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A Closer Look at How Xbox Series X|S Integrates Full AMD RDNA 2 Architecture
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Sorry, my phone slipped and I dunno how this post happened. I had a Covfefe moment. Lol. Commence with the thread.
MS: A Closer Look at How Xbox Series X|S Integrates Full AMD RDNA 2 Architecture News
My hunch here on this is that XSX and XSS have a more complete programmable Front end with mesh shaders (vs. the older primitive shader type), the Hardware VRS, and the technical hw required for the next Version of tiled resources, which is called Sampler Feedback. And I think, without saying...
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Thirty7ven
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So... an off the shelf gpu.
M1chl
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Where did you get this die shot?Please, have a better look at this bigger image from the SeX SOC:
It's not there, it's simply not there!
Like I said cache is easily identifiable by eye, and I can't see this extra amount of cache here.
There's only one alternative, only one alternative that I'm willing to accept. Look at this:
See that bottom part below the CUs?
My alternative to this controversy is that Microsoft was forced by AMD to hide the Infinity Cache and it's in the "cropped" bottom from their die shot.
But still, why Microsoft didn't revealed the trick today with this news?
geordiemp
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MS: A Closer Look at How Xbox Series X|S Integrates Full AMD RDNA 2 Architecture News
My hunch here on this is that XSX and XSS have a more complete programmable Front end with mesh shaders (vs. the older primitive shader type), the Hardware VRS, and the technical hw required for the next Version of tiled resources, which is called Sampler Feedback. And I think, without saying...
Ah so its a dictator guessing on Era. Bet he would not post that at B3d lol
We will get some betrer hardware coverage soon.
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geordiemp
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Please, have a better look at this bigger image from the SeX SOC:
It's not there, it's simply not there!
Like I said cache is easily identifiable by eye, and I can't see this extra amount of cache here.
There's only one alternative, only one alternative that I'm willing to accept. Look at this:
See that bottom part below the CUs?
My alternative to this controversy is that Microsoft was forced by AMD to hide the Infinity Cache and it's in the "cropped" bottom from their die shot.
But still, why Microsoft didn't revealed the trick today with this news?
Its 5 MB scaled with Gddr6 PHY.
Thirty7ven
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So infinity cache is not RDNA2? Something isn’t adding up here. Always the same with MS.
DeltaPolarBear
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I am not sure what anyone is suppose to feel about this. At this point namedropping doesn't do anything, it is time to see results. Much like how PS3's Power of the Cell was basically theoretical and didn't get utilized for most of its life.
Just show the games that you are suppose to run and let people judge for themselves.
Just show the games that you are suppose to run and let people judge for themselves.
geordiemp
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Yes infinity cache is rDNA2 thats too expensive cost for both consoles.
Ps5 could not afford more CU than 40 with fast gating
XSX could not afford frequency gating per CU with 56 CU
So both are lacking.
Compromises are consoles. Both cut a different cloth. PR is PR.
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Insane Metal
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Anyone expecting huge differences between these consoles because of these news will be disappointed. Anyway, have fun.
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"My hunch here"MS: A Closer Look at How Xbox Series X|S Integrates Full AMD RDNA 2 Architecture News
My hunch here on this is that XSX and XSS have a more complete programmable Front end with mesh shaders (vs. the older primitive shader type), the Hardware VRS, and the technical hw required for the next Version of tiled resources, which is called Sampler Feedback. And I think, without saying...
Is this the same one that told him that PS5 would not have Hardware RayTracing?
smallpotatosan
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watch the wording guys. English is tricky
"Xbox Series X|S are the only next-generation consoles with full hardware support for all the RDNA 2 capabilities AMD showcased today "
XBX has full hardware support for all RDNA2 capabilities, i.e. DX12U + FidelityX. nothing new here. we all knew about it. but It doesn't even run at the game clock, let alone boost clock. It's funny that AMD needs to show the base clock of 6800 instead. AMD GPU has three clocks, base, game and boost. XBOX is running at the minimum clock of 6800. no nextgen game should run at that clock on RDNA2 on PC. something is weird there.
We also knew PS5 took some features out. So the statement is definitely true. not sure why everyone acted as if it is huge news.
"Xbox Series X|S are the only next-generation consoles with full hardware support for all the RDNA 2 capabilities AMD showcased today "
XBX has full hardware support for all RDNA2 capabilities, i.e. DX12U + FidelityX. nothing new here. we all knew about it. but It doesn't even run at the game clock, let alone boost clock. It's funny that AMD needs to show the base clock of 6800 instead. AMD GPU has three clocks, base, game and boost. XBOX is running at the minimum clock of 6800. no nextgen game should run at that clock on RDNA2 on PC. something is weird there.
We also knew PS5 took some features out. So the statement is definitely true. not sure why everyone acted as if it is huge news.
