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Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017

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Microsoft won't sell xbox to anyone because it's a huge and important part to monetize the new free windows business model.

Before: Oems and direct software sales
Now: Oems, advertising and gaming
 
lol.

If I had a nickel for every time someone claim xbox is going down.

And it happens when MS are about to announce/release a new console.

Yeah. Last year the "Xbox leaving console hardware" bullshit rumours popped up right before they announced 2 new consoles and Design lab.
 
Didn't people speak up about their" games as a service" nonsense after the reveal?

Yeah I guess. They seem to want to attract a similar audience that drives Overwatch, LoL, DOTA2, by extending that multiplayer content. I think its fine for MS. They dont really have studios like Sony that can create an massive open world rpg and devote 6 years to development time to it. The market is so tricky with SP games.

They arent going anywhere.
 
I don't know if Scorpio will be delayed. I was told that by two people last time I was in Redmond... a few weeks ago. My personal opinion is that it will make X-Mas, but barely. As for the rest, that is the scuttlebut among various MS employees. I work with MS from time to time, but not with the game division at all. My experience is with MS, corporate, and what I hear from my friends

OK, thanks for the answer.
 
Didn't people speak up about their" games as a service" nonsense after the reveal?
That was more for the always online and no used games stuff, and lo and behold, most Xbox players are spending time on online service games. So as I hate to say it, they probably were right about the direction of gaming as much as the internet fights against it. Like destiny and Red dead
Online are going to be the biggest games this year

Now of course there's stuff like data caps and internet speeds that would make their OG vision not viable
 
Listen to this and take it to the bank. The reason Xbox isn't going anywhere is because, for Microsoft, there is no more easily accessible means to play the biggest and best new game releases on a Microsoft platform. PC gaming is still too complex for many people. A lot of people don't know how to setup or configure a high end rig. Ease of usability and accessibility is something consoles will likely always have the edge on.

Gaming is easily one of Microsoft's main killer apps and one of the biggest things that draws people, especially the younger demographic, to the Windows platform. If Microsoft doesn't have Xbox filling that role that works to ease the access to the latest and greatest games, you better believe someone else will step up to fill the void they leave behind. And when that someone steps in to do that, and can follow it up with the right moves and resources, Windows will officially be in serious fucking trouble. No matter what people tell me about the suits at Microsoft or their shortsighted investors, I feel confident there aren't nearly enough people with influence who are so interested in the prospect of self sabotage that they get rid of the xbox division. Try it. See what happens when they wake up one day and Windows is under assault in ways they never thought possible before ditching Xbox.
 
Listen to this and take it to the bank. The reason Xbox isn't going anywhere is because, for Microsoft, there is no more easily accessible means to play the biggest and best new game releases on a Microsoft platform. PC gaming is still too complex for many people. A lot of people don't know how to setup or configure a high end rig. Ease of usability and accessibility is something consoles will likely always have the edge on.

Gaming is easily one of Microsoft's main killer apps and one of the biggest things that draws people, especially the younger demographic, to the Windows platform. If Microsoft doesn't have Xbox filling that role that works to ease the access to the latest and greatest games, you better believe someone else will step up to fill the void they leave behind. And when that someone steps in to do that, and can follow it up with the right moves and resources, Windows will officially be in serious fucking trouble. No matter what people tell me about the suits at Microsoft or their shortsighted investors, I feel confident there aren't nearly enough people with influence who are so interested in the prospect of self sabotage that they get rid of the xbox division. Try it. See what happens when they wake up one day and Windows is under assault in ways they never thought possible before ditching Xbox.
I'm sure Samsung would kill to jump into the console gaming space. Xbox disappearing would be all the invitation they needed. Then you'd have Sony, Samsung and Steam all driving games away from MS storefronts together. Not a good play.
 
I'm sure Samsung would kill to jump into the console gaming space. Xbox disappearing would be all the invitation they needed. Then you'd have Sony, Samsung and Steam all driving games away from MS storefronts together. Not a good play.

Exactly, and then there's the prospect of Amazon or Google. We know they have the resources to compete. And I'm not even mentioning Apple.
 
