Xbox One Revision and probably a NEW Xbox outed by FCC Filings

Tatsumi Oga

Banned
Jul 17, 2015
4,149
0
0
im just wondering if current xbone games would work on the supposed new system ...
Solely based on these reports i see no reason why not. We may all be expecting that their will be a better GPU and/or CPU in it, but for all we know it's really just a slim Xbox One. So far nothing has leaked or even rumoured really about real hardware improvements.
 

Dr. Zoidberg

Member
Nov 6, 2004
8,240
31
1,290
Huge Corporations come prepared and have their e3 announcements planned ahead of time. No one is sitting around waiting to see what the other does
Of course they plan it out, but if they are any good they will alter their presentations to respond to their competitors, especially when they have a whole day to do so. I'm talking about PR and messaging. When the other guy goes first, you can really take advantage of the situation by shaping your announcement as a response. Sony has done this repeatedly. Not just with the DRM video but all the way back to the original 1995 E3 PS1 announcement where, after Sega had went first detailing the price and launch of the Saturn, Sony came up afterwards and just said "$299" and walked off like a boss. Not only did they undercut Sega, but they were able to do it in such a way that they seemed cool as hell and gave them a lot of buzz.
 

Bsigg12

Member
Apr 9, 2012
20,735
2
0
im just wondering if current xbone games would work on the supposed new system ...
Going forward I expect every Xbox console to be backwards compatible. Phil Spencer essentially said this was the plan during the press event a few months back when he said they were decoupling the hardware from the software.
 

MuchoMalo

Banned
Apr 9, 2016
3,772
0
0
So, is there any particular reason why people think a device that's probably not even launching this year is getting an FCC filing now? Isn't it likely that both of these are just Slim SKUs?

What kind of console would we have in 2010?

40nm, 2GB RAM? Sounds really underwhelming...
 

Welfare

Member
Feb 24, 2014
14,512
0
370
So, is there any particular reason why people think a device that's probably not even launching this year is getting an FCC filing now? Isn't it likely that both of these are just Slim SKUs?
If there is a new device, why assume it's a 2017 product and not a 2016 one? Why would there be 2 slim models?

I'm thinking MS completely relaunch the Xbox brand this year, with full Windows 10 integration, and 2 new consoles. A low cost slim model and a premium high end model.
 

MuchoMalo

Banned
Apr 9, 2016
3,772
0
0
If there is a new device, why assume it's a 2017 product and not a 2016 one? Why would there be 2 slim models?

I'm thinking MS completely relaunch the Xbox brand this year, with full Windows 10 integration, and 2 new consoles. A low cost slim model and a premium high end model.
Because there's no point to doing this unless it's 14nmFF, and that's pretty unlikely for a console this year. Also, the filing is a bit early even for Holiday 2016.
 

Andodalf

Member
Oct 20, 2013
1,693
13
355
21
Earth
So, is there any particular reason why people think a device that's probably not even launching this year is getting an FCC filing now? Isn't it likely that both of these are just Slim SKUs?



It's the Wii U, for those who didn't pick it up at first, like myself.
 

Yoday

Member
Jun 10, 2013
3,475
0
0
Oregon, US
If there is a new device, why assume it's a 2017 product and not a 2016 one? Why would there be 2 slim models?

I'm thinking MS completely relaunch the Xbox brand this year, with full Windows 10 integration, and 2 new consoles. A low cost slim model and a premium high end model.
This is exactly what I see happening. I find it fascinating that people assume a new PS4 is closer than a new Xbox just because info has leaked about a new PS4. MS has been actively talking about doing this, and everything they have done in the last year has been leading up to it.
 

MuchoMalo

Banned
Apr 9, 2016
3,772
0
0
This is exactly what I see happening. I find it fascinating that people assume a new PS4 is closer than a new Xbox just because info has leaked about a new PS4. MS has been actively talking about doing this, and everything they have done in the last year has been leading up to it.
I don't see either of them happening this year. Both seem like Q1 2017 products at the absolute earliest.
 

jbug617

Banned
Jan 8, 2012
37,183
0
0
I looked for it in the PS4K thread but couldn't find it. What exactly did you mean?
Here is the reference
I’ve heard whispers about an upgraded Xbox One for a while now, and Microsoft has been public about the possibility. At a press briefing earlier this month, Xbox head Phil Spencer hinted to journalists that his company has been exploring the possibility of evolving hardware. “We look at these other ecosystems out there like mobile, tablet and PC,” Spencer told the assembled press, as reported by Polygon, “and we see that they have a very continuous evolution cycle in hardware, whereas between console generations most of the evolution is making it cheaper and potentially making it smaller.”
http://kotaku.com/sources-sony-is-working-on-a-ps4-5-1765723053
 

krang

Member
Mar 24, 2015
6,260
0
290
I don't see either of them happening this year. Both seem like Q1 2017 products at the absolute earliest.
I agree. I think MS will hold back another year and release a new, full revision of Xbox rather than a .5 revision.
 

