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[Stuart360]

For an open world game -



Its from a Unity demo made using the HDRP Pipeline, which Indies are saying is very advanced.

For reference, the demo on my PC (I7-6700K, 16GB DDR4 Ram, GTX 980ti) runs at 40-60fps at 1080p with max settings. So its safe to assume that at 4k/30, or especially at 4k/60, this would be pushing next gen consoles HARD.

You can download the demo if you want to try it out, you need Unity 2019 1.0 Beta 7. Both links are at the bottom of this page -

Megacity Metro – Large-Scale Multiplayer Demo | Unity

Learn more about building ambitious multiplayer games using ECS, Unity Cloud, Multiplayer Services, and URP with this competitive action sample that supports 128+ players.

unity.com

Be warned though, it takes an AGE to load, and you will think your PC has frozen. Just leave it until it loads.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Yes, but it also raises the question: are super detailed cities like this just going to be a pain in the ass to navigate?

 

[Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule]

I expect BGE2 to look exactly like that and people not being happy about it.

 

[GamerEDM]

depends is that 10.28 t flops or 12 tflops?

 

[PSYGN]

I would expect better.

 

[Myths]

Im ok with that. ’Im even fine with these at a slightly faster frame rate:



This one uses some form of RT I guess:

 

[Stuart360]

Found a 4k vid running on a 2080ti -




And yeah it struggles to hold 30fps at 4k in some areas. Obviously there will be little optimization in this demo but i think its fair to say that what you are seeing here is probably the pinnacle of what we can expect next gen graphics wise.

 

[darkinstinct]

No. I think visible popups of LOD changes are not acceptable anymore. SSDs will help.

 

[Jigsaah]

For an open world game -



Its from a Unity demo made using the HDRP Pipeline, which Indies are saying is very advanced.

For reference, the demo on my PC (I7-6700K, 16GB DDR4 Ram, GTX 980ti) runs at 40-60fps at 1080p with max settings. So its safe to assume that at 4k/30, or especially at 4k/60, this would be pushing next gen consoles HARD.

You can download the demo if you want to try it out, you need Unity 2019 1.0 Beta 7. Both links are at the bottom of this page -

Megacity Metro – Large-Scale Multiplayer Demo | Unity

Learn more about building ambitious multiplayer games using ECS, Unity Cloud, Multiplayer Services, and URP with this competitive action sample that supports 128+ players.

unity.com

Be warned though, it takes an AGE to load, and you will think your PC has frozen. Just leave it until it loads.

I'd rather expect this and hopefully be pleasantly surprised. Tech demo usually don't pay off the way we hope them too

 

[Coolwhhip]

All in glorious N64 fps.

 

[PlayStaytion]

You know how silly launch games are.

 

[Jigsaah]

looking at that last video...i hope devs prioritize 60 fps minimum which probably means we wouldnt get anything like this.

 

[mango drank]

Aside from the higher density of the geometry on screen, it's hard to tell the difference between that stuff and this gen, in terms of overall image quality. There were massive and obvious jumps in previous gens:

• 6th gen -> 7th gen: huge resolution bump (HD), huge detail bump w/ normal mapping and higher-res textures etc, more geo on screen
• 7th gen -> 8th gen: PBR shading makes stuff look photo-real, more geo on screen
• 8th gen -> 9th gen: RT that no one notices, and ... more geo on screen

Hooray? I'm sure devs will find ways to use the new power to wow us, but dang, the diminishing returns are real. Are there any other big graphical technologies being introduced next gen? RT isn't cutting it.

 

[Stuart360]

No. I think visible popups of LOD changes are not acceptable anymore. SSDs will help.

Thats part of the optimization process. You cant have high level assets going off into infinty, the game would run at 1fps. SSD's are not going to stop that.

 

[Sagii86]

Nothing less than that



Running in real time on a single 2080ti



It's time for devs to step up their game.

 

[VFXVeteran]

For an open world game -



Its from a Unity demo made using the HDRP Pipeline, which Indies are saying is very advanced.

For reference, the demo on my PC (I7-6700K, 16GB DDR4 Ram, GTX 980ti) runs at 40-60fps at 1080p with max settings. So its safe to assume that at 4k/30, or especially at 4k/60, this would be pushing next gen consoles HARD.

You can download the demo if you want to try it out, you need Unity 2019 1.0 Beta 7. Both links are at the bottom of this page -

Megacity Metro – Large-Scale Multiplayer Demo | Unity

Learn more about building ambitious multiplayer games using ECS, Unity Cloud, Multiplayer Services, and URP with this competitive action sample that supports 128+ players.

unity.com

Be warned though, it takes an AGE to load, and you will think your PC has frozen. Just leave it until it loads.

I'll try it and give you some numbers

 

[LordKasual]

I've never, ever wanted a city this big in an RPG, and i never will.

There's only so far you can stretch good level design, and sprawling cities are rarely examples of good level design.

Hell, just thinking about the amount of "?" quest popups in a super massive RPG/MMORPG city just gives me gross anxiety

 

[VFXVeteran]

Before we all veer off on a tangent discussing what is viable for next-gen, can we all agree that we would like to see this kind of graphics in ACTUAL GAMEPLAY? Cinematics has been a thorn in my side when discussing graphics tech to people. They think that the cinematics is what rates the game's graphics tech. It's not. It's the actual in-game graphics that should be weighted.

 

[n0razi]

Nothing about that video seems fancy to me unless you can actually go into each apartment, etc...

 

[VFXVeteran]

Im ok with that. ’Im even fine with these at a slightly faster frame rate:



This one uses some form of RT I guess:

Not a fan of the mods since all of them are 2D space solutions. Framerate is low as well.