I'm sure Samsung would kill to jump into the console gaming space. Xbox disappearing would be all the invitation they needed. Then you'd have Sony, Samsung and Steam all driving games away from MS storefronts together. Not a good play.

Samsung wouldn't want Xbox. Not now, not ever. They make a popular smart phones. that is their gaming machine right there.
 
Samsung wouldn't want Xbox. Not now, not ever. They make a popular smart phones. that is their gaming machine right there.

You misinterpret what he just said. He's saying Samsung would build their own console and fill the void that Xbox left. A lot of major companies would just at the chance.
 
You misinterpret what he just said. He's saying Samsung would build their own console and fill the void that Xbox left. A lot of major companies would just at the chance.

Ahh I see. IDK, it be a really hard up hill battle for them. They would need to get First Party studios going. Lots of work. However, Samsung has its Tizen OS but that is more for mobile. Whoever fills that void would need to be really aggressive against Sony.

I will say it again, if either Sony or MS drops out from making console I am switching to PC. I won't support a platform with no competition in this industry.
 
You misinterpret what he just said. He's saying Samsung would build their own console and fill the void that Xbox left. A lot of major companies would just at the chance.

No they would not unless you talking a high margin tablet level SOC console. Smart phones made everything about high margins. A high investment low margin device is not going to fly with any share holders. If MS ever left no one is stepping in with a high powered device sold near cost.
 
I'm sure Samsung would kill to jump into the console gaming space. Xbox disappearing would be all the invitation they needed. Then you'd have Sony, Samsung and Steam all driving games away from MS storefronts together. Not a good play.

I bet they'd even sell phones that caught fire.
 
No they would not unless you talking a high margin tablet level SOC console. Smart phones made everything about high margins. A high investment low margin device is not going to fly with any share holders. If MS ever left no one is stepping in with a high powered device sold near cost.
I think you are wrong about that. The allure of taking over another entertainment arm and putting their own exclusive storefront there would appeal to a lot of corporations. Samsung who against all odds already beat Sony in the television space, Amazon who already flirts with the idea of a console, Etc. Consoles today are pretty much off the shelf parts and an OS. If you own a digital storefront there's a lot to win by owning the television.

I bet they'd even sell phones that caught fire.
Think of it as a next generation of RROD. When the console dies, so do you. lol
 
I'm sure Samsung would kill to jump into the console gaming space. Xbox disappearing would be all the invitation they needed. Then you'd have Sony, Samsung and Steam all driving games away from MS storefronts together. Not a good play.


The dream for MS would be for Samsung , Dell & others to make Windows 10 Multimedia Computers that are pretty much UWP consoles. Xbox will be like Surface MS will continue to make Xbox but other companies will also make their own Windows 10 Multimedia Computers.
 
I'll bite on the rumor talk for a moment..if Scorpio ends up being delayed I think it can only be justified by a significant strategy change for the system overall.

If it's just delayed till maybe March/April 2018, it would almost certainly have a Zen CPU and possibly next gen AMD GPU architecture as a base but probably still follow the original role as a stop gap.

However anything past Spring/Summer 2018 and MS might as well say fuck it and go full tilt next gen with Scorpio 10+TF to get a huge head start on PS5 to try to win back market share.
 
I can't help but wonder (and hope, actually) if there's any chance that Scorpio could be a consolized PC that'll just offer full compatibility with Xbox One builds of games for pre-Scorpio games and support for the Windows 10 versions of Play Anywhere games with configurations that're optimized for Scorpio.
 
I'll bite on the rumor talk for a moment..if Scorpio ends up being delayed I think it can only be justified by a significant strategy change for the system overall.

If it's just delayed till maybe March/April 2018, it would almost certainly have a Zen CPU and possibly next gen AMD GPU architecture as a base but probably still follow the original role as a stop gap.

However anything past Spring/Summer 2018 and MS might as well say fuck it and go full tilt next gen with Scorpio 10+TF to get a huge head start on PS5 to try to win back market share.

Yep. If they're going to delay, just go all the way, delay till holiday 18, call it a new generation with full 100% backwards compatibility for Xbox One and BC 360 and make it a fucking ridiculous monstrosity at 10-12TF with HBM and future proof the motherfucker.
 
