a new TMNT and/or Star Trek. If Transformers 6 flops, they'll inveitably reboot it. There's been some movement on GI Joe and they'll probably try The Last Airbender again. The key is that these have got to be good movies.

Lionsgate, however ... Power Rangers was a flop and that's basically it. The young adult novel fad that made them into a big company is over and no one can reliably put out La La Lands.
They kind of are though.

TMNT saw its grosses cut in half with the release of the 2nd film (which also cost $10 million more to make at $135 million). I don't think we'll be seeing another one unless they are able to make it for $75 million or less. Maybe an animated reboot?
I do sort of agree with you on Star Trek. Make it for about $100-150 million and it should perform decently.
Lord knows what is going on with G.I. Joe. It's a bit like that third Sherlock film that is totally going to happen you guys.

The biggest problem for Paramount is that they haven't had a new successful (all entries over $100 million domestic) franchise since G.I. Joe in 2009.

And it looks like they will finish this year behind Lionsgate.

But I am looking forward to whatever animated cult classic Paramount will make into a live action feature, put an actress (mostly known as blonde) in black hair, have some of that hair across the face on the poster, and put a damn triangle on it for good measure.
 
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The biggest problem for Paramount is that they haven't had a new successful (all entries over $100 million domestic) franchise since G.I. Joe in 2009.

And it looks like they will finish this year behind Lionsgate.

Damn, I hadn't realized that Paramount was in such a bad place. And it's a bummer that the Trek franchise gets completely ignored internationally.

But I am looking forward to whatever animated cult classic Paramount will make into a live action feature, put an actress (mostly known as blonde) in black hair, have some of that hair across the face on the poster, and put a damn triangle on it for good measure.

Time to make a deal with Capcom.
Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li 2 starring Emma Stone.
 

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The American movie beat the French movie in America and the French movie beat the American movie in France. Luc Besson is not a well-known name in America so the Christopher Nolan name alone would have put more asses in seats, unless Valerian starred Leonardo DiCaprio as Valerian and ScarJo as Laureline.

If there is one takeaway from this years box office, it's that ScarJo = sucess!
 
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It's just not all that appealing for general international audiences to be honest. It feels like it never managed to fully leave the nerd corner there.

Definitely but I don't get why it has such a negative stigma. I know I would need to hold my friends at gunpoint to get them to watch one of the Abrams films with me but they're fine with Star Wars or Guardians of the Galaxy. And Star Trek 09 is just as fun and entertaining as those, if not more. I don't know, I've always found the aversion to Star Trek in some parts of the world a bit strange. I guess it all goes back to the 60s show.
 

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Valerian was not good. Impressive visuals so I'm glad I went to the early screening, but like honestly people saying where did the 200m go, just look at the screen you idiot. Cara was okay. DeHaan was terrible. They tell you that he is his former soldier who is a lady killer and all that. And then you see the dude. Looks average as hell. Didn't buy any of that.

This is the 3rd movie I find him absolutely insufferable in. Dude is no1 in my actor shit list now. Hollywood just let him become the next Taylor Kitsch. Stop trying to make him happen.
 

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I said the key is that they have to be good movies lol. Transformers, Trek, and TMNT have had the likes of Bay and Roberto Orci/Alex Kurtzman on them. At one point that was a winning team. That's not really the case anymore.

TMNT pushes a lot of merch and unlike Transformers, Paramount owns the property. That's why I'm expecting another, likely less ugly and serious looking TMNT in the near future. Possibly fully CG. Who knows. The same "we own this" feeling is behind my Airbender relaunch.

GI Joe will probably never do >$500 million WW, but there's still money to be made. The idea that Hasbro is going to launch toy brands that have been MIA for 30 years through big budget movies sounds hysterical. Especially when Jem and Max Steel (I know, not Hasbro), which are less unknown, both got tiny budgets and still flopped. Will Paramount go through with that Beyblade movie, too?
 

