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Blond
Banned
What exactly was I wrong about? that XSX has more compute? No man, that's a fact. Does it matter in the grand scheme of things? No again.
Doesn't any of this matter? No
More CPU power
More GPU power
Means better looking and running games
Means that the Xbox exclusives will look better than the PS5s
Means that the console with up to a 4tf difference, at whatever price point they release it at, will be a better value than the PS5
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Highway Star
Member
It's going to be a long year.
At least the reading will be fun.
At least the reading will be fun.
CJY
Banned
how is it better value if price vs. performance will likely be identical? Not getting you.
ClearMind
Report me for console warring (Xbot, Xbro etc.)
Nice of you to bring up that you are a enlightened playstation fan for the 4th time in this thread.
You want others to suck up to xbox fanboys as well?
Since you got nothing more to say...
CJY
Banned
Sure. Faster RAM and more compute is always gonna be better than less and more desireable than faster IO. I'm definitely not disputing that and I'm definitely not saying faster IO will "close the gap" like many are trying to suggest.
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CJY
Banned
Who's saying it does?
ClearMind
Report me for console warring (Xbot, Xbro etc.)
"52 cores vs. 36 cores"
Give us the rundown which tangible real world performance differences we should from 52 cores vs 36 cores.
ruvikx
Banned
This is just crazy. For real. Someone might want the best console versions of Call of Duty, GTA & Elder Scrolls so he buys the console with the best specs without even knowing what next year's COD, GTA 6 (which is years away from now) or Elder Scrolls VI is going to be like. I bought the ps4 because it had better specs & I knew third party games would run better on it.
Call me a moron.
yurinka
Member
I think the OP forgets two important points:
-PS5 GPU has higher frequency, which means those tasks that aren't related to the usage of multiple CUs will be faster than in Series X
-Compression: both consoles have dedicated hardware to decompress the SSD data that will be copied to the memory. Which means that the difference between SSDs is higher: PS5 copies 8-9GB of data in a second, Series X 4.8GB.
-PS5 GPU has higher frequency, which means those tasks that aren't related to the usage of multiple CUs will be faster than in Series X
-Compression: both consoles have dedicated hardware to decompress the SSD data that will be copied to the memory. Which means that the difference between SSDs is higher: PS5 copies 8-9GB of data in a second, Series X 4.8GB.
Both are confirmed to support 8K, but I assume AAA games will render natively at maximum 4K if they want to target 60fps or higher because it already requires a lot of horsepower specially if they will be using RT and crazy visuals. Then maybe they can use some upscaler as PS4 Pro had to turn it into 8K.
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SleepDoctor
Banned
"52 cores vs. 36 cores"
Give us the rundown which tangible real world performance differences we should from 52 cores vs 36 cores.
You going to pay for his time?
52 > 36
He can write a full page of info and you guys will continue to spin "ssd ssd ssd" . Just enjoy your 9.2 tf and move on if "its not a big difference".
MisterXDTV
Member
Well, I saw people writing that PS5 is so weak that it might hold next gen back....
What happens if Microsoft releases a 6TF console that needs to be supported through the whole gen?
It's a boomerang waiting to happen
For real? The difference is HUGE. Especially in a 4K screen.
CJY
Banned
I don't agree that everyone is saying that, but certainly anybody who is saying anything of the sort should be quickly brought down.
Based on you PS-centrism this gen, I guess I'm a little surprised that you're not more hyped about the SSD and how exciting that is for next gen. It's a true game changer in game design, but you're entitled to your opinion man.
Portugeezer
Member
We mostly saw resolution differences (the classic 1080p to 900p), some games this gen didn't even have differences in resolution or performance, FIFA and other spots games come to mind, and games like the Crew.
I don't understand why developers choose parity some times (easier to develop for or to avoid resolution wars?), but next gen is even closer in specs so I expect the same but even to a lesser degree. It will be up to XSX exclusives to fully utilise the 12tf, especially in 2022 when MS will finally ditch developing crossgen for XBONE.
I don't understand why developers choose parity some times (easier to develop for or to avoid resolution wars?), but next gen is even closer in specs so I expect the same but even to a lesser degree. It will be up to XSX exclusives to fully utilise the 12tf, especially in 2022 when MS will finally ditch developing crossgen for XBONE.
