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[LordOfChaos]

This was confirmed by Austin as well, there's still time to go to change things, but apparently they had set aside 1GB memory for the UI, but developers wanted to use it for games, so they reduced it somewhat and gave ?? back and render the UI in 1080p and SDR. The PS5 was confirmed to be able to output the home UI in HDR and 4K.

The PS4 Pro already had some extra DRAM so a 4K UI wouldn't touch the GDDR memory.

PS4 Pro’s additional RAM frees up memory for game developers

New RAM used for noncritical apps

www.polygon.com

 

[BlueXImpulse]

What is the reasoning for this?

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

 

[SlimySnake]

, but apparently they had set aside 1GB memory for the UI, but developers wanted to use it for games, so they reduced it somewhat and gave ?? back and render the UI in 1080p and SDR.

this isnt true. thats what MS said in regards to the X1X not having a 4k UI. They havent said anything about why the xsx isnt in 4k.

 

[sn0man]

Best choice until they can make an updated UI in 4K that fits in the same memory footprint.

 

[LordOfChaos]

this isnt true. thats what MS said in regards to the X1X not having a 4k UI. They havent said anything about why the xsx isnt in 4k.

I see, my bad. It can probably be assumed the reason is similar, but not confirmed.

 

[xion4360]

dont see any reason to have a 1080p UI on series X? it must just still be running the xbox one version...if its not then it kinda sucks but the refreshed UI looks good eitherway.

 

[mckmas8808]

This is weird. No way the RAM usage is way the XSX's UI is only 1080p.

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

Every time my menus are on HDR, I cringe at what happens. That is not what the extra range is for.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[jose4gg]

dont see any reason to have a 1080p UI on series X? it must just still be running the xbox one version...if its not then it kinda sucks but the refreshed UI looks good eitherway.

I think their UI takes a lot more resources than the PS5 UI, and it all comes down to their OS, I don't know if they share some code between windows and Xbox OS, but this same stuff happens with Windows vs Mac, in the animation department of the UI Mac is always 10 steps ahead of Windows, just mainly because it isn't made to be thattttt responsive...

I hope they can fix this, in 4 years 1080 will be things of the past, if they aren't already

 

[Plantoid]

Well, that's a bummer, but easily patched later on or until launch day, who knows?

 

[LordOfChaos]

How is this a bad thing????

Did I say it was? That was actually the reason given for the One X, but I imagine the reason is the same, it's a tradeoff.

I wonder why it can't be dynamic. Home UI is 4K, when a game uses the RAM it switches to 1080p.

 

[Andodalf]

If it uses more memory for games, I'm for it, but it does still kinda suck.

I do wonder about OS Ram allocations now, If MS has just a 1080P UI While Sony has 4k and the ability to do their PiP stuff, that must take up a considerable amount more RAM

 

[LordCBH]

What? Why? Dumb decision.

 

[RoboFu]

eehh ive never noticed.

 

[jose4gg]

Every time my menus are on HDR, I cringe at what happens. That is not what the extra range is for.

I don't think PS5 HDR is for the menu, if you look at the way Sony is rendering the game that is playing or the background images when you are in the main section, that particular screens like the one with Rachet&CLank will look amazing in HDR.

 

[M1chl]

What is the reasoning for this?

Smaller memory footprint, suffice to say, that dash ingame works fast, so I think it's worth the trade-off.

 

[DESTROYA]

Man people are just trying to find anything to bitch about these new consoles.
Oh no the UI is not 4K ! Who gives a shit.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Every time my menus are on HDR, I cringe at what happens. That is not what the extra range is for.

The PS4 tries to keep its UI in SDR, until an HDR game is launched then it just doesn't flip back and forth because that would be jarring. Maybe the PS4's UI is not optimized for HDR, but the PS5's would be?

 

[Iced Arcade]

I'm fine with 1080p for the UI if it gives even more power to developers.

 

[VinnyMac]

I've come to a conclusion that I do not like that Jeff Grubb guy like at all.

On topic im not too suprised honestly its using the same ui as the one x so I wouldn't expect it to magically change to 4k unless the rest if the Xbox follow suit. Im glad the ps5 has a different one than the ps4 the ps4 seems so stake now.

 

[Papacheeks]

But isn't the xbox one x UI also 1080p and the new UI is already on that?