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Damn, I hadn't realized that Paramount was in such a bad place. And it's a bummer that the Trek franchise gets completely ignored internationally.
I think this may end up as one of their worst years, if not the worst, in the 2000s.
This is what they have left for the year:

mother! - I honestly have no idea how this will perform, its release/marketing strategy is so atypical. Aronofsky have done pretty well lately though.
Suburbicon - Will probably perform like Clooney's previous efforts in the topping out in the $30-40 million range if they're lucky and its good. Not really seeing it perform along the lines of something like No Country for Old Men.
Daddy's Home 2 - I don't see this performing as well as the first one. Wouldn't be surprised if it did a drop similar to Horrible Bosses -> Horrible Bosses 2.
Downsizing - Alexander Payne had a pretty big hit with The Descendants, which he followed up with the more modest Alaska. The premise could be too weird for mass appeal, but it could be a Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

These four need to scrape up something like $250 million for this to not be Paramount's worst year in the 2000s.
You probably could remove La La Land from LIonsgate's earnings and they would still finish ahead of Paramount.

Then again, I could just be a doomsayer with a grudge.
 

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Everyone talks about how stacked Paramount's IP cupboard is but I call shenanigans on that. WB had the incredibly successful Batman trilogy from Nolan and there was a strong sense that people wanted more Batman so the reboot made sense, that IP was coming from a position of strength. Nothing on Paramount's slate has that strength or momentum.

While it's only a matter of time before they try and bring back Trek and TMNT as reboots both of these franchises were put to pasture because earlier instalments didn't perform enough to warrant sequels in the first place.

If GI Joe is such a big deal why did the two films Paramount make based around the IP, the sequel to which was a soft reboot anyway, both under perform (to put it kindly) at the box office?

And the Hasbro cinematic universe? Apart from the 12 nerds on GAF no one cares about ROM Space Knight and post Transformers what's the appeal of MASK anyway?

Paramount's rebuilding job is going to take time, money and patience in an industry where all three are abhorred. At this point it feels like Paramount is flailing in the water just waiting for a competitor to snap them up.

We shall see how it pans out.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Transformers fatigue isn't something new. Hasbro went through this with the original cartoons and popped out the Beast Wars franchise before transitioning back. It's time to do so again.

I'm serious here
sorta
 

Takao

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I'm not even sure if it's Transformers fatigue. The movies peaked domestically with ROTF. I think it's Bay and the rest of the world were just a little slow to catch on.

Even if it's good, Bumblebee will get blowback for coming so quickly and using the same robot aesthetic. I thought it was bizarre they roped in Travis Knight for it. Then I felt kind of bad that he's stuck in this storm. Then I found out his dad is one of Nike's founders and he has a "job" there.
 

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Definitely but I don't get why it has such a negative stigma. I know I would need to hold my friends at gunpoint to get them to watch one of the Abrams films with me but they're fine with Star Wars or Guardians of the Galaxy. And Star Trek 09 is just as fun and entertaining as those, if not more. I don't know, I've always found the aversion to Star Trek in some parts of the world a bit strange. I guess it all goes back to the 60s show.

I think the problem is that the words 'fun', 'entertaining' and 'exciting' don't really come to mind when the average person thinks of Star Trek. There is this stigma that the series is very stiff/stilted and dry - unfortunately that stigma is not entirely unfounded, given the ideas that form the foundation of Star Trek. There are also more than enough episodes that (beyond the general tone) reinforce that stigma. Come on, you have e.g. an episode that revolves entirely around resolving a contractual dispute with an alien race. Bureaucracy isn't sexy.

I think they haven't really managed to figure out *why* Star Trek should appeal to international audiences. I enjoyed the Star Trek series and yet even I haven't see the last two movies. Why should I?

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I'm not sure if international audiences are the problem in general though or if it is a wider issue with audiences and/or certain regions.
 

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I'm not even sure if it's Transformers fatigue. The movies peaked domestically with ROTF. I think it's Bay and the rest of the world were just a little slow to catch on.

