Xbox UI coming to Windows 10. Could we have Xbox PC Consoles?

#51
I know, what I'm saying is those Steam features would still be built in to the underlying Win32 Steam application and games.

The Steam UWP app would simply be a front end, which lets you load a shortcut to a Win32 application installed on your PC and load the underlying Win32 Steam bootstrapper as well.
Nope, if you want to access S Mode, Polaris and in the near future Xbox UI on Windows 10, it'll need UWP and Microsoft Store policy doesn't allow shortcuts to other programs/games since that'll open up malware.
 
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#52
So this Xbox UI is it really coming to PC along with the Xbox OS with it's API and everything.
So for example would we be able to play Kingdom Hearts 3(an Xbox One/PS4 game) on our PCs through the XBox UI
Also when is this Xbox OS coming to PC
 
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Jagz

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#54
Nope, if you want to access S Mode, Polaris and in the near future Xbox UI on Windows 10, it'll need UWP and Microsoft Store policy doesn't allow shortcuts to other programs/games since that'll open up malware.
Right, but the idea I'm presenting is an OS that still has the ability to run Win32 apps, but the top end is all built on UWP. As for malware, that wouldn't apply to games you download through Steam, so Microsoft could make an exception there for Steam.
 
#55
Right, but the idea I'm presenting is an OS that still has the ability to run Win32 apps, but the top end is all built on UWP. As for malware, that wouldn't apply to games you download through Steam, so Microsoft could make an exception there for Steam.
Microsoft will never do that. Microsoft can only get the Steam app itself as an exception, however you can't do that for all Steam games.

The closet thing to what you're saying is S Mode, which has native Win32 and not virtualised Centennial Win32. But even then I don't think Microsoft will allow Win32 apps to appear on the Xbox UI.
 

Jagz

Neo Member
#56
Well, that's the point of my comments; I'm stating what I think Microsoft should do and exceptions they should make, not whether they are going to or not.

A TV-friendly version of Windows, that's compatible with all Windows software and completely navigable with a gamepad, would benefit products like HTPC's, Intel's upcoming gaming NUC's and Steam Machines.
 
#57
As long as this UI doesn't replace actual windows 10 functionality, I don't see the big deal. If anything, this is the first step in merging the ecosystems so whatever replaces the Xbox is in reality a Windows 10 machine that can run Steam, Office, etc.
 
#58
Personally I enjoy being able to play my games on the couch. The idea of mouse and keyboard for consoles will completely defeat the purpose of having a console in my opinion.
 

Jagz

Neo Member
#61
Personally I enjoy being able to play my games on the couch. The idea of mouse and keyboard for consoles will completely defeat the purpose of having a console in my opinion.
Most PC games nowadays, aside from RTS and a few other genres, support gamepad almost by default, so you would still be playing them with a gamepad on the couch, etc.

The important question is - if we will be able to playXbox One licenses on PC, would they support keyboard and mouse?
Keyboard and mouse control is already supported in a number of XBOX Play Anywhere titles that are currently available, so that's already a reality.
 
#63
Ok let me break this down

The Xbox One OS is coming to Windows 10 PCs

It will be able to

1. Be a Gaming UI for controllers
2. Be able to play all Xbox One games on PCs natively

So practically it will be an Xbox One on PC right? If this is true this will be huge
 
#65
E3 will likely confirm what is going on in this space.
Not long now.
Oh man I hope it's this E3 and I really hope this expanded Xbox Play Anywhere is sometime this year though I heard it was 2019 but 123Dan123 could have just meant the whole Xbox PC thing.

If it's 2018 oh boy I would love to play the Xbox One X Enhanced version of Kingdom Hearts 3 on my PC
 
#66
I don't understand the endgame. Are console gamers still footing the bill with Xbox live and if so what are the benifits for console gamers? Cause if you can just play anything from xbox consoles on pc without paying for live & it's services like playing online they are just basically killing Xbox Live! I'm all for the Xbox being able to play pc drm free games on consoles as long it benifits the Xbox Live customer.
 
#68
I don't understand the endgame. Are console gamers still footing the bill with Xbox live and if so what are the benifits for console gamers? Cause if you can just play anything from xbox consoles on pc without paying for live & it's services like playing online they are just basically killing Xbox Live! I'm all for the Xbox being able to play pc drm free games on consoles as long it benifits the Xbox Live customer.
XBOX Game Pass will include XBL and will be mandatory for XBOX online services?
 
#69
No one on PC will pay for Xbox live. This service seems useless unless you are already paying for it, which means you already own an Xbox. I must be missing the point here.
 
#70
No because that's a pre UWP game. While It can be done via Streaming, but it won't be native unless it's converted into UWP.
In the article you linked the last paragraph says "The result of these important changes (which are coming since we know that the console is based on the x86 architecture) will take us to a world where Xbox One X can receive additional devices such as mouse and keyboard without the need for dedicated applications, since basically console will have a Windows 10 very similar to that of our computers, which will be responsible for installing the corresponding drivers, and on the other hand, will dramatically expand the Xbox Play Anywhere program, removing the current limitations and allowing 100% of the console catalog to be available for computers."

If current Xbox consoles can play older 360 games, why couldn't PCs? And any idea why the author believes it means 100% of the catalog is coming to PC?
 
