And the games? All that shit means nothing to me if I don't have great games. 360 had but mostly from 3rd party devs.
A massive amount of people will say PS1 and PS2 or one of the early nintendos or Sega consoles was their favorite console ever and they had none of that superfluous stuff.
All a distraction from what we are meant to be doing on a console.
It did. The shock-factor came and went quickly and I know this based on social media engagement numbers and being friends with what many would call, the "casual gamer."
It's like the internet blew up when Sony did the controller reveal, felt like an event almost.
The Series X Reveal itself didn't do so hot engagement wise and I think the name has somewhat to do with it. The whole "X" is too similar to "one x" all around it's just bad vibes. Should be trying to start fresh.
And the games? All that shit means nothing to me if I don't have great games. 360 had but mostly from 3rd party devs.
A massive amount of people will say PS1 and PS2 or one of the early nintendos or Sega consoles was their favorite console ever and they had none of that superfluous stuff.
All a distraction from what we are meant to be doing on a console.
Cool but why not just say that to begin with? You brought up all these MS negatives and when someone counterpoints with all the positives you switch tact to “but the games”. Sony trolls ree-ing up every thread with “but the games” is pointless because it’s a known fact. We get it, you’re disappointed with their output this gen. Either wait and see what they reveal for this upcoming gen and judge that or stfu. You’re adding nothing of value to the conversation.
OT, majority are going to come into this thread and post sales metrics, cause I mean, dur, it’s peak GAF wartime. MS are getting a lot better at a lot of things though, even if you’re a Sony fan you should want this cause it only pushes competition further.
It did. The shock-factor came and went quickly and I know this based on social media engagement numbers and being friends with what many would call, the "casual gamer."
It's like the internet blew up when Sony did the controller reveal, felt like an event almost.
The Series X Reveal itself didn't do so hot engagement wise and I think the name has somewhat to do with it. The whole "X" is too similar to "one x" all around it's just bad vibes. Should be trying to start fresh.
Last time i checked XsX info has millions of social media hits and views of xsx videos, many videos and articles have been made about the xsx.
Just because PS5 has more, does not mean xsx reveils just faded away.
Not trying to be difficult or contrarian here, just wondering why this particular Halo at this particular time is going to move the needle more than the last few releases have.
If you look at the big movers and shakers are in the FPS genre these days I'm really not sure where Halo fits in anymore. Things have moved on a lot since the mid 2000's when the franchise was at its peak popularity. Not to suggest there isn't an audience for it, just that it seems to me to be addressing a different crowd than what today's top titles are.
Like I said, it feels like its another case of Xbox preaching to the choir.
Not trying to be difficult or contrarian here, just wondering why this particular Halo at this particular time is going to move the needle more than the last few releases have.
If you look at the big movers and shakers are in the FPS genre these days I'm really not sure where Halo fits in anymore. Things have moved on a lot since the mid 2000's when the franchise was at its peak popularity. Not to suggest there isn't an audience for it, just that it seems to me to be addressing a different crowd than what today's top titles are.
Like I said, it feels like its another case of Xbox preaching to the choir.
I think MS is in a great position going into next gen. Will that mean they do well? IDK, we will see. But I think its pretty objective to say that have a great buzz right now. All they gotta do is deliver.
Microsoft has been known for making very good PC gamepads and encarta. They didnt pioneer most of what you claim at all. Achievements are consumer friendly, how?
Let me add some more pioneering features done by Microsoft
- pissing off Mac Fans by acquiring Bungie and their mac game
- ubigate? did we forget mircosoftogato? and their doctored halo 2 footage
- PAID online gaming, when literally everyone had it for free
- moneyhatting some of the sega games like Shenume 2
- moneyhatting most pc games from morrowind to kotor, ninja gaiden
- dvd dongle for an extra $50
- over $5billion losses (fat xbox, in 5years)
- riping off PS2 Eye Toy Kinetic for their Kinect 360 naming
- most likely sniffing data from their users since kinect 360
- Original 360 defect rate was 68 per cent
- $1billion repair (360), maybe even more
- sony paid for microsofts 360 cpu , 2nd link, 3rd link
- kinect years
- kinect plays an intricate role in xbone, "you can not simply switch it off" - Nelson
- fake ass kinect techdemos Peter Molyneux´s and others
- microsoft major debacle XBoX One reveal, DRM, TV, Spoarts
- "pristine VR! and never seen HQ pixels!"