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Andodalf
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Consoles typically have lower clocks than PC parts due to their smaller power draw and thermal envelope. Additionally, these are APUs and not dGPUs, so lower clocks are to be expected no matter the form factor.
geordiemp
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They are lower clocks if you dont ahve specfic CU desigend with frequency gating. It tells you clearly how they acgiev the fast clocks.
No, a fixed 1.825 Ghz is not the same, but the money MS saved by skipping the fancy clocks and fast CU design allowed them more CUs with the console budget.
Also a long 14 CU array is not a short efficient data path on silicon (point 3 on slide). All fast chips have 10 CU.
2 ways to skin a cat. MS will be happy with their choice for server and XSX.
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It certainly won't matter when Geordiemp is done with 'massaging' the facts.
This wouldn't be much of an issue at all if the hardcore Sony fans hadn't nominated 'full RDNA 2' as a hill to die on.
There will be no admitting. No-one in the spec thread was wrong you heretic! Instead definitions will change, goal-posts will be moved and the circus will move onto a new town.
Epic Sax CEO
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Are you sure?
Because in the last week the sight of the PS5 GPU was "another proof":
See how long it is? People speculates that it's because of large amount of cache. However there's still doubt if this cache if the Infinity Cache for the GPU of if it's for the IO subsystem (Cerny himself said that the SOC have "generous amounts of cache").
So, rumors about Sonys custom RT solution might be true.
And the other features were already hinted in the xbox presentation that those are patented solutions, so Sony must have RDNA 1 featureset or some custom solutions for things (like RT). Explains why they still use the older version of the newer "mesh shaders". Must not be worse or better, but makes comparisons a bit more challenging ^^
btw, extra cache (like AMD infinity cache solution) is also a good way to increase chip size for better heat distributions without increasing the risk of chip failures (because sram is easy to fabricate and can easily have redundant parts to decrease chances of a bricked chip).
And the other features were already hinted in the xbox presentation that those are patented solutions, so Sony must have RDNA 1 featureset or some custom solutions for things (like RT). Explains why they still use the older version of the newer "mesh shaders". Must not be worse or better, but makes comparisons a bit more challenging ^^
btw, extra cache (like AMD infinity cache solution) is also a good way to increase chip size for better heat distributions without increasing the risk of chip failures (because sram is easy to fabricate and can easily have redundant parts to decrease chances of a bricked chip).
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Concern
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It certainly won't matter when Geordiemp is done with 'massaging' the facts.
This wouldn't be much of an issue at all if the hardcore Sony fans hadn't nominated 'full RDNA 2' as a hill to die on.
There will be no admitting. No-one in the spec thread was wrong you heretic! Instead definitions will change, goal-posts will be moved and the circus will move onto a new town.
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Sorry if this has already been posted, too many pages on this thread, but this seemed relevant: These tweets are part of the mega-thread around the KittyYYuko leak thread. Is this guy some insider? Because it reads as secret-sauce wishful thinking. The thing about RDNA2 being a...
I'll just respond with this gem here. Pushed this event so hard then avoided this thread like the plague lol.
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If DirectML SuperResolution is working by late next year, ill be spooked as shit.
But that will give the Series S such a damn boon.....hell the Series X will likely have a Framerate mode for every game where SuperResolution mode is used to get to 60/120fps where the competition without SuperResolution would need to find other ways to get there.
Kagey K
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Imagine pretending today was going to be some sort of Day of Reckoning and telling the entire forum today was they day we were going to see how 10>12 for weeks, only to end up with this thread being made instead.Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Sorry if this has already been posted, too many pages on this thread, but this seemed relevant: These tweets are part of the mega-thread around the KittyYYuko leak thread. Is this guy some insider? Because it reads as secret-sauce wishful thinking. The thing about RDNA2 being a...www.neogaf.com
I'll just respond with this gem here. Pushed this event so hard then avoided this thread like the plague lol.
There are 3 or 4 guilty of it, the smart ones are laying low while others double down.
MrFunSocks
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Somehow I think MS and AMD would know if the APU that they made is RDNA2 lol.
Stuart360
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He he, all the 'so close now' and constant RDNA1 fud in the safe space thread. Love it lol.
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LeftThumbstick
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Always the same people and i know exactly who you are referring to without even naming them.
MrFunSocks
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Do we have any comparisons between SuperResolution and DLSS? If the Series S/X has hardware support for that and the PS5 doesn't, and it's as good as everyone has been saying DLSS is, that would be a megaton, since now no one cares about native resolution and actively campaigns against native 4K now.
Concern
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3 or 4? More like 34 of these armchair engineers lol. Just shows you can't listen to anything these fanboys say.
Even posting disingenuous screenshots of df videos and etc. They should be banned for spreading garbage like that.
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longdi
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Dictator from DF is way more reputable and has more association with people in the industry than fakes troller like you.
We are still waiting for your credentials verification
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Based? Based on what?
longdi
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Can we report and ban posters who does this? This is pure FUD when MS already said other wise.geordiemp and some other guys are still trying to insinuate its RDNA1 somehow. Mind boggling
This is also worse than PS5 variable clocks ban. Which after today we seen is still open to debate, so where is the big surprise hinted to wait for big navi details?