#71
In the article you linked the last paragraph says "The result of these important changes (which are coming since we know that the console is based on the x86 architecture) will take us to a world where Xbox One X can receive additional devices such as mouse and keyboard without the need for dedicated applications, since basically console will have a Windows 10 very similar to that of our computers, which will be responsible for installing the corresponding drivers, and on the other hand, will dramatically expand the Xbox Play Anywhere program, removing the current limitations and allowing 100% of the console catalog to be available for computers."

If current Xbox consoles can play older 360 games, why couldn't PCs? And any idea why the author believes it means 100% of the catalog is coming to PC?

I think those games should be playable on PC as well they are converted to the UWP Xbox format

Unlike the emulation of original Xbox games on the Xbox 360, the Xbox One does not require game modification, since it emulates an exact replica of its predecessor's environment – both hardware and software operating systems.[16][17] The downloaded game is a repackaged version of the original that identifies itself as an Xbox One title to the console.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_backward_compatible_games_for_Xbox_One


"Yes."

Straight to the point. Exciting! But also: we wanted more. Thankfully, after letting that affirmative hang in the air for a few moments, Spencer elaborated.
"I want people to be able to play games!" he said. "[Emulation] is hard. [Xbox] 360 specifically is a PowerPC chip, emulated to x86, which is difficult. It's a little bit easier when you have a fixed spec, when you think about Xbox, Xbox One S, and Xbox One X. And you think of the variable specs of the PC space, so you're taking a fixed-spec PowerPC emulator and then moving it over to run on PC, so there's a lot of work there.

https://www.pcgamer.com/phil-spence...s-compatibility-and-xbox-play-anywhere-to-pc/
 
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#75
I think the big deal will be if Gamepass works on PC. If they can have gamepass work 100% on PC, and your PC boots up into the XBOX UI then that will be the game changer.

And honestly I think that is the future MS is going for. I think they would prefer to get out of the hardware space (its a huge sunk cost) and get into the service space. Thats also why they probably mentioned streaming at E3.

Ideal future for XBOX is you subscribe to gamepass and can stream it to a low power chromecast/firestick style device, or buy a powerful windows PC and download your games for 8K 120 FPS glorious gaming.
 
#76
I don't understand the endgame. Are console gamers still footing the bill with Xbox live and if so what are the benifits for console gamers? Cause if you can just play anything from xbox consoles on pc without paying for live & it's services like playing online they are just basically killing Xbox Live! I'm all for the Xbox being able to play pc drm free games on consoles as long it benifits the Xbox Live customer.
Turn windows store into the defacto software store for windows like Android and iOS have their dominate stores. It will have to be done with carrots and not sticks & getting rid of xbox live fees is a nice carrot. The 30% from getting folks seeing the windows store as the only safe place to buy software that will work on all hardware will more than makeup for any losses.

Win32 is being deprecated and uwp is not going to be open and wild like before. I think it will be a few years yet though before things like emulators, piracy, and steam disappear though the process is definately under way.
 
#77
I think the big deal will be if Gamepass works on PC. If they can have gamepass work 100% on PC, and your PC boots up into the XBOX UI then that will be the game changer.

And honestly I think that is the future MS is going for. I think they would prefer to get out of the hardware space (its a huge sunk cost) and get into the service space. Thats also why they probably mentioned streaming at E3.

Ideal future for XBOX is you subscribe to gamepass and can stream it to a low power chromecast/firestick style device, or buy a powerful windows PC and download your games for 8K 120 FPS glorious gaming.
There is some interesting work being down on predicting player inputs. It might get to the point where the game knows what you are going to do before you do, which means lag disappears. Of course, it might cause some existential anxiety for those who believe in free will.
 

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#78
I'd rather stick with the console form factor (love my Xbox One X), but building a custom PC with the ability to boot straight to Xbox UI sounds like a dream come true for powerusers. Damn, would build such a machine just to experience constant 60 fps gameplay.
 
#81
I hope this comes earlier rather than later

I mean Windows Core OS being this
Able to play all the Xbox One titles on my Windows 10 PC
I hope this comes out sooner rather than later like March 2019 so I can play KH3 on my Windows 10 PC and wait until Square actually makes a Steam version for it.
 
#83
Win32 is being deprecated and uwp is not going to be open and wild like before. I think it will be a few years yet though before things like emulators, piracy, and steam disappear though the process is definately under way.
This is nonsense. Both gamers and business are rejecting UWP because of it's closed nature. No one wants to use the Windows Store unless they really have to. Win32 isn't going away and Steam is NOT gonna disappear. In fact Steam is getting millions of new users each month.
 
#85
Turn windows store into the defacto software store for windows like Android and iOS have their dominate stores. It will have to be done with carrots and not sticks & getting rid of xbox live fees is a nice carrot. The 30% from getting folks seeing the windows store as the only safe place to buy software that will work on all hardware will more than makeup for any losses.

Win32 is being deprecated and uwp is not going to be open and wild like before. I think it will be a few years yet though before things like emulators, piracy, and steam disappear though the process is definately under way.
Oh please. That isn't a carrot. PC gamers already EXPECT to not have monthly fees. Further, UWP is built ON win32. How can win32 be deprecated when it's still the backbone of all software in Windows?

It's more accurate to say that Microsoft would prefer for people to make UWP dog shit so that they can get their % cut on the store instead of Valve.

Really, all it's going to take for Microsoft to lose everything is to piss people off a bit too much or do something a bit too stupid. If they really were to try to kill win32, that's basically the end of Windows. At that point, you might as well switch to Linux since you're getting fucked on compatibility anyway. I think Microsoft is smart enough to recognize this, but who knows?