- parity clause still a thing
- Microsoft and Machinima paying youtubers to promote Xbone
- shitty long installation (disc)
- broken elite controllers v1 and v2
- PAID F2P games
- PAID online for non gaming apps like netflix
- Halo 5 controversy, removing of said clips (youtube channel)
- the whole cross play was just a farçe,
- more to come ...
I actually have a LOT of faith in Ninja Theory in particular; they had arguably the most impressive early-gen PS3 title in Heavenly Sword, actually, and right now out of all revealed next-gen games the two I'm looking most forward to are Hellbalde 2 & Project Mara, both incidentally NT games. With the right budget and maybe some team expansion, they could be the next Naughty Dog, hell maybe even more.
But I also get what icerock is saying; we need to see MS do more with IPs besides the usual Forza, Halo and Gears. Having them as tentpoles isn't an issue but bringing back some fan-favorite older IPs and creating new epic IPs is just as important. And hopefully this time, they stick with them. Games like Sunset Overdrive should've gotten at least one sequel, but never happened. Same with Ryse, and even Recore. We've "only" gotten an Ori sequel 5 years later, which tbf isn't any bigger a gap than say the typical Mario platformer sequel, but I think Mario can get away with those gaps better since they always feature him in other non-mainline platformers in-between those big releases, so they retain mindshare that way.
Personally what I want from MS next-gen in terms of new IPs and reboots:
-A Ryse sequel
-A Gunvalkyrie remake or reboot (they'd have to work with SEGA on that since SEGA owns the IP)
-New MechWarrior
-Some new AAA JRPG (SEGA again; since they're already doing PSO2 western release, why not a Phantasy Star 5?)
-Blinx 3 (don't laugh)
-A Lost Planet revival with Capcom
-Jet Force Gemini remake (original game had potential not realized due to N64 limitations)
..those are the main ones for me. Other stuff like Fable reboot, Perfect Dark etc. are practically a given so no need to mention them, though I look forward a lot to those as well.
Microsoft has been known for making very good PC gamepads and encarta. They didnt pioneer most of what you claim at all. Achievements are consumer friendly, how?
Let me add some more pioneering features done by Microsoft
- pissing off Mac Fans by acquiring Bungie and their mac game
- ubigate? did we forget mircosoftogato? and their doctored halo 2 footage
- PAID online gaming, when literally everyone had it for free
- moneyhatting some of the sega games like Shenume 2
- moneyhatting most pc games from morrowind to kotor, ninja gaiden
- dvd dongle for an extra $50
- over $5billion losses (fat xbox, in 5years)
- riping off PS2 Eye Toy Kinetic for their Kinect 360 naming
- most likely sniffing data from their users since kinect 360
- Original 360 defect rate was 68 per cent
- $1billion repair (360), maybe even more
- sony paid for microsofts 360 cpu , 2nd link, 3rd link
- kinect years
- kinect plays an intricate role in xbone, "you can not simply switch it off" - Nelson
- fake ass kinect techdemos Peter Molyneux´s and others
- microsoft major debacle XBoX One reveal, DRM, TV, Spoarts
- "pristine VR! and never seen HQ pixels!"
- parity clause still a thing
- Microsoft and Machinima paying youtubers to promote Xbone
- shitty long installation (disc)
- broken elite controllers v1 and v2
- PAID F2P games
- PAID online for non gaming apps like netflix
- Halo 5 controversy, removing of said clips (youtube channel)
- the whole cross play was just a farçe,
- more to come ...
Pathetic post; did you not read the ending sentence in their original post before getting triggered? Yes maybe saying "pioneered" was the wrong word but MS definitely iterated on a lot of those to a point where they became standards in the industry.
If you guys are this easily offended over that kind of stuff why do you even bother replying?
Not to be "that guy" but they did last year and ranked #7 for best publisher in 2019. Sony WWS? #22, same year.
"Good games" doesn't mean simply single-player, story-driven, mature-themed cinematic games. I get people like those and MS could benefit from a few more of them, but there are good games of all types and it would help if more people kept that in mind before insinuating MS's had zero this gen or the only good games they had were Forza.