Yep. If they're going to delay, just go all the way, delay till holiday 18, call it a new generation with full 100% backwards compatibility for Xbox One and BC 360 and make it a fucking ridiculous monstrosity at 10-12TF with HBM and future proof the motherfucker.

So we can sit through an entire damn year of people saying it's not going to release and Microsoft is leaving the console business? No way. I doubt it's getting delayed, but if it won't have Zen without the delay then it's definitely worth it to delay it.
 
I'll bite on the rumor talk for a moment..if Scorpio ends up being delayed I think it can only be justified by a significant strategy change for the system overall.

If it's just delayed till maybe March/April 2018, it would almost certainly have a Zen CPU and possibly next gen AMD GPU architecture as a base but probably still follow the original role as a stop gap.

However anything past Spring/Summer 2018 and MS might as well say fuck it and go full tilt next gen with Scorpio 10+TF to get a huge head start on PS5 to try to win back market share.

There is no next generation thing for Xbox even it delayed to 2019, not because powerful or not, it's because that doesn't match MS's currently strategy.
 
Is Scorpio bound to scale at 4K on all games?

If so, it will be an absolute beast. A dragon amongst consoles.

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The notion that suggests Xbox is going down because of Scalebound (or general direction of MS first party) is silly. MS might scale back their gaming division operations But shutting it down wont happen, they might shift to games as services with bigger integration w/ windows.
 
The dream for MS would be for Samsung , Dell & others to make Windows 10 Multimedia Computers that are pretty much UWP consoles. Xbox will be like Surface MS will continue to make Xbox but other companies will also make their own Windows 10 Multimedia Computers.
I don't think this in the console space. I feel like that would dilute the platform and confuse the consumers.
 
The dream for MS would be for Samsung , Dell & others to make Windows 10 Multimedia Computers that are pretty much UWP consoles. Xbox will be like Surface MS will continue to make Xbox but other companies will also make their own Windows 10 Multimedia Computers.

Other companies already make Windows 10 multimedia computers. As can average Joe. No one will ever make a multimedia PC that will run an Xbox disk.
 
There is no next generation thing for Xbox even it delayed to 2019, not because powerful or not, it's because that doesn't match MS's currently strategy.

Microsoft from here on out will release major console upgrades/refreshes every 4-5 years to ensure they have a product with Microsoft and Xbox branding capable of playing some of the latest games at, or close to, their best. They'll use it to drive support and engagement of their digital storefront for games. So Microsoft will always have a more powerful system.

However, it isn't entirely true that Microsoft won't have generations. I don't think people realize yet what Microsoft is really doing. My suspicion, and I suspect I'm right, is that Microsoft are guaranteeing, for now, that Xbox One gamers won't be left behind and all games are going to be shared between Xbox One/S and Scorpio. However, I feel the bigger promise being made, and the one they really feel is the more important promise to keep, is that gamers will no longer need to start over when they buy a new system. All of the games they bought and enjoyed for previous consoles, starting with Xbox One, will be compatible and fully playable on all Xbox consoles going forward. Xbox One will get a solid 3 to 4 more years where everything that releases (with the exception of some Scorpio VR titles) has an Xbox One version. However, once Microsoft is coming around to their Scorpio successor, no way will that continue to be true.

The new "you won't be left behind" promise is going to be made and kept for the next 3-4 years for Scorpio. Scorpio will be the new baseline for game development once a more powerful xbox releases because It simply wouldn't be practical to try and stretch releases across 3 classes of consoles where the gap is so large from Xbox One all the way up to the Scorpio successor. By then, if people want to continue taking advantage of new releases they can opt to upgrade to the obviously now much cheaper scorpio, or they can choose to upgrade to the more expensive scorpio successor. Xbox One gamers who didn't upgrade before will now find it in their best interest to finally pick an upgrade if they want to continue playing new titles on Xbox. I don't rule out devs being able to create games for Xbox One still, but should they choose to do so, they run the risk of really holding back the version for the scorpio successor unless they do some extra work.

But as I said, I don't see Microsoft minding too much setting Scorpio as the new baseline for development after a certain number of years have passed. It'll be much cheaper for people to upgrade to by then anyway. That's Microsoft's strategy going forward, I'm certain of it.
 
