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[Wonko_C]

Phil Spencer Hopes VR Will Become a 'No-Brainer' for Xbox in Future | XboxAchievements.com

Head of Xbox Phil Spencer has spoken again about the future of Xbox and VR, stating that his hopes for VR are that it doesn't go away, an...

www.xboxachievements.com

Waiting for the right moment makes sense but it is also a double-edged sword. It could become hard to catch-up to competitors.

 

[JAMMA]

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[johntown]

Maybe they will revive Kinect?

 

[Slings and Arrows]

I wonder if Phil Spencers' middle name is Phlop

Phillip Phlop Spencer, because he's always back and forth on his message.

 

[Romulus]

"The next step change for gamers and game developers must deliver true 4k gaming and high fidelity VR" - Phil Spencer

Okay wow, i didnt know he said this. He's all over the place. That wasn't long ago either. I never paid too much attention to him but its absolutely clear they have no idea what they want to do. I wouldn't be surprised at anything they pull now.

 

[Dural]

I can't understand why they wouldn't support the PC VR headsets. If they don't want to make their own hardware that's fine, they already have the software there with WMR.

 

[Azelover]

I'm not interested in owning a VR set in my home.

I played a very good one at the mall a while ago. I think it was probably PC based. And it was fun for like 5 minutes, and then I started getting a headache.

In my opinion VR is a lot like 3D movies. People like to use it in a theatre setting(or at the mall in the case of VR), but not at home.

 

[Romulus]

I'm not interested in owning a VR set in my home.

I played a very good one at the mall a while ago. I think it was probably PC based. And it was fun for like 5 minutes, and then I started getting a headache.

In my opinion VR is a lot like 3D movies. People like to use it in a theatre setting(or at the mall in the case of VR), but not at home.

Was that your first time trying VR?

 

[Wonko_C]

I can't understand why they wouldn't support the PC VR headsets. If they don't want to make their own hardware that's fine, they already have the software there with WMR.

I'm just guessing here but maybe supporting multiple different headset configuration and controllers would be too much hassle for the console and the devs.

There's also the possibility of licensing and stuff, maybe Oculus wouldn't want their headset to work on Xbox if there wasn't anything for them to gain.

And having multiple headsets of varying quality and performance would just be a bad look for Xbox. WMR headsets are already inferior to Oculus' inside-out tracking, imagine how would that look if PlayStation comes out with a PSVR2 that is wireless and has superior features?

 

[DarthBuzzer]

Phil literally just said on the Gamertag Radio episode 1000 that there won’t be any VR support on XSX.

/ENDTHREAD

He said at launch.

 

[DarthBuzzer]

I'm not interested in owning a VR set in my home.

I played a very good one at the mall a while ago. I think it was probably PC based. And it was fun for like 5 minutes, and then I started getting a headache.

In my opinion VR is a lot like 3D movies. People like to use it in a theatre setting(or at the mall in the case of VR), but not at home.

By the time Xbox gets serious with VR, you'll be getting more headaches in non-VR than actual VR technology, as the vergence accommodation conflict will have been solved.

 

[VindicatorZ]

I'm not interested in owning a VR set in my home.

I played a very good one at the mall a while ago. I think it was probably PC based. And it was fun for like 5 minutes, and then I started getting a headache.

In my opinion VR is a lot like 3D movies. People like to use it in a theatre setting(or at the mall in the case of VR), but not at home.

Interesting, because I play for hours all the time on the Valve Index at home, and am looking forward to sinking in serious time with Half Life Alyx.

 

[Gargus]

I dont care about it on a Microsoft system. A gimmick isn't going to convince me to buy another system of theirs. Their problems that keep me away have nothing to do with lack of vr or any gadget.

 

[MacReady13]

I dont care about it on a Microsoft system. A gimmick isn't going to convince me to buy another system of theirs. Their problems that keep me away have nothing to do with lack of vr or any gadget.

Curious to know what problems they are? I know their lack of exclusives would be 1 of them...

 

[Romulus]

Curious to know what problems they are? I know their lack of exclusives would be 1 of them...

Exclusives has to be it. The brand was built around great games that gave the xbox an identity. Now everything is on PC day one.

 

[Techies]

Interesting, because I play for hours all the time on the Valve Index at home, and am looking forward to sinking in serious time with Half Life Alyx.

Same, I was shocked to see I did 30 hours in Walking Dead and around 15 hours in boneworks.
If a game is well designed, fatigue and comfort becomes the big issue.

Just tried GTA V in VR, was awesome, but I needed to lay down for like an hour.
Those cutscenes make for a great use case of what works and what does not work in VR if you just outright directly convert the game.

 

[MacReady13]

Exclusives has to be it. The brand was built around great games that gave the xbox an identity. Now everything is on PC day one.