VFXVeteran
Banned
That's purely subjective. Better performance doesn't equate to better looking and better looking doesn't equate to better tech. Art is probably going to weigh-in more than tech. And let's give Sony props here - their 1st party companies have some extremely talented artists.
CJY
Banned
I didn't forget this point, just chose not to highlight it. I personally would take higher clocks over more CUs, especially if my cooling could handle it.
I've written in other posts how there will be many, many instances where PS5 will result in better performance than XSX, but I didn't want to stoke the fire more than I had to.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
I can’t help but wonder what this forum would look like if Cerny had unveiled a 13tf kit.
At the end of the day I’ll be happy with the PS5 and XsX. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out the PS5 is weaker when it comes to processing and rendering.
Everything is gonna work out
At the end of the day I’ll be happy with the PS5 and XsX. I don’t think it’s unfair to point out the PS5 is weaker when it comes to processing and rendering.
Everything is gonna work out
Armorian
Banned
I think PS5 will be the base version and once devs got that up and running the way they want they will add resolution/performance in XSX version. Just like many games this gen were 900p X1 on 1080p PS4, that was the difference with assets mostly the same.
Yeah that was example for game running in the same resolution on both consoles and we know that won't be the case in majority of titles.
MisterXDTV
Member
Blond
Banned
I feel like it would be much more level headed because the delta between them would be so miniscule that the biggest difference between them would literally be the games vs sperging out over an SSD.
Blond
Banned
While true, Gears 5 is still the best looking game on either console, base or enhanced.
ClearMind
Report me for console warring (Xbot, Xbro etc.)
Gotta check if I got 5 pennies lying around.
VFXVeteran
Banned
Blond
Banned
Just curious, what's your personal favoriteSubjective. But I respect your opinion.
ResilientBanana
Member
2.4GB/s is apparently bad? What?
Brofist
Member
Yeah that's a load of shit for sure
SleepDoctor
Banned
Yup cuz the difference from 1.4 to 1.8 tf is way bigger than 12.1 to a variable of 9.2 - 10.2 tf lol.
Best case is a whole ps4 difference. Worst case is 3 tf weaker.
That math tho lmao
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
SSD does not equate to speed, it wont magically turn your games into 120 fps.
JordanN
Banned
Yeah, the chart has its own bias injected into it.
I don't think it's hard to grasp the XSX is just the more powerful console. History already happened and there was a more powerful Xbox before.
CJY
Banned
Either is 17% extra Flops though in fairness. Games are not suddenly going to jump from 60 to 120.
I actually believe PS5 will have more games that run at 120fps simply due to VR, and Xbox aren't interested in VR.
Evilms
Banned
It's not bad but it's still bad compared to the 5.5GB/s of the PS5 (we're talking about 129% difference it's just huge).
llien
Member
You are telling 2080 owners that they were to dumb to buy 2080 over 2070.
But can't OC big chip the way you can OC a small chip. All those oversized thingies by NV run at lower clock.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
What console is more powerful is based off of individual judgement.
CJY
Banned
Nope, but 2080 if you can afford it. I probably would if I were deciding between the two.
But it's not a comparable situation to consoles where price, games, is a whole lot more important amongst other factors.
Games aren't as important on PC because they will run no matter what kind of GPU you have. Again, not comparable situations at all.
geordiemp
Member
Good trolling
Or have trouble reading, one of the 2.
Difference 4TF, I can confidently ignore everything you say and will not be diminished in what I learn.
Are you timdog ?
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
If you would have asked anyone on this forum before the specs were released if they would prefer a super fast SSD or better CPU/GPU, everyone would have said the latter. Now all of a sudden it's page after page of SSD speed and bandwidth nonsense.
The damage control is becoming laughable.
The damage control is becoming laughable.
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geordiemp
Member
No, everyone would agree, its the 15 % advantage that becomes 4TF brigade that is funny or huge differences thats funny in the dimishing performance world of 4k resolutions.
But, I can say this, both will run 4k60 with dynamic resolution, and 15 % advantage of course will be better on Xbox, something like native 90 % of the time vs 80 % of the time. Hooray....
I play on a LG C7 and i cant see 1800p vs 4K native anyway, but if it means you win then be happy. But its the fanboys making stuff up thats funny.
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Trogdor1123
Gold Member
Until we can compare in game it really doesn't matter