Even if it's good, Bumblebee will get blowback for coming so quickly and using the same robot aesthetic. I thought it was bizarre they roped in Travis Knight for it. Then I felt kind of bad that he's stuck in this storm. Then I found out his dad is one of Nike's founders and he has a "job" there.

I mean that basically describes fatigue, for the movies anyway. I feel like the franchise needs either substantntial time diffrence between now and future entries, radically different set or geniuely good movies probably a combination of at least two of the 3.

The story of these hasn't really changed too much and noone is invested in these stories or even internal consistency. The closest thing it has to likeable ongoing charactrs are optimus and bumblebee. Megatron is a washboard and barely a villain and everyone else is interchangeable.

Honestly the problems the movies have weren't too dissilar to the issues the original series had, too many new robots, too much focus on humans and it got a bit played it.

That's why the beast wars sequel worked. Small intimate largely constent casts so when someone came or went it meant something. No humans, and focused on individual character arcs, compelling villain and a focus on changing environment rather substantially changing cast.
 

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It looks like Rth revised down his Dunkirk estimate. So around $28M looks more likely.

Girls trip will easily top Atomic Blonde. Girls Trip's second weekend will be about $2M shy of Rough Night's total.

Atomic Blonde is looking like $18.5-19M. If the budget was ~$30M, that is a decent start. It might hit $50M domestic if it holds up next weekend.


Spider-Man will have a drop of around 40%, putting it around $278M domestic. Suicide Squad was $5M ahead at the same point. Suicide Squad had Labor Day in its 5th weekend, so it will pull ahead some next week. However, Spider-Man should get better weekdays. I think that I will go with a $320-330M finish for Spider-Man for now.
 

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The American movie beat the French movie in America and the French movie beat the American movie in France. Luc Besson is not a well-known name in America so the Christopher Nolan name alone would have put more asses in seats, unless Valerian starred Leonardo DiCaprio as Valerian and ScarJo as Laureline.

When you're given a budget of $180M, the goal is to make money for your studio, as simple as that.
 

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When you're given a budget of $180M, the goal is to make money for your studio, as simple as that.

Pretty much. I am glad that France is enjoying Valerian, but for a $180M film, France doesn't really matter. An amazing run there would still only work out to about 10% of what Valerian needed to be worth making.
 

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Weekend estimates starting to roll in

Girls Trip: $20.1m
Atomic Blonde: $18.55m
DM3: $7.7m

DM3 is going to quietly become the summer box office champ worldwide.
 

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“It’s great when critics and audiences are in sync, but The Emoji Movie reached its intended audience and we’re thrilled that they have spoken and made it a family event <Smiley face Emoji>,” beamed Sony’s global marketing and distribution chief Josh Greenstein.
and we’re thrilled that they have spoken and made it a family event <Smiley face Emoji>
<Smiley face Emoji>
Between this and the fact that their Marketing department ironically invited a Youtuber who had Patrick Stewarted all over their film makes me believe that The Emoji Movie is an SPE inside joke that went too far.
 

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Top 10

1. Dunkirk $28.1m
2. Emoji $25.65m
3. Girls Trip $20.1m
4. Atomic Blonde $18.55m
5. Spider-Man $13.45m
6. Apes $10.4m
7. DM3 $7.7m
8. Valerian $6.8m
9. Baby Driver $4.05m
10. Wonder Woman $3.54m
 
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Dunkirk: $28.1m (-44%)
Wonder Woman: $3.54m (-23%)
Valerian: $6.8m (-60%)

Something, something, Lady Legasus.

Top 10

1. Dunkirk $28.1m
2. Emoji $25.65m
3. Girls Trip $20.1m
4. Atomic Blonde $18.55m
5. Spider-Man $13.45m
6. Apes $10.4m
7. DM3 $7.7m
8. Valerian $6.8m
9. Baby Driver $4.05m
10. Wonder Woman $3.54m

Nolan saves human civilization once again.