Albino_Yeti
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To add to this, I also think that most audiences just don't enjoy going to see a heavy, rough movie like Detroit when they can see a lighter, more fun movie.
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DarkLordMalik
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So Dunkirk will likely end up 160-170M with the way it's trending. I called 160M as the best case scenario and looks like it'll achieve that.
WW will top highest grossing Spider-man or highest gross superhero origin (non-sequel). It also has an outside shot at taking Civil War down.
WW will top highest grossing Spider-man or highest gross superhero origin (non-sequel). It also has an outside shot at taking Civil War down.
BronsonLee
Member
Don't worry Chamber I'll protect you from the Canadian Nightmare
Yeah. Honestly, while I appreciate what Detroit is bringing to the table it's something I would wait to watch at home on bluray or streaming. And I bet that's a majority shared preference for harrowing films like this.
At the very least, you'll edit your posts to protect him after the fact!
Insane Metal
Member
So sad to see Detroit bomb that hard 
And lol @ TDT.
And lol @ TDT.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Third World Country confirmed.
You couldn't pull off a Tarzan level miracle.
BronsonLee
Member
I call it The Post-Mortem Maple Leaf
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Maybe Pacific Rim 2 will be a hit for Boyega. That dude deserves to not be in bombs outside of Star Wars.
broncobuster
Banned
Dane doesn't have that 8-pack V.
$170M is a lowball. Interstellar was at $121M at this point. Even considering the Thanksgiving bump that Interstellar received in this coming week, Dunkirk should still be ahead by at least $4M through its fourth weekend. A 40% average drop during the next seven days will put Dunkirk at $151M coming off a weekend over $10M. I'd bet on $185M+
...I want it to be true but I already know that movie ain't gonna make a lot of money
To be fair he was in the Circle for like 3 minutes but they decided to use him to sell the film
I'll take oppressive darkness any day of the week. But I can see the subject matter just not sitting well with most people. America sucks right now. We don't need another reminder of how shitty it can be.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
The trailers for Detroit made it seem like he was gonna be the main character when in reality he's a supporting character. The main characters are the kids being held hostage.
MHWilliams
Member
Yeah, Justice League, if it's decent, should be $750-800 million easy.
Agree. Early august was a very curious time to release Detroit.
lightskintwin
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Outside of Star Wars, I just don't see John Boyega being a leading man/box office draw.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
He's handsome and real popular with young people. I think he needs a movie that better utilizes his charm. He can probably sell a romantic comedy.
Hardly anyone has star power these days.
lightskintwin
Banned
He's popular because of Star Wars. I don't see him resonating with audiences outside of that. I don't think he's leading man material especially in comparison to somebody like Idris Elba. Also his American accent for African Americans sucks. LOL
Plenty of people have star power to varying degrees that often depend upon the type of movies they're in and their quality.
the only leading men/box office draws in hollywood right now are Leo and Nolan.
MHWilliams is opening his files right now, he has a thesis for modern star power and hollywood
DarkLordMalik
Member
I firmly believe that Pacific Rim should easily gross more than half billion worldwide. It should also have no trouble clearing $100 million in domestic.
Of course, for my domestic assumption, I have to expect a good and critically well received film otherwise I don't think it can do that well domestically. It will be still a HUGE hit internationally though and maybe China can help it still hit $500 million and above.
Leo has taken quite a break after his Oscar win. Will he remain a box office draw? I guess we will find out soon enough.
I'd say Tom Cruise is one right now though.
broncobuster
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lightskintwin
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Nonsense. Denzel Washington has been one of the most consistent box office draws. Will Smith is still a box office draw, he's just been doing modestly budgeted dramas as of late. Kevin Hart and The Rock are box office draws.
Yeah, domestic.
ElBoxyBrown
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Not after The Mummy. People aren't gonna force themselves to see a bad Tom Cruise movie, which he has had a couple.
The Master
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Maybe. I think having to put on an American accent detracts from his natural charm. Him and Emma Watson have this flirtation thing going on in The Circle and neither one sold it particularly well. Although to the fair to both actors, that movie was aggressively dumb.
