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[Lord Error]

Try it in 480p, just for kicks, if it renders in that natively maybe the framerate will become better.

 

[TemplaerDude]

sounds like you forgot to switch that "secret power" lever on the back of your console to the "super secret omgz they'll never know" position.

 

[Madman]

i expect lair to be gone completely from the list war by the time of tomorrow.

and I expect heavenly sword to follow suit.

notice how LAIR is suddenly gone from the listing war all of sudden these days :lol

i expect heavenly sword to quickly follow

Yeah, we get it.

 

[pswii60]

How is the music and presentation then? Somewhat interesting at least?

If you ignore the framerate difficulties (believe me, I know how hard that can be), does the game itself seem to be any good?

Yeah, TTP would you agreed with the EGM review or the imaginary Edge review?

 

[jetjevons]

Yeah, we get it.

I think it's a bit early to declare either game D.O.A.

 

[Nolan.]

i expect lair to be gone completely from the list war by the time of tomorrow.

and I expect heavenly sword to follow suit.

Well even if it was rubbish, rubbish games has it's fans. I know people who still swear by N3.

 

[dark10x]

i expect lair to be gone completely from the list war by the time of tomorrow.

and I expect heavenly sword to follow suit.

People have played HS and enjoyed it, however (the demo). I don't believe it will suffer the same fate.

 

[JudgeN]

I"m going out on a limp here but if the frame rate is corrected in , then the game will be a good right?

EGM was wrong confirmed :lol

 

[pswii60]

i expect lair to be gone completely from the list war by the time of tomorrow.

and I expect heavenly sword to follow suit.

Sony weren't pushing Lair at all at E3, and as a result I assumed the game had taken a turn for the worse and I might be right. But Heavenly Sword is getting pushed BIG time by Sony. They have a lot of faith in that game, and I have no doubt that it'll do well, both critically and commercially.

 

[nelsonroyale]

i expect lair to be gone completely from the list war by the time of tomorrow.

and I expect heavenly sword to follow suit.

Have you even played Heavenly Sword? Would you say the same for TH and LO since they had poor showings? All these games have some ambition and have a good chance of being good I would say. HS has had consistantly good previews.

Anyway back to Lair, hrm....I was actually anticipating this game, but if its a dud, then so be it

 

[Haunted]

if the Frame rate proves to be all over the place as reported by TTP can we accuse Play of writing what their readers want to hear/read instead of the truth?

fixed and yes. I'm paging Anihawk for support, just in case Dave Halverson comes in here to refute.

 

[VonGak!]

To be fair, with all the stuff going on in this game I'd say likelihood of being fill limited are pretty low anyway. That said I'd still like some confirmation of no downscaling, I don't recall any interviews/PR mentioning it.

I'm googling like my life depends on it Not for a confirmation for no downscaling but for Lair having been shown to the press in 720p before 1080p.

Quick question, can the infamous RSX scaler do a straight downscale of 1080p to 720p? I mean doesn't it "only" do horizontal scaling.

 

[steve]

Don't stress about it. I heard they are only using like 30 or 40% of the Ps3 power, so it should use the rest in the final game and the FPS should sky rocket.

Hey Bob, if we knew we were only using 30% of the hardware's POWAH, why didn't we jack it up a bit and take full advantage of it?

Meh... 30% is good enough, let's go get some burgers.

God I hate posts that make it seem like a piece of hardware has a specific set limit, and there's a bar graph that rises to show you when you've "maxed" it out. /rolleyes

 

[Valkyr Junkie]

All PS3 games are rendered at 720p by default, if you run on a SDTV, I'm pretty sure it downscales the 720p signal.
The only time it won't render at 720p is when the game supports 1080p and you have a 1080p TV.

Wrong & wrong.

TTP. Check and verify with your TV's info button on what resolution the PS3 is sending to your TV. Up to this point every 1080p-native game has run in 1080i on TVs like yours.

 

[TTP]

How is the music and presentation then? Somewhat interesting at least?

Top notch.

If you ignore the framerate difficulties (believe me, I know how hard that can be), does the game itself seem to be any good?

It's decent. Albeit frequently interrupted, missions are very hectic and drag you about between air and ground attacks. I like this. What I dont like is not actually understanding what's going on around me. For example. The mantas level. There are like 6 of those huge beasts slowly flying around. Dragons are attacking the mantas. They are coming from everywhere. You go defend a manta of your choice. Burn some dragons. Cut scene of a manta exploding somewhere. You go "uh?" for a sec but you are back in the game. Mess around you. "They are attacking us!". You go "Where?" "Who?" "How?". But you keep going and attack a random dragons squadron approaching a manta. You kill all of them. Manta is safe. Cut scene of a manta exploding somewhere. You go "uh?" for a sec but you are back in the game. Leading towarda another manta. You... Cut scene of a manta exploding somewhere. You go "uh? WTF?" for a sec but you are back in the game. So now you go searching for the next... Cut scene of a manta exploding somewhere. You go "uh? WTF? Seriously now" for a sec but you are back in the game. So, the mantas. Right. Let's see... Cut scene of a manta exploding somewhere. You go "uh? WTF? Seriously now what did I do wrong?" for a sec and then it's game over.