I don't mind a delay.

Go big or go home.

I think the same.And i prefer a delay and ms maybe change their minds and make the scorpio the succesor of the xb1 with bc with the xb1 rather than making a xbox one v2 like it is right now.I want a new generation not another xbox one more powerful.
 
I think the same.And i prefer a delay and ms maybe change their minds and make the scorpio the succesor of the xb1 with bc with the xb1 rather than making a xbox one v2 like it is right now.I want a new generation not another xbox one more powerful.

You guys are missing why that wouldn't be a good idea. Game support from developers and their sales. You don't want devs being nervous about a small userbase. Scorpio and Xbox One sharing games at least ensures that devs have many more potential buyers of their game. The connection to Xbox One will serve as a bit of an insurance policy for games support on Scorpio.
 
Bish not around to check ppl, they're coming out of the woodworks now.

Though, like I said before I'd love to see the Scorpio delayed if it meant a non-tablet CPU came with it.
I think what he said is to be expected tbh. They've cancelled many investments into new games which is just sunken cash. They're going to have answers to why and the division will start loosing faith in Phil's decisions.
 
I can't help but wonder (and hope, actually) if there's any chance that Scorpio could be a consolized PC that'll just offer full compatibility with Xbox One builds of games for pre-Scorpio games and support for the Windows 10 versions of Play Anywhere games with configurations that're optimized for Scorpio.

I'm kind of thinking this as well, this would make loads more games appear in the Windows store and drive its growth.
 
I think the same.And i prefer a delay and ms maybe change their minds and make the scorpio the succesor of the xb1 with bc with the xb1 rather than making a xbox one v2 like it is right now.I want a new generation not another xbox one more powerful.

They can't just move generations because the output of games is still tied to the market as a whole. Additionally they risk being caught at a lower hardware option in two or three years time if Sony decided to drop a new machine. Like it or not, iterative consoles are here to stay.

Basically they are just becoming more and more liked gimped PC's with each iteration.

I kind of hope Microsoft takes over what was kind of started with the Steam Machine. They streamline their Xbox OS to be an Xbox Mode. And the console is able to be used as a PC as well switching between desktop mode and Xbox Mode. The benefit being it's cheaper than a built PC because of economy of scale, but without the benefits of upgrades etc. And has an iteration every 2-3 years as to only have to manage two to three specs they pay extra attention to. This also takes care of backwards compatibility as PC has always done.

This also encompasses any machine running Windows 10 and allows for upwards scalibility for those that want to build a high end right as they are doing now.
 
I agree delay if you have to, so you have games to release with..come out with hopefully heavy hitters that are new IPS and one OG IP. treat it like a bran new system that has the feature of playing x1/360/xbox games.
 
Dont get why people want PGR. We have enough Forza games on the horizon.

It shouldn't really require explaining the difference, but I'll explain by asking a question:

What is your favourite closed circuit of FH3?
 
I agree delay if you have to, so you have games to release with..come out with hopefully heavy hitters that are new IPS and one OG IP. treat it like a bran new system that has the feature of playing x1/360/xbox games.

This thought had crossed my mind.
 
I agree delay if you have to, so you have games to release with..come out with hopefully heavy hitters that are new IPS and one OG IP. treat it like a bran new system that has the feature of playing x1/360/xbox games.

Oh come on, isn't it a little bit too early for this stage of grief?

Scorpio won't get delayed. Why would it? Because Scalebound?!

Does anyone really think they'd throw a developed console under the bus just to make sure the next Halo is a launch title?

Phil's strategy is quite clear, and apparently he decided that the XBOX One content (incl. best looking 3rd party titles) is sufficient, even without Scalebound.

But if it's any comfort to you, you'll probably get get a proper brand new system in 2019 which plays at least the game of the previous generation.
 
As a big fan of Xbox until Xbox One (Xbox, Xbox 360, then went PS4 until 2016), Scorpio is actually the most excited I have been for a console release in a while. I hope they announce a plethora of good games this year and make a come back in the US at least. I've got a 4K tv and a new 7.1 system waiting to take full advantage.
 
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