Proelite

Member
Jul 3, 2006
10,048
1
1,135
Seattle, WA
If MS has the desire to put out a sizeable mid-gen upgrade, there is the ability to put into a 6+ teraflop gpu and a 2x jaguar CPU into a 150W console with 14nm in 2017.

For $399, the best specs they can do.

20W 8 core Zen CPU at 2.1 ghz.
120W 48CU Polaris GPU at 1050mhz, 6.5 teraflop.
8GB GDDR5X / HBM2 300 gb/s+ bandwidth.

This is the around minimum specs required for 4K output of PS4 level graphics with the same framerate.
 
Jan 5, 2016
263
0
0
Pismo Beach, CA
Honestly, I'm more excited for this xbox onepointfive more so than the ps4k. PS4 was already booming when it came to performance. Well more than x1.
I'd love to see a xbox onefourk or w/e. All those halos I've never played, plus Rare Replay. mmmmmmm

They should stop releasing their games on PC tho. I know it's awesome, but it makes me less likely to buy an xbox one.
 

Proelite

Member
Jul 3, 2006
10,048
1
1,135
Seattle, WA
Honestly, I'm more excited for this xbox onepointfive more so than the ps4k. PS4 was already booming when it came to performance. Well more than x1.
I'd love to see a xbox onefourk or w/e. All those halos I've never played, plus Rare Replay. mmmmmmm

They should stop releasing their games on PC tho. I know it's awesome, but it makes me less likely to buy an xbox one.
Haha interesting choice for avatar.
 

Dreathlock

Member
Sep 9, 2014
307
0
0
Honestly, I'm more excited for this xbox onepointfive more so than the ps4k. PS4 was already booming when it came to performance. Well more than x1.
I'd love to see a xbox onefourk or w/e. All those halos I've never played, plus Rare Replay. mmmmmmm

They should stop releasing their games on PC tho. I know it's awesome, but it makes me less likely to buy an xbox one.
It´s not. It is a disaster.
 

Tatsumi Oga

Banned
Jul 17, 2015
4,149
0
0
Ah yes that, that i knew about. But doesn't it go against what he later said? That he didn't like the idea of Xbox 1.5?

I agree. I think MS will hold back another year and release a new, full revision of Xbox rather than a .5 revision.
If they wait a full year while Sony likely releases a much more powerful PS4, judging by the latest Neo reports i really wonder how next year is going to look for MS. They already don't have a ton of exclusives and not nearly as many studios as Sony and if multiplats look and perform much much better on that new PS4....that just can't be good. And if the Nintendo NX reports are true, hardware wise Xbox One will finish last. Unless MS is ok with that position.......
 

EvB

Member
Jan 20, 2012
9,859
5
535
United Kingdom
So wtf is Model 1688?
https://fccid.io/C3K1688

It includes testing reports that are usual for mobile phones or tablets but normally it's not a FCC filing by Microsoft Corporation but it's mobile division. Also the photos from the SAR tests indicate some device in the form of a pretty long remote control.
I place my bets on a wireless headset.

They've yet to make an official one and if they are having to do tissue tests, maybe it's something that is close to the head.

On Another note, I checked the model number of the Shadow Dusk pad and it is 1697, the same as all the other 3.5mm jack pads that have been released.

That means the ID found is in fact a new pad or revision of some sort
 

ekim

Member
May 2, 2012
15,037
0
610
I place my bets on a wireless headset.

They've yet to make an official one and if they are having to do tissue tests, maybe it's something that is close to the head.

On Another note, I checked the model number of the Shadow Dusk pad and it is 1697, the same as all the other 3.5mm jack pads that have been released.