I am out with Xbox next gen. They seem so all over the place in terms of what they want. Just make the focus console exclusive games. I honestly don't understand why they feel the need to make a console next gen when you can play all their games on PC! Either stick with 1 or the other...

 

[Romulus]

I am out with Xbox next gen. They seem so all over the place in terms of what they want. Just make the focus console exclusive games. I honestly don't understand why they feel the need to make a console next gen when you can play all their games on PC! Either stick with 1 or the other...

Yup. Same for me and millions of others.

 

[Romulus]

Same, I was shocked to see I did 30 hours in Walking Dead and around 15 hours in boneworks.
If a game is well designed, fatigue and comfort becomes the big issue.

Just tried GTA V in VR, was awesome, but I needed to lay down for like an hour.
Those cutscenes make for a great use case of what works and what does not work in VR if you just outright directly convert the game.

I went almost 5 hours in walking dead vr with only a bathroom break. Incredible game.

 

[MacReady13]

Yup. Same for me and millions of others.

If they were smart and listened to its customers (seriously, why not allow for VR support using 3rd party headsets like Oculus and Vive)???

 

[The Alien]

funny how you don’t show how many people and who exactly have been asked. ☺

Exactly.

By this poll, more are interested in developing fornStadia than XBox. I'd like to see that put in action and then see how many of those devs stay in business.

 

[Bernkastel]

Microsoft to integrate Mixed Reality with WCOS, reveals new job opening - MSPoweruser

The much-hyped WCOS, short for Windows Core OS, is currently being developed for “next-gen” Windows devices such as Surface Neo. While we don’t know much about WCOS as of yet, new job opening on the official Microsoft website reveals an important feature that Microsoft is planning to develop for...

mspoweruser.com

 

[quickwhips]

Maybe theleastword will chime in on how they are copying sony again. I love me some drunk theleastword. Microsoft should just support the winner at the end.

 

[Pallas]

Microsoft to integrate Mixed Reality with WCOS, reveals new job opening - MSPoweruser

The much-hyped WCOS, short for Windows Core OS, is currently being developed for “next-gen” Windows devices such as Surface Neo. While we don’t know much about WCOS as of yet, new job opening on the official Microsoft website reveals an important feature that Microsoft is planning to develop for...

mspoweruser.com

That’s interesting, will Series X be using WCOS at launch? They mention it’ll be used for gaming but wasn’t specific if it’ll be on the Series X or some future console beyond Series X.

 

[Bernkastel]

That’s interesting, will Series X be using WCOS at launch? They mention it’ll be used for gaming but wasn’t specific if it’ll be on the Series X or some future console beyond Series X.

Xbox Series X will use Gamecore in Windows Core OS. This will let them make one game which will work on both Series X and Windows 10.
Windows 10X for Surface Neo(Surface Hub 2 will also get Windows 10X) is also Windows Core OS. And also Windows 10 MR(Microsoft's VR platform).

 

[Dane]

Microsoft to integrate Mixed Reality with WCOS, reveals new job opening - MSPoweruser

The much-hyped WCOS, short for Windows Core OS, is currently being developed for “next-gen” Windows devices such as Surface Neo. While we don’t know much about WCOS as of yet, new job opening on the official Microsoft website reveals an important feature that Microsoft is planning to develop for...

mspoweruser.com

I read about this OneCore thing and.... Sounds like a PC mode in the Xbox SX could be plausible.

 

[LMJ]

I am genuinely interested in people who saw PSVR as a dead end if their opinion is still the same with the SX...

DynamiteCop! I remember we debated in regards to support for the PSVR, where your OP stated Spencer was wise to abandon VR...

Not trying to start anything, do you think the same way now that we "officially" know The SX's specs?

 

[DynamiteCop!]

I am genuinely interested in people who saw PSVR as a dead end if their opinion is still the same with the SX...

DynamiteCop! I remember we debated in regards to support for the PSVR, where your OP stated Spencer was wise to abandon VR...

Not trying to start anything, do you think the same way now that we "officially" know The SX's specs?

Yes, unless they can get unbridled PC level game support i.e. basically unfiltered; console VR of any kind is simply not worth it.

Microsoft however does have a better shot if they wanted to do it because their console is running Windows and Direct X. Theoretically it could just run the PC versions with PC headsets.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I think it would be cool to just partner up with Rift support, and set up a separate VR storefront. It really takes no significant effort or cost to just allow a 3rd party device to work, and take their cut from the storefront, and clearly the XSX is powerful enough to run VR.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

The mental gymnastics in this thread is getting me hyped up for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics!

 

[HolyTruth]

Nah. VR is a gimmick. Gets boring really quick.

 

[Shin]

Who knows, they seem to work with AR/VR and the likes in different section except the console.
Unrelated video most likely, but just saw it so posting cuz it's build with Microsoft and Valve.

 

[Shmunter]

Doesn’t work with xCloud, so you can’t have it due to the long game.