 

[timmyp53]

Could be scaling that hasn't been updated? UIs aren't as simple as some people think. Im assuming it could just be patched. Not sure on HDR ommision though.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

But isn't the xbox one x UI also 1080p and the new UI is already on that?

It's a preview model, they can't even access all the BC games on it and are force embargoed by shit being locked down.

There's a good chance it's using the Xbox One X UI out of convenience and, further, reviewers still aren't allowed to show or talk about it much.

I'd say there's a good chance they patch in 4k, as Jeff speculates.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

Smaller memory footprint, suffice to say, that dash ingame works fast, so I think it's worth the trade-off.

What can we deduce if Sony has the same memory footprint?

 

[01011001]

honest question... who the fuck cares? like... that's basically the least important thing ever, what would you gain by having a 4k Dashboard? it's flat icons using flat PNG files and flat shapes surrounding them

 

[JLB]

As John said, this is disappointing. They should have a 4k ready interface. I guess moving forward with the full React Native reimplementation they will eventually get it.

 

[LOLCats]

I don't want UI in HDR but do you want 4K

 

[GaviotaGrande]

1080p interface in 2020 is unacceptable. Microsoft should fix that shit ASAP.

Every time my menus are on HDR, I cringe at what happens. That is not what the extra range is for.

Even Windows 10 looks great in HDR mode on a good HDR screen. I never turn HDR off on my CX.

 

[DESTROYA]

What can we deduce if Sony has the same memory footprint?

That people like to bitch about stupid shit.

 

[Redlancet]

Man people are just trying to find anything to bitch about these new consoles.
Oh no the UI is not 4K ! Who gives a shit.

microsoft did,they championed 4k and as a 4k tv user,i give a shit

 

[LordOfChaos]

As John said, this is disappointing. They should have a 4k ready interface. I guess moving forward with the full React Native reimplementation they will eventually get it.

Is the UI made with React Native? I knew the store and the Xbox app were

 

[Riven326]

Because it's Windows and Windows sucks.

 

[YCoCg]

The Switch UI is 720p and people didn't notice that for like a year.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Hope they fix it but in the end it's not a big deal.

 

[JLB]

Is the UI made with React Native? I knew the store and the Xbox app were

No, the UI as a whole still uses the old tech stack, but the new store is React Native. I asume they will eventually migrate everything to RN moving forward. https://microsoft.github.io/react-native-windows/.

 

[M1chl]

What can we deduce if Sony has the same memory footprint?

We never going to know, what is the footprint in RAM.

 

[DarkMage619]

I never noticed. Does this affect games running in 4k?

 

[LordOfChaos]

I never noticed. Does this affect games running in 4k?

Apart form them having marginally more RAM, no

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

This is the first xboxx development that disappoints me.

I'm sure the Microsoft engineers are very competent and have a very good reason.

 

[Elginer]

Man people are just trying to find anything to bitch about these new consoles.
Oh no the UI is not 4K ! Who gives a shit.

I give a shit. I didn’t spend 3000 on an 85 inch 4K tv to see some ghetto ass 1080p UI

 

[itsjustJEFF]

What is the reasoning for this?

Most likely just not ready, yet. It'll get there, probably just before launch.

 

[DESTROYA]

I give a shit. I didn’t spend 3000 on an 85 inch 4K tv to see some ghetto ass 1080p UI

OK but how much time to spend looking at the UI?
1080p is ghetto ass now.....lol

 

[existensmaximum]

No way it will stay like this. I can't imagine that they won't make the XSX render the UI at 4k resolution eventually. Right?

 

[SlimySnake]

I see, my bad. It can probably be assumed the reason is similar, but not confirmed.

I doubt it. The PS4 Pro UI is 4k and they were still able to give developers an extra 500 MB of RAM on the PS4 Pro by reducing the OS footprint.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[LordOfChaos]

I doubt it. The PS4 Pro UI is 4k and they were still able to give developers an extra 500 MB of RAM on the PS4 Pro by reducing the OS footprint.

The PS4 Pros solution is to add some slow DRAM so the 4K UI doesn't eat into the GDDR pool. Best of all worlds solution imo.

PS4 Pro’s additional RAM frees up memory for game developers

New RAM used for noncritical apps

www.polygon.com

 

[MiguelItUp]

I personally don't see a huge issue with this. I mean, it's the UI. You'll be in it a bit, sure. But you'll be in the games even more. None the less an interesting decision...

 

[phil_t98]

To be honest it’s not a big thing it being 1080p , as long as it’s smooth and no lag