That means the ID found is in fact a new pad or revision of some sort
Ah nice to have that confirmation. Thanks for looking it up. What was the number again you found? (On mobile)
 

Dr. Zoidberg

Member
Nov 6, 2004
8,240
31
1,290
hardware wise Xbox One will finish last. Unless MS is ok with that position.......
Sometimes in a gen you accept the "L" and just maintain support until the next big thing launches. It's not cost-effective to come from behind as you'll never make up the difference, so the best thing you can do is launch earlier than your competition next time and attempt to steal their audience. It's basically what they did with the Xbox -> 360 transition. I'm not saying that's what they are doing now, though. The "gen" model is about to be turned on its head.

I'm starting to think you're going to see some kind of paradigm shift with Xbox rather than a 1.5 console iteration. Maybe something more akin to steam machines than traditional consoles. It will probably be a disaster, but we'll see.
 

Bizzquik

Member
Sep 9, 2013
1,918
0
0
Kennewick, WA - USA
I think MS will hold back another year and release a new, full revision of Xbox rather than a .5 revision.
Recent comments by Phil make me think you're right.

I can see the next Xbox coming out in 2017, with full backward compatibility for all Xbox One games and an ever-growing list of Xbox 360 games - thanks to the Windows 10 framework that unites all-things-Microsoft now.

November 2017 would put the next Xbox at the four-year mark of the Xbox One. As a frame of reference, Microsoft released the Xbox 360 four years after the original Xbox.
 

mike4001_

Member
Apr 4, 2014
2,841
6
370
I can see the next Xbox coming out in 2017, with full backward compatibility for all Xbox One games and an ever-growing list of Xbox 360 games - thanks to the Windows 10 framework that unites all-things-Microsoft now.
Would be VERY interesting if their legal approvel for Xbox 360 games from pubishers just states

"Release this game on the Xbox One console"

or

"Release this game on Xbox One and future Xbox consoles"
 

Arkeband

Banned
Mar 11, 2015
11,982
0
0
I humbly suggest the OT for the new Xbox be called:

XBOX 1.11 |OT| You can (not) 1080p60fps.

kappa
 

Bsigg12

Member
Apr 9, 2012
20,735
2
0
I hope MS don't release a new controller entirely. I love my Elite, i've no doubt it will be compatible with any box, but if they made a new one with some enhancements that would annoy me tbh
I suppose it would depend. If they were changing the wireless solution to support surround sound through the controller wirelessly, I would definitely be there. I'm not quite sure what else they would add to the controller that isn't doable with the chatpad though.
 

Bsigg12

Member
Apr 9, 2012
20,735
2
0
Sorry guys, i was genuinly intrigued to just see Hololens in this thread. :(
There's a lot of cool videos being made with it right now. Also, go check out the Wired article about the Magic Leap. There's a Magic Leap thread in OT that has it. It's really interesting to see what's all on the horizon. I would link to it but I'm on mobile right now...
 

Tatsumi Oga

Banned
Jul 17, 2015
4,149
0
0
Is it possible for MS to have a deal with AMD for Polaris as well or very unlikely? I know nobody here can know, except some insiders, but what are the chances?

This Elite V2 could be that slim model that we keep hearing about. But then the question remains...are there any real hardware differences? Man it's so silent on Microsoft's side.
 

TBiddy

Member
Mar 16, 2015
2,335
202
335
Denmark
Is it possible for MS to have a deal with AMD for Polaris as well or very unlikely? I know nobody here can know, except some insiders, but what are the chances?
Absolutely possible. AMD isn't swimming in cash and thus need the business, so unless Sony paid a large amount of money for the exclusive rights to use Polaris (which they didn't), there's nothing holding Microsoft back from using Polaris as well.
 

GHG

Member
Nov 9, 2006
15,836
1
1,065
It will be interesting to see how they deal with the eSRAM problem moving forwards.
 

Tatsumi Oga

Banned
Jul 17, 2015
4,149
0
0
Absolutely possible. AMD isn't swimming in cash and thus need the business, so unless Sony paid a large amount of money for the exclusive rights to use Polaris (which they didn't), there's nothing holding Microsoft back from using Polaris as well.
Ok cool, MS would be dumb not to go for it then, if they plan a improved Xbox One that is. From what i am hearing Polaris in PS4K is something to be really happy about.
 