 

[ph33rknot]

They need some

 

[Bernkastel]

Microsoft release Mixed Reality app to let developers sample their free Mixed Reality Toolkit VR controls - MSPoweruser

MRTK-Unity is a Microsoft-driven project that provides a set of components and features, used to accelerate cross-platform MR app development in Unity. The project provides basic building blocks for Unity development on HoloLens, Windows Mixed Reality, and OpenVR and enables rapid prototyping...

mspoweruser.com

 

[phil_t98]

Microsoft release Mixed Reality app to let developers sample their free Mixed Reality Toolkit VR controls - MSPoweruser

MRTK-Unity is a Microsoft-driven project that provides a set of components and features, used to accelerate cross-platform MR app development in Unity. The project provides basic building blocks for Unity development on HoloLens, Windows Mixed Reality, and OpenVR and enables rapid prototyping...

mspoweruser.com

That’s Tony Starks mancave right there

 

[INC]

They're teaming up with HP and valve already

And ripping off the rift s

Still wanna specs still tho, could be a great mid tier headset

WMR is horrific tho, just stick to steam

 

[Bernkastel]

They're teaming up with HP and valve already

And ripping off the rift s

Still wanna specs still tho, could be a great mid tier headset

WMR is horrific tho, just stick to steam

The upcoming hp headset is definitely not a mid tier one.

 

[INC]

The upcoming hp headset is definitely not a mid tier one.

Well rumour have it they're trying to be around the rift s price (mid tier)

Why would valve make a high tier headset to compete with the index?

Its inside out tracking, cant see that being anything but mid tier

Let's see

 

[Bernkastel]

Well rumour have it they're trying to be around the rift s price (mid tier)

Why would valve make a high tier headset to compete with the index?

Its inside out tracking, cant see that being anything but mid tier

Let's see

Windows Mixed Reality has Steam VR support, does not mean Valve is involved with the hardware.

 

[INC]

Windows Mixed Reality has Steam VR support, does not mean Valve is involved with the hardware.

Says here it's with valve
Unless I heard wrong

 

[Resenge]

Says here it's with valve
Unless I heard wrong

You are correct. Microsoft is partnering with HP and Valve on the new Reverb G2 headset.

 

[JCK75]

What I think their best move is, is to just support existing hardware such as Windows Mixed reality and Steam VR so people have lots of choices, I'd love to be able to take my Vive downstairs and just use it with my Xbox (I even have a spare sets of lighthouses already so this works awesome for me).. I also have a Samsung Odyssey+ Windows Mixed reality set that I'd be glad to use that way as well.
I mean all they need to connect is HDMI and a USB port, so they could release an adapter that splits the HDMI signal and be done with it.

 

[Rudius]

Microsoft won't invest in VR and that's the main reason my money will go to Sony.

 

[Pallas]

I still think it’s a mistake that Microsoft isn’t bringing VR support to series X abd investing in it.

 

[kuncol02]

Windows Mixed Reality has Steam VR support, does not mean Valve is involved with the hardware.

Head strap, "headphones" and whole face interface of Reverb G2 looks like it's taken straight from Valve Index. Even materials on leaked images are identical to used by Valve.

Microsoft won't invest in VR and that's the main reason my money will go to Sony.

Microsoft has his own VR ecosytem with wast line of headsets and now we are waiting for presentation of second generation devices (Reverb G2 has 4 instead of 2 tracking cameras). How can you say, that they don't invest into VR ?

 

[nikolino840]

Microsoft won't invest in VR and that's the main reason my money will go to Sony.

On console..but Microsoft now have 2 headset for VR + hololens
So you can chose pc or console for VR

 

[The Hamburglar]

I think you think about this too much.

 

[rofif]

VR doesn't have a viable and sustainable market not only from a hardware perspective but also in terms of developers. The install base is tiny, the hardware is expensive, the experiences are hard to elongate due to fatigue, not everyone can enjoy it without getting motion sickness, and most of the games which release for it are indie level development, bite sized experiences or shovelware.

Does VR have a place in gaming? Sure, but it's not worth its salt yet to bother with from an investment standpoint. Even if you look at something like PSVR it has completely stagnated, there's rarely anything new or worth getting and few bother porting their games to it.

Microsoft has more important things to worry about that will actually reach people.

I don't understand the critique of your post. I've had vr headsets since 2013 and they kinda suck and the software is shit once You get over novelty factor.
There are just few great titles but after alyx some of these lost all charm lol.
It's still worth getting even if for half life alone

 

[Rudius]

On console..but Microsoft now have 2 headset for VR + hololens
So you can chose pc or console for VR

I prefer consoles; should have specified that.

The Xbox Series X will be powerful and relatively much cheaper than an equivalent PC. If they support the new WMR headsets on Series X I will buy it (Flight Simulator, Forza and Halo would be awesome in VR ); if not, will get just the PS5 + PSVR 2.