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[WSJ] Trump Has Discussed Starting a New Political Party

Maiden Voyage

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President Trump has talked in recent days with associates about forming a new political party, according to people familiar with the matter, an effort to exert continued influence after he leaves the White House.

Mr. Trump discussed the matter with several aides and other people close to him last week, the people said. The president said he would want to call the new party the “Patriot Party,” the people said.

Mr. Trump has feuded in recent days with several Republican leaders including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.), who on Tuesday said Mr. Trump deserved blame for provoking the deadly Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol. Polls show Mr. Trump retains strong support among rank-and-file GOP voters.

The White House declined to comment.

It’s unclear how serious Mr. Trump is about starting a new party, which would require a significant investment of time and resources. The president has a large base of supporters, some of whom were not deeply involved in Republican politics prior to Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign.

Third parties have typically failed to draw enough support to play a major role in national elections. Any effort to start a new party would likely face intense opposition from Republican party officials, who would chafe at the thought of Mr. Trump peeling off support from GOP candidates.

 

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In all seriousness this would create a radical shift in American politics, and would fracture the GOP and guarantee a Democratic controlled Federal Government for a while. Personally I don't want to see it. While I voted Democrat this election, I believe there is a place for conservative politics in government period. There needs to be a right in order to be a left, and they need to keep each other in check.

My hope is that the GOP reinvents itself away from Trump rhetoric and incendiary positions and moves closer to the center, particularly on social issues.
 

MrMephistoX

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By all means, please proceed

This will split further republican votes. Not sure it is a wise move.
Third parties never really go anywhere and we need one so I’m all for it. My biggest hope would be for the evangelicals and nuts to flock to him and then the GOP can reorganize without social issues and illegal immigration dragging them down. Presidential elections may go Dem but it could actually benefit republicans in liberal states if they can focus on finance.
 
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I wouldn't be shocked to see this happen. I wonder if he actually goes through and does this, will the progressives in the Democratic party look at the establishment Dem's and just say "you don't represent what we do". AOC has already said that her and BIden would be different parties in most other countries. What's to stop her from taking it to the next level.

I'm all for it. America needs more than two political parties.
 

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I don't have a problem with this, really. I suspect the Democratic side has a split coming as well. The current system has each party defining themselves by what the other party isn't as has a lot of incompatible camps aligned together that don't mesh. The same party has Muslims and LGBTQ members in the same tent, for example.
 
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Hey, I'm down. Trumps ideals are essentially populist conservative, and if that's the platform, then we'll see people pushing those ideals without being as abrasive as Trump himself. This seems like the best case scenario for actually pushing back against corporate control of day to day life while maintaining our core ideals
 
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It would probably be a smart move financially and for building the legacy that he so dearly values. He'd also be able to get some really good revenge on the Republicans he sees as having betrayed them.
 

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This is the kind of thing that might motivate Republicans to impeach, particularly the McConnell types who are all about the team.

Fracturing the right would be a great gift to Democrats and corporatists who are likely to align themselves against whatever fragile coalition remains.

We were talking about Andrew Johnson parallels in one of the other threads and this sure feels like another; Johnson attempted to start a new party and ended up failing and unable to secure a nomination in either of the existing ones.
 
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Absolutely YES. By fracturing the parties Democrats would gain control briefly, but populist platforms would gain traction as the parties jostle for more votes, instead of this shitty pro-China duopoly that's ruled for the last couple decades.
 
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This is the kind of thing that might motivate Republicans to impeach, particularly the McConnell types who are all about the team.

Fracturing the right would be a great gift to Democrats and corporatists who are likely to align themselves against whatever fragile coalition remains.
While this would almost assuredly hand democrats the next few elections, I see this as the best move to curtail corporate power. The populists on the left have shown an unwillingness to decouple from the crony establishment players within their party, and look what it's got them. They get thrown a bone in the form of social issues, but power keeps coalescing in the corporate sphere. Who cares if a handful of companies can essentially control what legislation gets passed, so long as their Twitter accounts put out the trans flag in June, right?

I'm willing to hand Democrats the next two decades of elections if it means in the end we have people in government willing to get some of that power back in the hands of the people.
 

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This is the kind of thing that might motivate Republicans to impeach, particularly the McConnell types who are all about the team.

Fracturing the right would be a great gift to Democrats and corporatists who are likely to align themselves against whatever fragile coalition remains.

We were talking about Andrew Johnson parallels in one of the other threads and this sure feels like another; Johnson attempted to start a new party and ended up failing and unable to secure a nomination in either of the existing ones.

The biggest chance to fracture the two party system I've seen in my lifetime. I hope he gives it a shot, even if it just means the Republican party taking a huge hit and figuring out how to realign itself.
 

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This is what I think will happen an the votes will split,

Socialist: Heavy LGBTQ UBI, loves foreign coming to America, wants everything to be fair. Silence people who don’t support them

Patriot: Wild proud boyz basically the opposite of socialist. Fights for freedom and values.

Democrats: Moderate party, includes a mix of different races and policies, gives things to the people, but raises taxes. Big tech support. Best party at selling lies

Republicans: less spending on things we don’t need, better for people who want the American dream of getting rich. Best party for Middle class/upper middle. Values free speech.

In the future you will probably see more black/Mexican turn republicans due to being sold on lies, black trump/republican support is up and will continue to rise. Also black people and censorship doesn’t mix.
 

