splattered
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Wait a minute did they officially announce a demon souls remake or are you guys makingbshit up again?
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Xbox Series X Exclusive Games From Xbox Game Studios Will Start Coming One Year After Launch
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demigod
Member
That would be my guess.
GametimeUK
Member
I find it amazing how good Sony can be at controlling the narrative. During the run up to the PS4 launch the big talking point was how much more powerful the console was over Xbox One. Another talking point was Microsoft having shit business practices. Heck, for the first few years Xbox arguably had the better exclusive line up. Then the PS4 Pro comes out and the "world's most powerful console" narrative is still pushed.
Xbox One X is now the most powerful machine out, but now all the PS4 library of games is beefy to the point the narrative can be spun to games. Also Microsoft are probably the more pro consumer out of the two with services, store refunds, censorship, early access, cross play (yeah Sony and Microsoft are finally on the same page after back and forth).
It's just crazy how when Sony and Microsoft switch places, the narrative changes in Sony's favour along with it.
Xbox One X is now the most powerful machine out, but now all the PS4 library of games is beefy to the point the narrative can be spun to games. Also Microsoft are probably the more pro consumer out of the two with services, store refunds, censorship, early access, cross play (yeah Sony and Microsoft are finally on the same page after back and forth).
It's just crazy how when Sony and Microsoft switch places, the narrative changes in Sony's favour along with it.
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
Playstation always has the best foundation for games I'm talking in general .. Sony got me because the way they do things every Gen with exclusives games that define the Console ... I can list you the games but you know them and all have sequels 100% for the ps5
GOW
HZD
SPIDER MAN
UNCHARTED ( I HOPE )
BLOODBORNE
TLOU
And so on ...
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SLB1904
Banned
so MS cares about selling consoles?
because if they didn't I'm pretty sure they would release everything on playstaion
MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
Exactly, there’s literally no reason to buy one. PC already plays all the game’s and now your One X will play all of them too.
Sure just like there is never any reason to upgrade your graphics card I'm sure you are all rocking your voodoo rush or your nvidia tnt2. I'll take my 4k 60fps thank you very much.
Zekra Dezivad
Member
Hmmm, when you drop the support for lower specs the upgrade in visuals is very tangible. Give a look to Ryse: Son of Rome xbox360 prototype, it's on youtube.
However launch games have some limits too, there's a lot of optimization possible when you work on a closed platform
Hobbygaming
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It's been repeatedly hinted at by Bluepoint and Jason Schreier said it's real so it's coming
Ascend
Member
Remember the PS3? It had nothing for the first year either... Sony is not always so great.
I for one don't really mind this... If it takes longer to release quality games with that being the cause for fewer at launch, I'll take that over having a bunch of buggy and glitchy games at launch. And it has Halo, their biggest franchise, so, I don't know wtf people are complaining about.
I guess it's popular to hate on Xbox.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Maybe. Who knows.
At some point you got to cut the cord.
Even PCs do. How many modern AAA games can be played on an old ass spec PC running Windows XP or 7? Even if you run the game at the lowest settings you might not get it to run. It's called...... "minimum spec requirements"
At some point you got to cut the cord.
Even PCs do. How many modern AAA games can be played on an old ass spec PC running Windows XP or 7? Even if you run the game at the lowest settings you might not get it to run. It's called...... "minimum spec requirements"
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DeltaPolarBear
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So why is it that you are sayijng it is bad that Sony didn't have decent exclusives at launch with PS3, but then say iti s fine when Microsoft is doing it? Be consistent. We made fun of Knack for years, as we should. And now you say we can't make fun of MS doing the same with 1 year delays of next gen exclusives?
CyberPanda
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DeltaPolarBear
Member
I am not sure what is new about what is written there. But what is missing is the result of this business plan; namely, if the hardware is no longer important, then the hardware would become the millstone around Xbox.
Hardware is expensive to design, to produce, and to market. And the margin is razor thin. Unless the hardware reaches sales targets, it would not make economic sense to continue to make and sell consoles.