Dr. Zoidberg

Member
Nov 6, 2004
8,240
31
1,290
...are there any real hardware differences? Man it's so silent on Microsoft's side.
People should probably temper their expectations. If there's little smoke, there might not be much fire. At least not yet. I think it's a given that if MS is planning any spec bump, it's farther out than Sony's is. While it's possible that MS has plugged it's leaky ship, most of the PS4K leaks have come from devs and you can bet they'd be talking Xbox 1.5 too if such a thing were launching in the same time frame as the Neo. More likely we're just looking at a fancy slim with some minor hardware changes (not affecting performance, for the most part) in the short term. Then some kind of upgrade in the future after Sony's played their hand.
 

ekim

Member
May 2, 2012
15,037
0
610
The NDA for both 1682 and 1683 was changed to September.



And the reference to the XBox One manual was removed, it now says Manual 1683 and not Manual 1525. (still has the same size as the 1525 manual)

(Note how they submitted the "new" manual on the same date, I made this thread. lol)

The Anatel page is down btw... lol
 

ekim

Member
May 2, 2012
15,037
0
610
What does that actually mean, ekim? 'Something' is launching in September?
I have no idea. The initial NDAs would've lifted in June resp. July. But September makes more sense for a console to launch. I still pessimistically think, it's "just" the Xbox One Slim which I'm more than sure will come this year but I think we will get an announcement or at least tease for both.
 

Bits N Pieces

Member
Jun 9, 2015
6,446
0
0
I have no idea. The initial NDAs would've lifted in June resp. July. But September makes more sense for a console to launch. I still pessimistically think, it's "just" the Xbox One Slim which I'm more than sure will come this year but I think we will get an announcement or at least tease for both.
Whatever it is you're doing great work and I think you deserve a tag, 'Just one more thing ...' would be perfect :)
 

JumPeRJumPzZ

Banned
Dec 15, 2014
5,688
0
0
Germany
Hm someone on twitter said that Microsoft will announce a Slim Xbone with 4k video compatibility but no Spec bump and HDD Tray

he is known for the 2012/2013 leaks



Would be really dumb if Microsoft has nothing to rival that better spec'd PS4.
 

Marlenus

Member
Jul 29, 2013
1,099
42
340
UK
If MS has the desire to put out a sizeable mid-gen upgrade, there is the ability to put into a 6+ teraflop gpu and a 2x jaguar CPU into a 150W console with 14nm in 2017.

For $399, the best specs they can do.

20W 8 core Zen CPU at 2.1 ghz.
120W 48CU Polaris GPU at 1050mhz, 6.5 teraflop.
8GB GDDR5X / HBM2 300 gb/s+ bandwidth.

This is the around minimum specs required for 4K output of PS4 level graphics with the same framerate.
Considering the top Polaris chip is meant to be 40CU and 150 Watts I don't see how they can increase the SP count by 20% and consume less power unless the clockspeed is a lot lower. Even with 1 year of improvement at the fab.

We have no idea how big or power hungry Zen is so any figures in relation to that are ripped straight from your arse.

I also don't see how that could possibly be $399, the GPU die would be in the region of 250-260mm^2 on its own. No clue how big or small Zen is and then the big question, ESRAM, do they ditch it or not, stick with what they have for compatibility with previous games or what. Overall you are looking at a 300+mm^2 die.

I doubt those specs will be possible at that price point and at that power consumption.
 

ekim

Member
May 2, 2012
15,037
0
610
Here is my final prediction: (it's really just an educated guess/deduction from all stuff I've found and heard/read from officials, no insider info or whatever)

Xbox One Slim. Will indeed have a slight spec bump but MS will not really talk about it. GPU/CPU will be another more energy efficient smaller architecture but just as powerful as the PS4 vanilla one, maybe less. This will help BC and OS performance. Older games will simply get resources assigned to run the same as before via the hypervisor. Newer games surely benefit from the slight boost. Remember the 360 also got a better GPU (or CPU? don't remember) mid-gen but MS bottlenecked it to ensure compatibility. The same will happen here sans the artificial bottleneck.

Additionally MS will announce an indeed better machine for next year based on the same base components/architecture as the Slim.

Basically what ProElite wrote here and in his thread.

All will happen on a dedicated event before E3.
 

gaming_noob

Member
Jan 25, 2010
5,156
1
685
Toronto
Hm someone on twitter said that Microsoft will announce a Slim Xbone with 4k video compatibility but no Spec bump and HDD Tray

he is known for the 2012/2013 leaks



Would be really dumb if Microsoft has nothing to rival that better spec'd PS4.
Non news to look forward to for existing owners then.