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MrFunSocks
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My ignore list is up to 54 people and I only add the worst of the worst. Every potentially positive xbox thread I go in now is missing 3/4 of the posts because those people always dominate them with concern. Most of the negative FUD Xbox threads from the thread lists are also hidden unsurprisingly lol.
Blond
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Meh if I cared about specs this badly I would build another PC which just isn’t in the realm of possibility right now with school and work promotions. But still, Can anyone TLDR a largely PlayStation gamer and casual PC gamer (Diablo 3, board game and city builders) what on earth this even means?
Hey man this might help you accept whatever the hell any of this news means. It’s literally plastic and metal, bro.
Hey man this might help you accept whatever the hell any of this news means. It’s literally plastic and metal, bro.
longdi
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Xbox is running at the game clocks of 6800. You get your eyes checked. Stop following Geordieboy FUD attempts.
Also 6800 is rated at a reasonable 250w, whereas the 2ghz game clocks sku have 300w ratings.
Also does the `up to` wording, AMD appended to boost clocks look familiar to you?
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CityHunter1981
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Sorry, we all know that XBOX in theory has more TF and should be faster, but everyone assuming that based on the information that only XBOX has full RDNA2 integration, is just a fanboy. No one knows what it means, it is possible that Sony removed some features because they felt they are not required or they have their own similar features.
Only time will tell, if it means something for the performance, but I assume that if Sony wanted full RDNA2 implementation, they could have, so they must have their reasons for not having it.
Only time will tell, if it means something for the performance, but I assume that if Sony wanted full RDNA2 implementation, they could have, so they must have their reasons for not having it.
Concern
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I don't really like the ignore function tbh. Its like sweeping shit under the rug. No matter what you do, the shit it still there.
MrFunSocks
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Yeah but some of these people have 10k+ posts of just constantly shitposting against MS, not even hiding it, so they clearly aren't getting banned. This is the only solution, as without using it this place is 10x more toxic and still proof of why the SonyGAF nickname came about and still sticks around. It does make following some threads hard though when people appear to be talking to no one cause they've quoted an ignored poster haha. I showed ignored posts in here so i could report the blatant console war posts. How people like ethomaz, geordiemp, thelastword, jimbojim, and all the other guys with "report me for trolling MS threads" haven't been banned permanently I don't know. To get that tag surely everyone realises that they aren't going to change?
AMD have their new GPUs that have a set of features both software and hardware that make up their RDNA2 architecture. The Xbox Series S/X support every one of those features, both software and hardware, meaning their APU has the hardware features to do the machine learning super sampling, raytracting, variable shader rates, etc. The PS5 does not support all of these features, so it's not a "full" RDNA2 APU. That's not to say that they can't do everything that the Xbox APU can, but if it does it would have to be through custom hardware or software. The problem with that is if AMD were making these APUs for Sony, and Sony's custom stuff was better than the RDNA2 feature that they're replacing, then why wouldn't AMD just do it that way instead? It doesn't really make sense. Sony have also been mum on if the PS5 has some features like Variable Shaders, Machine Learning, etc. That silence generally means that no, they don't have those features. The Super Resolution thing could be a massive win for MS if it's anything like nVidia's DLSS, as it would allow Xbox to render at lower resolutions and then use machine learning upscaling to hit 4K with supposedly very little visual difference. Rendering at a lower internal resolution would then allow devs to use more power on the graphics and effects, such as Ray Tracing, which the Xbox already has vastly better hardware for with the ~50% more CUs.
MS and AMD are fanboys? They literally said Xbox Series S/X are the only consoles that have full RDNA2 feature sets.
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I don’t understand how people think Xbox would be lying about their advantage over PS5. Xbox said the Series X is TWICE as powerful as the One X despite having 6.15 teraflops of gpu power of a significantly more efficient GPU. Xbox could’ve easily stated that the Series X is close to three times as powerful as the One X (when factoring RDNA architecture). I really believe Xbox will have a decent advantage over PlayStation in third party games.
MrFunSocks
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It will most likely play out like the 360/PS3 generation. Games will essentially be the same, but the Xbox version will be slightly higher resolution, higher/more stable framerate, more/better effects. The PS5 versions will load half a second quicker.
ResilientBanana
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Well, when developing on PC, one would have the ability to do so. Between HZD and Death Stranding, I would expect Guerilla to be on the list since those games utilize that engine on PC. That answer is still pretty hazy, I think as this is proof of nothing until we get confirmation of these things running on the PS5.VRS is part of Fidelity FX
Some Fidelity FX users....
Rusty Shackelford
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Jaguar Victory
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Because it's nonsense. Suggesting that MS is wasting die space on FP16/8/4 for DirectML and Ray Tracing acceleration is salty as fuck. Those are real features.