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Yikes, time to cancel John Cleese as he says "London isn’t an English city anymore". Burn all your Monty Python DVDs

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Isn't the point of the SJW's and mulitculturalist to make London not "English" anymore, but an amalgamation of various cultures, i.e. a "melting pot".

Why are they up in arms, isn't this the diversity they want? This seems to be the plan all along, erase Englands past/history/culture and replace it with cultures from around the world. I mean England is just known for its colonialism and Churchill was racist too boot, they never accomplished anything else great amrite?
 

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The Romans founded London in 50 AD. Perhaps people would take Mr Cleese more seriously if he wasn't currently living in Nevis.
 
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London's multiculturalism is supposed to be one of its most attractive features. I disagree, though.
Comfortable left-wingers are unlikely to come into contact with the bad side of London's diversity and multiculturalism because they deliberately go out of their way to avoid that side. That's why it's easy for them to dismiss any negative opinions.
 
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Isn't the point of the SJW's and mulitculturalist to make London not "English" anymore, but an amalgamation of various cultures, i.e. a "melting pot".
If they acknowledge that there is a native English populace, then that populace could in theory lay claim to the country and have their own unique interests that are juxtaposed to the Multiculturalists. This would be a TERRIBLE thing for the UK and send it back to the Stone Age(50 years ago) when it was primarily homogenous, possessed a low crime rate, and it's politicians weren't actively attempting to ethnically replace them to then celebrate it.
 

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I'm currently living in a timeline where the left cannot iron out the irony over virtue signaling.

*Popcorn*
 

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Would men and women living in London behave like this in the old days? The women in particular have the most unpleasant voices.
There's no sense of shame or self-restraint. No doubt this is a consequence of decades of increasingly liberal attitudes.
This is just a small example of the tension that exists within today's multicultural London.
 

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I noticed a bunch of YouTube videos about him recently but haven't watched them yet. Will watch now, thanks for the heads up.

First I will take a hammer to my DVD collection and if I see his face on Netflix I will close my eyes.
 

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Hitler killed Europe.

The radical leftist policies that have enabled the current situation gained the ground they have as a backlash to the Nazi's policies, like a rubber band effect.

It's ironic that Neo Nazis hold up Hitler and the Nazis as some great defender of Europe, Hitler, the man who bombed the shit out of Britain and gave the order to utterly demolish Paris when they were pulling out, an order which was too much for the general in charge of the operation and he disobeyed it, who had the Nazis steal and destroy priceless artwork, some defender of European culture.

The Nazis rocked the boat so much that they sank Europe, it just took a long time for the full effects to be felt.
 

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Hitler killed Europe.

The radical leftist policies that have enabled the current situation gained the ground they have as a backlash to the Nazi's policies, like a rubber band effect.

It's ironic that Neo Nazis hold up Hitler and the Nazis as some great defender of Europe, Hitler, the man who bombed the shit out of Britain and gave the order to utterly demolish Paris when they were pulling out, an order which was too much for the general in charge of the operation and he disobeyed it, who had the Nazis steal and destroy priceless artwork, some defender of European culture.

The Nazis rocked the boat so much that they sank Europe, it just took a long time for the full effects to be felt.
I would definitely say there's some truth to that particularly in regards to Germany. They are so ashamed of their past and afraid to be perceived as nazis again that they will gladly let foreign hordes come in and walk all over them. Thanks to Merkel, who's been in power since 2005 and the EU she spearheaded, this mentality has spread throughout Western Europe.
 

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London's multiculturalism is supposed to be one of its most attractive features. I disagree, though.
Comfortable left-wingers are unlikely to come into contact with the bad side of London's diversity and multiculturalism because they deliberately go out of their way to avoid that side. That's why it's easy for them to dismiss any negative opinions.
They don’t, they can’t. London is a city that two minutes walk away from your gated community (of which there are, but not many) there is socialised and regular housing. And properties available to rent by anyone. That’s just London’s structure. Unless you don’t leave your house you can’t help but come in contact with everything London offers by walking round a couple of blocks.

The government will carry on trying to make ghettos out of areas though.

Would men and women living in London behave like this in the old days?
Specify old days. The 1700s? The late 1800s? 1970?
 
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I would definitely say there's some truth to that particularly in regards to Germany. They are so ashamed of their past and afraid to be perceived as nazis again that they will gladly let foreign hordes come in and walk all over them. Thanks to Merkel, who's been in power since 2005 and the EU she spearheaded, this mentality has spread throughout Western Europe.
That's what every country does. For every stupid act they do, they'll

1. Try to avoid or gloss over it in history class. In Canada, there wasn't one history class I had that talked about the end result of Natives getting pushed aside into ghetto reservations due to British influence and securing lopsided deals. It was more about The War of 1812 and how Canada contributed to WWII

2. In real life, western countries will get on their hands and knees begging for forgiveness for eternity, where laws are pushed aside in favour of being seen as a generous giant to foreigners in hopes nobody digs up dirt from 200 years ago..... "Hey look at me! I'm a rich country that loved getting into world wars, so to make you happy here's a $20". On one hand, you got some dirt poor people where governments are cutting healthcare and skimping on social services, yet when there's a global crisis, a country like Canada gets on the podium giving out free cash like it's candy as if the government and every citizen is a millionaire and couldn't use a few bucks themselves. Just like office politics...... the whole "Perception Game" bullshit
 
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I’ve been lucky enough in my life to have traveled all around the world and visited many cities and can hand on heart say I don’t know about London not being English any more but it is a massive and let me emphasise massive shit hole. London is by far one of the worst cities I’ve been to and unfortunately I’ve been to it a lot.
 