I know what other people are saying; that "you can branch out but still support Xbox consoles". But i really, really doubt it. Console Hardware is hard to get right, and if you don't take it seriously and support it 100%, it wouldn't be viable at all.
Psykodad
Banned
You don't need 10/10 games, but it's smart to have games that show you something that can't be done on last-gen consoles.
BlackTron
Member
I get why, they don't want to abandon what install base they have or make the One X an expensive brick too fast.
In the other hand, this makes the Series X hypeless and pointless. May as well wait two years when it will be cheaper anyway.
I wonder what features Halo will have on Series X that won't work on old hardware? I mean, everybody is still playing the same game online, right? So what's it going to be?
The really bad thing is, this way old hardware will hold back design of new games. An old CPU will need to be able to run the game. All this extra horsepower will probably just go into graphics settings, like skinning an old game that still plays exactly the same way anyway.
It's held back PC gaming, and now it's holding back next gen too lol.
In the other hand, this makes the Series X hypeless and pointless. May as well wait two years when it will be cheaper anyway.
I wonder what features Halo will have on Series X that won't work on old hardware? I mean, everybody is still playing the same game online, right? So what's it going to be?
The really bad thing is, this way old hardware will hold back design of new games. An old CPU will need to be able to run the game. All this extra horsepower will probably just go into graphics settings, like skinning an old game that still plays exactly the same way anyway.
It's held back PC gaming, and now it's holding back next gen too lol.
Chairman Tickles
Banned
So it's just a windows 10 pc that can emulate prior xbox games and run games released in future for windows 10.
OH well.
OH well.
Ascend
Member
That's not what I said at all. The one I was replying to basically said they are interested in Sony because they have more games. I simply reminded him of the PS3 not having that.
Then I mentioned that I do not mind few games at launch. No inconsistency here.
KormaChameleon
Member
Gran Turismo 7 coming out in 202X.
Hobbygaming
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I saw somewhere that they have more teams now working on Gran Turismo 7 so I'm optimistic
Freedom Gate Co.
Banned
The consoles will still have third party exclusives, just there won't be any MAJOR first party exclusive for around a year if not a bit earlier. Smaller titles may still be a thing.
ruvikx
Banned
Better looking games? aka the whole point of upgrading hardware. I bought a ps4 at release for Assassin's Creed Black Flag & the remaster of Tomb Raider which was released early the following year. Both were of course previous gen titles & both were of course also available on Xbox & PC as well.
On a personal note I'm finding the intrusion of console fanboyism in discussions here somewhat grating over the past few weeks. I have a ps4 (as I've already stated) & an Xbox One X. I like both, have enjoyed both & I'll certainly expect all the third party titles + cross platform titles to perform extremely well on the Series X late this year & in 2021. So what's the problem? One of my favorite games from this gen, i.e. Alien Isolation, had a PS3 & Xbox 360 release as well. Whoop-de-do, because it still looked & ran a hell of a lot better on the ps4.
That's why "people" will buy the Xbox Series X. Because the same rule applies to all games.
Well this is strange. Since the first XBOX I've always had a Microsoft box, and a Nintendo box in my home. This makes me feel like I should wait to buy one, or perhaps not at all depending on how long this will go on for.
If games are going to be held back so they can be cross generation completely,(as in no "only possible on...) why would I buy it? Who's idea was this?
This is terrible messaging.
If games are going to be held back so they can be cross generation completely,(as in no "only possible on...) why would I buy it? Who's idea was this?
This is terrible messaging.
AnotherOne
Member
Stupid decision if you ask me..oh no one asked me? Okay I'll shut up.
Ar¢tos
Member
The idea was beta tested in the future, same as TV TV TV Sports box 7 years ago.
Companies have bad ideas all the time (vita proprietary cards/cables, example), it's a mystery how they get approved.
It almost seems like a case of "if it's not broken..."
Saying this, after the disastrous launch of the One seems just plain stupid as it sends a wierd messege to potential buyers. It's not like they have a massive 100million installed base of players(hell the switch passed it recently)to appease. This is also a huge chance as well. What if the launch is poor? How much does that damage the brand as a whole?