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How would three way split work in case of 2 right-wing parties in red states in Senate races?
Let's say Dems - Reps - Patriots get 40 - 30 - 30 split, Democrats would normally loose but here they have plurality and no one has majority.

Would, in such a case, Democrats get 2 Senate seats, or would there be talks for coallisions on local / state level (maybe for split Senate seats)?
 
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Great idea, do it!
 

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How would three way split work in case of 2 right-wing parties in red states in Senate races?
Let's say Dems - Reps - Patriots get 40 - 30 - 30 split, Democrats would normally loose but here they have plurality and no one has majority.

Would, in such a case, Democrats get 2 Senate seats, or would there be talks for coallisions on local / state level (maybe for split Senate seats)?
I think that's the true plan, it's not to win but it's to say fuck you to the party that betrayed him.
 
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Perhaps this would be the ultimate revenge against Republicans who didn't support his coup. Destroy their party.
 

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Why would this destroy the Republican Party? it’s the democrat who struggle to win house seats and barely gained control of the senate.

A third party like this is just another Conservative party running against democrats. All they would have to flip a few more seats for conservative policy to control the house, and senate. Gridlocking the dems with divided government.

An energized trump party that drives more conservatives to the polls along with regular republican voters is not good for Biden and the democrats.
 

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Why would this destroy the Republican Party? it’s the democrat who struggle to win house seats and barely gained control of the senate.

A third party like this is just another Conservative party running against democrats. All they would have to flip a few more seats for conservative policy to control the house, and senate. Gridlocking the dems with divided government.

An energized trump party that drives more conservatives to the polls along with regular republican voters is not good for Biden and the democrats.
They aren't conservatives. They're whatever trump wants them to be. Trump can say they're now Canadian and now they are Canadian. Power of imagination.
 
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Grift Party

Perfect way to find many donors to pay off his debts.
It isn't about him. Its about the ideals he represents. Attempting to change the republican party from within was a mistake, and the establishment players have shown their true colors as of late. If you build your replacement from the ground up you dont have to worry about lingering rot
 

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Why would this destroy the Republican Party? it’s the democrat who struggle to win house seats and barely gained control of the senate.

A third party like this is just another Conservative party running against democrats. All they would have to flip a few more seats for conservative policy to control the house, and senate. Gridlocking the dems with divided government.

An energized trump party that drives more conservatives to the polls along with regular republican voters is not good for Biden and the democrats.
They could form coalitions for Congress, but it'd still split votes three ways for the Presidential election.
 
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Why would this destroy the Republican Party? it’s the democrat who struggle to win house seats and barely gained control of the senate.

A third party like this is just another Conservative party running against democrats. All they would have to flip a few more seats for conservative policy to control the house, and senate. Gridlocking the dems with divided government.

An energized trump party that drives more conservatives to the polls along with regular republican voters is not good for Biden and the democrats.

It would split the Republican/conservative vote in a way that means the only chance either party has of getting a nominee elected to president or senate would be the Democrat party also splitting into two different parties. That, or tactically picking and choosing their battles, but that would mean one of them agreeing not to run for president.

So I totally think he should do it.
 

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They could form coalitions for Congress, but it'd still split votes three ways for the Presidential election.
the presidential election is 4 years away, and the intense political polarization is not going to give any air for a 3rd party candidate to breathe . A coalition will just confirm that trump and his populist base will still have a voice, and will be able to drive out the vote, which is really the only way to win.

Not forming a coalition, and telling 74 million republicans to fuck off and stay home, will guarantee republicans will lose 2024 anyway. They don't have a choice but to form a coalition, much like the Democrats had no choice but to cater to the far left progressive/socialist wing of their party
It would split the Republican/conservative vote in a way that means the only chance either party has of getting a nominee elected to president or senate would be the Democrat party also splitting into two different parties. That, or tactically picking and choosing their battles, but that would mean one of them agreeing not to run for president.

So I totally think he should do it.
and how did the tea party split the republican party back in 2014 and 2016

Did republicans not win those years?

It's about turnout. It's always about turnout
 
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This is what I think will happen an the votes will split,

Socialist: Heavy LGBTQ UBI, loves foreign coming to America, wants everything to be fair. Silence people who don’t support them

Patriot: Wild proud boyz basically the opposite of socialist. Fights for freedom and values.

Democrats: Moderate party, includes a mix of different races and policies, gives things to the people, but raises taxes. Big tech support. Best party at selling lies

Republicans: less spending on things we don’t need, better for people who want the American dream of getting rich. Best party for Middle class/upper middle. Values free speech.

In the future you will probably see more black/Mexican turn republicans due to being sold on lies, black trump/republican support is up and will continue to rise. Also black people and censorship doesn’t mix.


Is this a fucking joke? Have we forgotten so quickly because of Trump that Republicans are the party of neocon warmongers that wasted trillions on wars and are responsible for hundreds of thousands of innocents murdered by their war crimes? Less spending? Maybe for the working class that needs it, definitely not for their corporate buddies that were heftily compensated for their bribes through war, subsidies and tax cuts.
 

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Is this a fucking joke? Have we forgotten so quickly because of Trump that Republicans are the party of neocon warmongers that wasted trillions on wars and are responsible for hundreds of thousands of innocents murdered by their war crimes? Less spending? Maybe for the working class that needs it, definitely not for their corporate buddies that were heftily compensated for their bribes through war, subsidies and tax cuts.
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