It can basically get very confusing a times. A kind of I-NEED-A-****ING-MAP degree of confusion if u get what I mean. You just have this arrow pointing you towards your objective, but in more open missions like the one I described you gotta look around yourself and decide where to go. But then again, this confusion is mostly due to the lack of visual clarity.

 

[sebthelobster]

I think it's a bit early to declare either game D.O.A.

oh god no, both games will go on to sell tons.

we are dealing with people who spent 600 dollars for a poorly launched console, they cannot possibly bend over is a more comprimising position.

look at the lair thread and look at how many people stating it publicly that they will buy the game just for the fact of it being a ps3 exclusive, you know this game will sell on mindless, brainless, bending-over-for-sony-and-telling-myself-that-i-like-it fanboyism alone.

dont you worry about sales now, thats nintendo fan's job

 

[TTP]

Wrong & wrong.

TTP. Check and verify with your TV's info button on what resolution the PS3 is sending to your TV. Up to this point every 1080p-native game has run in 1080i on TVs like yours.

720p

My PS3 is set NOT to output 1080i btw. Only 720p is checked.

 

[kaching]

Lair has been gold for a while so there's a good chance that it is almost final.

A week ago is a "a while"?

Play rates on a scale from 8-10.

Someone must have forgotten to tell this reviewer...

http://www.playmagazine.com/index.php?fuseaction=SiteMain.showGamePage&Game_ID=212

http://www.playmagazine.com/index.php?fuseaction=SiteMain.showGamePage&Game_ID=610

 

[JB1981]

God the game sounds like such shit.

 

[sebthelobster]

God the game sounds like such shit.

20 million dollars worth of shit. It even comes in shades of brown

looks golden tho

 

[watership]

Yeah, TTP would you agreed with the EGM review or the imaginary Edge review?

So the 9 out of EDGE hasn't been confirmed? It's so hard to tell on various boards with all the newspeak going around.

"We've always been at war with Eastasia."

 

[haunts]

TTP, thanks for the impressions.

So funny to see people practically praying that this game turns out good and/or they make improvements to the game before it ships. :lol

Suck it up guys, its a game about flying around on a dragon. What did you expect? Were any of you around for the 1 batch of PS2 games? haha.

 

[pswii60]

I can't wait until we get some more reviews of this to shut everyone up.

TTP, give us a score when you've finished it.

 

[Madman]

God the game sounds like such shit.

Ehhh. I seem to recall your Warhawk reactions at this time. Given them, you'll be calling this GOTY before the thread is over.

 

[gregor7777]

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LOL

Lair's taken a beating lately.....I think it will end up being a solid game, but I think that just too much pressure was built up to be a system seller type game for them to handle.

 

[Dante]

TTP, thanks for the impressions.

So funny to see people practically praying that this game turns out good and/or they make improvements to the game before it ships. :lol

Suck it up guys, its a game about flying around on a dragon. What did you expect? Were any of you around for the 1 batch of PS2 games? haha.

Hoping a dragon game with great visuals turns out good?

Crazy bunch these people are.

 

[VonGak!]

I"m going out on a limp here but if the frame rate is corrected in , then the game will be a good right?

EGM was wrong confirmed :lol

TTP could also just be more agile than the average American game reporter.

Spoiler

He has been doped by Michele Ferrari I tell you

 

[pswii60]

20 million dollars worth of shit. It even comes in shades of brown

looks golden tho

Are you still here? Enjoy it while you can. The sauna's opening soon.

 

[Bebpo]

oh god no, both games will go on to sell tons.

we are dealing with people who spent 600 dollars for a poorly launched console, they cannot possibly bend over is a more comprimising position.

look at the lair thread and look at how many people stating it publicly that they will buy the game just for the fact of it being a ps3 exclusive, you know this game will sell on mindless, brainless, bending-over-for-sony-and-telling-myself-that-i-like-it fanboyism alone.

dont you worry about sales now, thats nintendo fan's job

@_@

Lair sucking has nothing to do with the issue of PS3 being a good system.

 

[TTP]

I can't wait until we get some more reviews of this to shut everyone up.

TTP, give us a score when you've finished it.

Will do... later

Games doesnt seem very hard. When you die you dont start from the beginning so it's all good. You just keep going.

 

[Tiktaalik]

Ouch sounds pretty crappy. One thing to consider though for folks who are hoping Liar will turn out better than the current crop of impressions we've been hearing is that framerate is one of the very last things to be optimized.

Then again if this is review code isn't it the same as the retail copy pretty much?