This seems like something they should have kept internal, not something announced to the public. It's turned me off completely.
HeresJohnny
Member
Nice of them to tell me I don't need to consider buying one for at least a year post launch. Thanks Microsoft!
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Sony is Planning Cross-Generation Gameplay Between PS4 and PS5 | Digital Trends
Cross-play and cross-saves are all the rage with gamers these days and Sony could embrace the ideal to ease the transition into the next generation. In an interview, PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan shared that Sony is planning to offer cross-generational gameplay between the PS4 and PS5.
www.digitaltrends.com
They will abondon them eventually - postponing it a year or two is hardly changing the formula of the 'gen-cycles'. As others have mentioned, this is likely a case of Microsoft not having next-gen developed software ready for their new console in 2020.
Why would MS invest billions in engineering and marketing of a whole new console, untethered from baseline of XBO, if it is basically meant as an XBO-X+? If MS market their next console as a mere upgrade to the existing gen, they would see sales appropriate to it, ie. marginally smaller than the respective base model as seen with both OneX and PS4Pro. There is a point where you cannot just scale down textures and resolution in a game to make it run on the base hardware, and that point is called next-gen.
People buy next-gen consoles in millions because you can play the newest games there, and only there.
McHuj
Member
it’s not just looks. Games can’t be designed to take full advantage of the upgraded CPUs and SSDs if they are held back by shitty CPUs and mechanical drives of yesteryear.
CyberPanda
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You’re not allowed to post thatSony is Planning Cross-Generation Gameplay Between PS4 and PS5 | Digital Trends
Cross-play and cross-saves are all the rage with gamers these days and Sony could embrace the ideal to ease the transition into the next generation. In an interview, PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan shared that Sony is planning to offer cross-generational gameplay between the PS4 and PS5.
Bkdk
Member
what It means is just titles will be made exclusively for the xbox x series power and not exclusively released on Xbox x series right? I just wanna play them all on PC not only on Xbox x series.
also flight and AOE4 will be made witH options making use the supreme power of the PC anyway and likely to be released end of 2020 anyway.
also flight and AOE4 will be made witH options making use the supreme power of the PC anyway and likely to be released end of 2020 anyway.
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I don't see a problem here. Many 3rd partys will release for the old consoles as well for some time and they already said that big games like Halo will take advantage of the series X. Just google how many games were released for ps3 and 360 in 2014 and end of 2013.
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Ar¢tos
Member
I guess they know they can't beat Sony globally and are focusing on services. Selling a X1 or XseX game is the same for them.
XseX is probably being launched to keep as much from the US market (and maybe UK) away from Sony as possible.
If they do a good gamepass+xcloud deal anyone with even a X1S can enjoy "nextgen" games in US (EU internet speeds vary a lot per country). They know they can be profitable (like they already were this gen) but this time they can focus more on what will give them the most profit (hardware itself doesn't give profit to either Sony or MS).
Microsofts long-term goal ist not to sell as many consoles as possible otherwise they wouldn't release all their exclusives and the game pass on Pc and with XCloud on tablets and smartphones.
The long-term goal is dominating the market with subscriptions and services. You don't make the money with hardware you make it with software. Sony will sell much more consoles next gen again without any doubt, but i think in like 10 years Microsoft will make more money with gaming than Sony.
those will likely also come to PC. So it doesn't really matter.
Rightisright
Banned
Playground Games currently has 86 open positions on the go.
At this rate they are headed to be MSs biggest studio.
At this rate they are headed to be MSs biggest studio.
Windows-PC
Banned
I'm absolutely fine with this, and I think it's very consumer friendly and great for gamers who recently purchased an XBox One 
From now on every first party game will be developed with XBox Series X as the lead platform in mind, and then the game will be downported to the XBox One. So there should be no issues, and everyone who still thinks that this will hold back the mighty power of the XBox Series X has no clue about video game development
From now on every first party game will be developed with XBox Series X as the lead platform in mind, and then the game will be downported to the XBox One. So there should be no issues, and everyone who still thinks that this will hold back the mighty power of the XBox Series X has no clue about video game development