Count me as a Pacific Rim Uprising naysayer. I don't think it'll make a blip in the US with such a stacked March. Maybe if Tomb Raider moves to summer and then PR:U reviews really well, then they might be cooking with something.
This conversation always comes with caveats.
If we are talking about $150-200M films, star power doesn't mean much. The right person in the right role can definitely boost a film's financial outcome, but I don't think it matters much if that person is popular before the film releases, given the $100-200M marketing campaigns that most blockbusters get.
If we are talking about a $30-35M film like Detroit, having a recognizable lead still has some measurable value. A large portion of the marketing campaign for smaller films comes from the film's stars doing the press tour.
I think a films quality, marketing, genre, are more important than the leading actor.
Ryan Reynolds was dropping BO bombs for years and had no star power. Put him in the right role, with great marketing, a popular genre and you have success.
There is obviously some degree of pull actors have with an audience but it seems overblown.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Denzel Washington is a good example, so is Kevin Hart. Will Smith was pretty good at box office until he made some bad decisions recently, although Suicide Squad has elevated his box office status again and Aladdin is no doubt going to take it to another level.
I am not sure about The Rock though. Baywatch proved that he can have some duds although he has Jumani and Rampage coming up, which are going to prove his mantle.
As much as I hate The Mummy, it wasn't the worst movie I have seen this year and it likely isn't going to suddenly kill Tom Cruise or the other co-stars' box office potential.
CampbellzSoup
Member
Do you guys think pirates franchise is over or it has another movie in it?
lightskintwin
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I don't disagree, but there's no reason to completely discount star power either.
Will Smith's critically panned dud of a film Collateral Beauty still made almost 90 million worldwide off a production budget of 36 million.
ElBoxyBrown
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Tom Cruise isn't getting any younger. His age is starting to show.
Maybe my previous post came off that way but I'm not trying to completely discount it.
I still think Leo, Denzel, Cruise, The Rock, and others have a certain pull. They can drop a dud but they can also help boost a film.
Ahem...
Directors are another category. Nolan owns WB because of his power and Cameron can get as much money to do whatever he wants because of his.
I thought that the Mummy confirmed that he was a young man.
The youngest. Dude looked and moved like he is in his 30's.
DarkLordMalik
Member
You all people are sleeping on the box office potential of Tom Cruise. He is evergreen when it comes to box office. I mean look at the movies that he has mainly starred in and which have grossed more than 100 million domestically.
1. Top Gun - $179,800,601
2. Rain Man - $172,825,435
3. A Few Good Men - $141,340,178
4. The Firm - $158,348,367
5. Interview with a Vampire - $105,264,608
6. Mission Impossible - $180,981,856
7. Jerry Maguire - $153,952,592
8. Mission Impossible 2 - $215,409,889
9. Vanilla Sky - $100,618,344
10. Minority Report - $132,072,926
11. The Last Samurai - $111,127,263
12. Collateral - $101,005,703
13. War of the Worlds - $234,280,354
14. Mission Impossible 3 - $134,029,801
15. Mission Impossible 4 - $209,397,903
16. Edge of Tomorrow - $100,206,256
17. Mission Impossible 5 - $195,042,377
Even if you remove Mission Impossible, you get close to dozen movies of him that have grossed $100 million and if you add worldwide to the mix, he is easily the most bankable star, even now.
1. Top Gun - $179,800,601
2. Rain Man - $172,825,435
3. A Few Good Men - $141,340,178
4. The Firm - $158,348,367
5. Interview with a Vampire - $105,264,608
6. Mission Impossible - $180,981,856
7. Jerry Maguire - $153,952,592
8. Mission Impossible 2 - $215,409,889
9. Vanilla Sky - $100,618,344
10. Minority Report - $132,072,926
11. The Last Samurai - $111,127,263
12. Collateral - $101,005,703
13. War of the Worlds - $234,280,354
14. Mission Impossible 3 - $134,029,801
15. Mission Impossible 4 - $209,397,903
16. Edge of Tomorrow - $100,206,256
17. Mission Impossible 5 - $195,042,377
Even if you remove Mission Impossible, you get close to dozen movies of him that have grossed $100 million and if you add worldwide to the mix, he is easily the most bankable star, even now.
Fresh Prince.