Microsoft messaging has been really good, they're definitely firing on all cylinders. They need to announce an aggressive price and they'll be in a great position.
At this point launch for both consoles will depend heavily on software.
Not trying to be difficult or contrarian here, just wondering why this particular Halo at this particular time is going to move the needle more than the last few releases have.
If you look at the big movers and shakers are in the FPS genre these days I'm really not sure where Halo fits in anymore. Things have moved on a lot since the mid 2000's when the franchise was at its peak popularity. Not to suggest there isn't an audience for it, just that it seems to me to be addressing a different crowd than what today's top titles are.
Like I said, it feels like its another case of Xbox preaching to the choir.
Halo isn't the Halo of old. First reason being the last few releases were fairly average and the second reason being the competition has caught up and producing superior shooters.
I doubt 343 are capable of bringing Halo back to its glory days. Just simply too many great shooters out there.
Reminds me abit of what happened to Gran Turismo. Competition caught up and it simply doesn't stand out anymore. Releasing it every 5 years doesn't help considering the output from the competition.
Microsoft has been known for making very good PC gamepads and encarta. They didnt pioneer most of what you claim at all. Achievements are consumer friendly, how?
Let me add some more pioneering features done by Microsoft
- pissing off Mac Fans by acquiring Bungie and their mac game
- ubigate? did we forget mircosoftogato? and their doctored halo 2 footage
- PAID online gaming, when literally everyone had it for free
- moneyhatting some of the sega games like Shenume 2
- moneyhatting most pc games from morrowind to kotor, ninja gaiden
- dvd dongle for an extra $50
- over $5billion losses (fat xbox, in 5years)
- riping off PS2 Eye Toy Kinetic for their Kinect 360 naming
- most likely sniffing data from their users since kinect 360
- Original 360 defect rate was 68 per cent
- $1billion repair (360), maybe even more
- sony paid for microsofts 360 cpu , 2nd link, 3rd link
- kinect years
- kinect plays an intricate role in xbone, "you can not simply switch it off" - Nelson
- fake ass kinect techdemos Peter Molyneux´s and others
- microsoft major debacle XBoX One reveal, DRM, TV, Spoarts
- "pristine VR! and never seen HQ pixels!"
- parity clause still a thing
- Microsoft and Machinima paying youtubers to promote Xbone
- shitty long installation (disc)
- broken elite controllers v1 and v2
- PAID F2P games
- PAID online for non gaming apps like netflix
- Halo 5 controversy, removing of said clips (youtube channel)
- the whole cross play was just a farçe,
- more to come ...
Once Sony unveils the PlayStation 5, Xbox Series X's advertising momentum will come to a complete halt. The power of the PlayStation brand is insurmountable.
The other part is that I can play MS games in my computer with higher quality than a standard XBOX but can't play games like GOW. Exclusives matter, a lot.
I like the term, ' Heading into Next Generation in a Position of Strength '
Anyone who does analysis (and who overseen console history), can just feel it in their bones Series X will be something big.
Everything will be based on quality, and the microscope is on Microsoft’s Xbox division. Not only must Halo be a grand slam, but so must those coming from studios Microsoft spend some much money on acquiring.
It wasn’t long ago investors wanted the Xbox division shuttered, yet Microsoft doubled down and was able to eek out a profit, mostly because of gamepass.
I like the term, ' Heading into Next Generation in a Position of Strength '
Anyone who does analysis (and who overseen console history), can just feel it in their bones Series X will be something big.
This looks like a list from someone who started gaming a few years ago.
Microsoft wasn't the pioneer for most of these features.
- PS Now and OnLive were cloud services before MS.
- Sony supported Cross-play with PS2\PC with Final Fantasy 7
- Most controllers are inspired from Nintendo
- PlayStation supported Backward Compatibility before Sony, and there was BC on Genesis and Atari consoles.
- PlayStation supported Cross-buy with some PS3\PS4
- PS2 had external Harddrive support through USB
- I notice you said built in HDD. But PS2 had HDD before Xbox
- First List\Part Charts were adopted from PC gaming.. Things such as Gamespy were a thing.
- I wouldn't call paying for gaming consumer friendly features since we're playing to play these games online
This looks like a list from someone who started gaming a few years ago.