 

[Stuart360]

I've never, ever wanted a city this big in an RPG, and i never will.

There's only so far you can stretch good level design, and sprawling cities are rarely examples of good level design.

Hell, just thinking about the amount of "?" quest popups in a super massive RPG/MMORPG city just gives me gross anxiety

Well i was talking more about the level of graphics, not if you would actually like to see this as a game next gen.

 

[GHG]

I'd be happy with this to be honest:



In particular the detailed physics and destruction on show.

That's where we really need to see some big steps forward, in the areas of physics and AI. I'm of the opinion that the graphics these days are mostly more than good enough.

 

[Grinchy]

Give me way more deformation and physical interaction and you can give me current gen visuals for all I care.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I am happy with a lot of current gen games just give me more frames preferably 120 fps.

 

[LordKasual]

Well i was talking more about the level of graphics, not if you would actually like to see this as a game next gen.

Oh, i forgot to put that part in

I mean i guess? I guess it's alot of geometry but it's mostly just eye noise, nothing really grabs you in that demo.

I'm not really sure how this would look in a more measured creation so i can't really say, but i'd like to kneejerk and say "not really"

 

[Zero707]

i think all i want from next gen games is better facial expression

 

[PocoJoe]

Give me 1080p VRS and 2x current gen "graphics" + SSD+Real 3D audio and im happy

 

[Azelover]

It's very detailed, but it doesn't really shake my world.

I'm not paying $500 or so for just that.

 

[Stuart360]

It's very detailed, but it doesn't really shake my world.

I'm not paying $500 or so for just that.

To be honest, it blew me away. Its more impressive actually seeing it on your screen, and it very much reminded me of Mega City One from the Dredd movie, and with the lighting, it really didnt look much worse.
I'm sensing that we really should keep expectations in check for next gen games, if some of you are not impressed by this.

 

[Sosokrates]

If its just lots of flying cars and big buildings for the sake of it, no.
It kind of reminds me of ac unity with there big crowds, it make look impressive, but it isn't when they are all no more smarter then npcs from GTA3.
I guess it would be needed for a blade runner style game, but lots of simple models just does not impress me that much.

 

[Coolwhhip]

I'd be happy with this to be honest:



In particular the detailed physics and destruction on show.

That's where we really need to see some big steps forward, in the areas of physics and AI. I'm of the opinion that the graphics these days are mostly more than good enough.

Isn't this more about cool angles? Put a boring behind the car camera on that video and it's pretty meh.

 

[The Infectious Paradox]

I'm fine with smaller more dense cities with enterable buildings. I feel like most people want this.

 

[Sosokrates]

Large scale is only impressive if it has depth.

Which is why I dont like just cause and ubisoft open world games.

 

[synchronicity]

I still love PS1 graphics, so I'm good.

 

[Danjin44]

It looks too busy for my taste, for me good art direction beats out hight tech any day.

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

I will be more than happy if we knew more about the launch games for both. But yes OP, it's a great tech demo and i'd love to get something like that for next gen... in the 1st year? 2nd?3rd?

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I'm honestly fine with the current level of graphics and would be more than pleased if devs just put the horsepower into increasing resolution, framerate and other stuff like AI and physics simulation/destructability.

 

[GHG]

Isn't this more about cool angles? Put a boring behind the car camera on that video and it's pretty meh.

No, you can clearly see the particle and dust effects are a step above anything we get today in off-road racing games. The accuracy of the damage deformation for the vehicles is also something we don't see today.

This is the current "gold standard" for damage deformation in an off-road racing game today:



Mudrunner is the current gold standard for terrain deformation:



I think we should reach a point next gen where what is displayed in that original motorstorm trailer is finally possible in high resolutions at a playable framerate. It only took 15 years

 

[Myths]

Not a fan of the mods since all of them are 2D space solutions. Framerate is low as well.

The FPS could easily skyrocket with the adjustment of AA (it’s at 4x), and as it already is it’s running at 4K. It’s overkill if nothing else.

 

[stranno]

Unity in a nutshell.

Promise:

Reality:

Of course there are quite a lot masterpieces in Unity, but 99,9999999999999% of Unity games go like this.

 

[Bonfires Down]

I don't care that much really. I will certainly be happy to see the improved visuals and physics, but I go back and play 3D games from the 90s no problem.

 

[sonomamashine]

I'm hoping for this





This is real time

 

[RedVIper]

I don't really care about image quality anymore. I want devs to focus on AI and Physics and stable performance.

 

[Saber]

But at what cost?

Oh yeah...fps.

I'm cool with this gen though. No need for ultra realistic graphics. Realism kills the games imo.

 

[Sagii86]

I'm hoping for this





This is real time

Exactly the reason why I think the hellblade 2 trailer wasn't far from real-time, considering the specs of the Series X.

 

[sonomamashine]

Exactly the reason why I think the hellblade 2 trailer wasn't far from real-time, considering the specs of the Series X.

To get more accurate, those i posted most likely on a 2080TI, you just have to imagine how it would be on a 2080Super = Xbox series X.

 

[brap]

Same shitty games with a new coat of paint.

 

[sonomamashine]

Same shitty games with a new coat of paint.

WTF, staying at home got you looking like a weeaboo .

 

[Sagii86]

To get more accurate, those i posted most likely on a 2080TI, you just have to imagine how it would be on a 2080Super = Xbox series X.

The series X GPU is more powerful than the 2080 super. somewhere in between the two.

 

[Diddy X]

They say it runs on a single 1080ti but it seems pretty dead, maybe for PS6 we will have actual games looking like this.