 

[PolyGone]

For example. The mantas level. There are like 6 of those huge beasts slowly flying around. Dragons are attacking the mantas. They are coming from everywhere. You go defend a manta of your choice. Burn some dragons. Cut scene of a manta exploding somewhere. You go "uh?" for a sec but you are back in the game. Mess around you. "They are attacking us!". You go "Where?" "Who?" "How?". But you keep going and attack a random dragons squadron approaching a manta. You kill all of them. Manta is safe. Cut scene of a manta exploding somewhere. You go "uh?" for a sec but you are back in the game. Leading towarda another manta. You... Cut scene of a manta exploding somewhere. You go "uh? WTF?" for a sec but you are back in the game. So now you go searching for the next... Cut scene of a manta exploding somewhere. You go "uh? WTF? Seriously now" for a sec but you are back in the game. So, the mantas. Right. Let's see... Cut scene of a manta exploding somewhere. You go "uh? WTF? Seriously now what did I do wrong?" for a sec and then it's game over.

man...

that sounds almost identical to the "save the freighters" levels in RS, just with dragons instead of tie fighters and mantas instead of rebel ships... :/

 

[Barnolde]

@_@

Lair sucking has nothing to do with the issue of PS3 being a good system.

I dunno, he made a convincing argument. Mentioned bending over for Sony, poor launch, $600, fanboyism. Seems legit to me.

 

[nelsonroyale]

TTP, thanks for the impressions.

So funny to see people practically praying that this game turns out good and/or they make improvements to the game before it ships. :lol

Suck it up guys, its a game about flying around on a dragon. What did you expect? Were any of you around for the 1 batch of PS2 games? haha.

eh, I thought it looked pretty epic and had some nice visuals, so I was interested...I like to form my own opinion though, based on some consensus...I think its sounding like a bit of a bomb, but I would like to see some more opinions first...

 

[pswii60]

Will do... later

Games doesnt seem very hard. When you die you dont start from the beginning so it's all good. You just keep going.

Although that would probably make the game seem shorter, it really pissed me off in Rainbow Six Vegas when I f***ed up a mission and had to backtrack all the time.

And don't get me started on Ninja Gaiden.

 

[Nolan.]

Did Sony spend much on Lair at all though.?

 

[TTP]

Ouch sounds pretty crappy. One thing to consider though for folks who are hoping Liar will turn out better than the current crop of impressions we've been hearing is that framerate is one of the very last things to be optimized.

Then again if this is review code isn't it the same as the retail copy pretty much?

As I said, this is a preview copy. It might be a review copy "in disguise". Let's wait for the retail code for the final judgement.

I still have mine preordered.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

man...

that sounds almost identical to the "save the freighters" levels in RS, just with dragons instead of tie fighters and mantas instead of rebel ships... :/

Agreed.

Thanks TTP. You just saved me $60 and guaranteed this will be rental only.

 

[karasu]

oh god no, both games will go on to sell tons.

we are dealing with people who spent 600 dollars for a poorly launched console, they cannot possibly bend over is a more comprimising position.

look at the lair thread and look at how many people stating it publicly that they will buy the game just for the fact of it being a ps3 exclusive, you know this game will sell on mindless, brainless, bending-over-for-sony-and-telling-myself-that-i-like-it fanboyism alone.

dont you worry about sales now, thats nintendo fan's job

Please shut your broke ass up.

 

[pswii60]

As I said, this is a preview copy. It's might be a review copy "in disguise". Let's wait for the retail code for the final judgement.

I still have mine preordered.

Despite the patchy framerate, is it the 'best looking game ever'? Or at least technically?

Julian Eggebrecht made out that it was technically far superior to any other game we've seen yet due to the meshing. Also, are the textures pin-sharp when you go up to the buildings, or land on the ground? The videos make it seem like this, but obviously when you play a game yourself on your HDTV it can be a different story.

 

[methane47]

So has Speevy gotten a tag yet?

Speevy
[URL="ww.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7263254"]Happiest Man in the world[/URL]
Today 01:20 PM

 

[RubberJohnny]

It can basically get very confusing a times. A kind of I-NEED-A-****ING-MAP degree of confusion if u get what I mean. You just have this arrow pointing you towards your objective, but in more open missions like the one I described you gotta look around yourself and decide where to go. But then again, this confusion is mostly due to the lack of visual clarity.

It sounds EXACTLY like Rogue Squadron. I could never get past the defending missions in that game.

 

[kaching]

Let's wait for the retail code for the final judgement.

If we're withholding judgment, why the more attention-grabbing tactic of a new topic rather than simply put these impressions in the official thread for the game?

 

[pswii60]

So has Speevy gotten a tag yet?

Speevy
[URL="ww.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7263254"]Happiest Man in the world[/URL]
Today 01:20 PM

I think that's a bit unfair on Speevy. Xbot or not, he was praising Heavenly Sword to the max yesterday.

 

[tanod]

This puts the game solidly in the "demo/rent first or no buy" category, unless every review that comes out from now on puts it at a 9 or above.

Sounds like this game, might have needed another delay.

 

[Barnolde]

I think that's a bit unfair on Speevy. Xbot or not, he was praising Heavenly Sword to the max yesterday.

Yeah, I wonder why

 

[Firewire]

...

 

[Count Dookkake]

So Lair is fair?

 

[Draft]

If we're withholding judgment, why the more attention-grabbing tactic of a new topic rather than simply put these impressions in the official thread for the game?

To grab attention for his withholding of judgment.

 

[sonycowboy]

Ok WTF! are they not banning the junior troll's anymore?

Quoting trolling posts merely serves to keep them alive. Let the mods do their jobs and you worry about your end of the discussion.

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