Microsoft wasn't the pioneer for most of these features.
- PS Now and OnLive were cloud services before MS.
- Sony supported Cross-play with PS2\PC with Final Fantasy 7
- Most controllers are inspired from Nintendo
- PlayStation supported Backward Compatibility before Sony, and there was BC on Genesis and Atari consoles.
- PlayStation supported Cross-buy with some PS3\PS4
- PS2 had external Harddrive support through USB
- I notice you said built in HDD. But PS2 had HDD before Xbox
- First List\Part Charts were adopted from PC gaming.. Things such as Gamespy were a thing.
- I wouldn't call paying for gaming consumer friendly features since we're playing to play these games online
You conveniently forget Game Pass was a huge innovation. What about Xbox Design Labs, Adaptive controller? These are all totally unique from Microsoft.
This looks like a list from someone who started gaming a few years ago.
Microsoft wasn't the pioneer for most of these features.
- PS Now and OnLive were cloud services before MS.
- Sony supported Cross-play with PS2\PC with Final Fantasy 7
- Most controllers are inspired from Nintendo
- PlayStation supported Backward Compatibility before Sony, and there was BC on Genesis and Atari consoles.
- PlayStation supported Cross-buy with some PS3\PS4
- PS2 had external Harddrive support through USB
- I notice you said built in HDD. But PS2 had HDD before Xbox
- First List\Part Charts were adopted from PC gaming.. Things such as Gamespy were a thing.
- I wouldn't call paying for gaming consumer friendly features since we're playing to play these games online
Everything will be based on quality, and the microscope is on Microsoft’s Xbox division. Not only must Halo be a grand slam, but so must those coming from studios Microsoft spend some much money on acquiring.
It wasn’t long ago investors wanted the Xbox division shuttered, yet Microsoft doubled down and was able to eek out a profit, mostly because of gamepass.
Indeed, people expect a 90+ halo.
However obsidian have always been hovering in that 80-85 meta and ninja theorys hellblade scored 81, despite these scores there games have been positively received.
So i dont think it would be bad if there next games scored similary
You conveniently forget Game Pass was a huge innovation. What about Xbox Design Labs, Adaptive controller? These are all totally unique from Microsoft.
PS Now and Game Pass have a lot of similarities. They both offer a big catalog of games you can play for a monthly fee. MS allowed you to download games on to your console before Sony, but Sega offered Sega Channel back in the 90's
Saying MS offered wireless controllers first at launch is just list padding.Wireless controllers were a thing well before the 360. If Bluetooth was standard, many companies would've started offering bluetooth controllers from the start.
I'm not saying MS were not pioneers some things in the gaming industry.
To be in a position of power, you have to have shown something that will put you in that place. MS is going against a Sony that has sold 110+ million units and a surging Nintendo that just outsold MS’s LTD Xbone sales in a few years with Switch. Where in all of this is MS supposed to be showing this position of strength?
To be in a position of power, you have to have shown something that will put you in that place. MS is going against a Sony that has sold 110+ million units and a surging Nintendo that just outsold MS’s LTD Xbone sales in a few years with Switch. Where in all of this is MS supposed to be showing this position of strength?
We can argue semantics all night long, but I'll say this - XBOX have definitely put themselves in the best position they can. So far they've hit the right notes, they've built a quality console and made inroads into the negative perceptions about 1st party content.
What's not to like about that?
As a Sony guy, it just makes me all the more impatient to see the PS5 in full.
I like the term, ' Heading into Next Generation in a Position of Strength '
Anyone who does analysis (and who overseen console history), can just feel it in their bones Series X will be something big.
I like the term, ' Heading into Next Generation in a Position of Strength '
Anyone who does analysis (and who overseen console history), can just feel it in their bones Series X will be something big.
Among their faithful, sure. Not sure if that counts as a position of a strength when relating to the overall market. Under-performing in the generation that was the break out season for Digital Libraries will leave long term consequences.
Very excited to see how Microsoft performs next generation. Series X seems like a force to be reckoned with and Sony needs a run for their money so they don´t lose their edge.
I’m feeling positive and excited about the Series X. Don’t give a fuck about the shite being said by the PS4 fanboys. Hoping for a decent gen with way better first party output than the One had, and all the signs so far are positive for me.
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