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Would men and women living in London behave like this in the old days? The women in particular have the most unpleasant voices.
There's no sense of shame or self-restraint. No doubt this is a consequence of decades of increasingly liberal attitudes.
This is just a small example of the tension that exists within today's multicultural London.
What was that over? And what did she think she was going to do, stab them? lmao.
 

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They don’t, they can’t. London is a city that two minutes walk away from your gated community (of which there are, but not many) there is socialised and regular housing. And properties available to rent by anyone. That’s just London’s structure. Unless you don’t leave your house you can’t help but come in contact with everything London offers by walking round a couple of blocks.

The government will carry on trying to make ghettos out of areas though.



Specify old days. The 1700s? The late 1800s? 1970?
I live in an inner London borough that has recently seen a significant influx of young urban middle-class professionals. They simply don't mix with the people at the bottom end of society. They may have light conversation in passing or while they are being served in the supermarket, but that's as far as it goes.
They [the middle-class leftwing types] stick to their own cafes and restaurants and bars. Real London is nothing like the fake utopia depicted on EastEnders, where all the class and cultural differences have been eliminated. You don't, for example, see middle-class lefties befriending welfare-dependent single mums or ill-tempered ghetto black males.

These multiculturalists are the people who claim to love London's “ vibrant diversity”. But you only have to look at the friendship circles of such people to see that their idea of diversity is actually very narrow. Diversity for these dishonest individuals often translates to middle-class and left-wing in thought. Yet they will continue to portray themselves as lovers of diversity for whom discrimination is the worst possible sin.

In terms of atmosphere, London is a far more violent and unpleasant place to be than it was 50 years ago. But people here are often encouraged to not notice the change.
 
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The Romans founded London in 50 AD. Perhaps people would take Mr Cleese more seriously if he wasn't currently living in Nevis.
I think what Cleese is articulating is the absolute shift in the demographics of London in particular in the last 50 years. Yes, London itself was founded by the Roman's but since the 9th century it has been an ethnically and culturally English city. There have been minor populations of Jews, Dutch, huguenots since the 17th century, but its only post 1955 that London has experienced this level of immigration and "white British" emigration which has been nothing but a rapid extrapolation since that point. To witness this from a position of someone's of Cleese's age is to witness something never before seen in human history.

I think he has a point, London is with increasing rapidity, becoming disassociated from the rest of England, where English is still an ethnic term not a civil one, its culture is different, its politics clearly different.

While the rest of England still holds to a ethnic and cultural homogeneity that allows the social contract. London has become a conglomerate of the worlds rich and the world poor living cheek by jowl.
 

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I live in an inner London borough that has recently seen a significant influx of young urban middle-class professionals. They simply don't mix with the people at the bottom end of society. They may have light conversation in passing or while they are being served in the supermarket, but that's as far as it goes.
They [the middle-class types] stick to their own cafes and restaurants and bars. Real London is nothing like the fake utopia depicted on EastEnders, where all the class and cultural differences have been eliminated. You don't, for example, see middle-class lefties befriending single mums or ill-tempered ghetto black males.

These multiculturalists are the people who claim to love London's “ vibrant diversity”. But you only have to look at the friendship circles of such people to see that their idea of diversity is actually very narrow. Diversity for these dishonest individuals often translates to “middle-class and left-wing in thought”. Yet they will continue to portray themselves as lovers of diversity for whom discrimination is the worst possible sin.
What you’ve got going on is just gentrification but it looks like you’re talking about building friendships rather than merely “come into contact” from your first point. People tend to stick to their familial communities but London facilitates trade between those communities because they are forced to live near each other. While your middle class Londoner (and I’m talking about the one from money, not the economic migrant that has apparently installed itself into your situation) fetishises having that black, gay or poor artistic friend as they would a commodity the majority of people just interact with each other as normal. As they would in any neighbourhood.

Its the increasing ghettoisation of London that will drive further wedges into this and cause real issues, stuff we haven’t even thought about. If you think it’s bad now, wait until the money really moves out of the city. The problem with London is not it’s multiculturalism, it’s that a servant class of poor migrants has been created to work on the streets, in the toilets, and in the coffee shops for the benefit of the richer migrants.
 

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The problem with London is not it’s multiculturalism, it’s that a servant class of poor migrants has been created to work on the streets, in the toilets, and in the coffee shops for the benefit of the richer migrants.
And who do you assert is the creator of this class?
 

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I don’t think any one person is directly to blame for it. You?
That's not quite what I asked, I should have worded it better. Rather than it being an individual, which entity/group/class/etc. is responsible for the creation of your text that I put in bold. Or do you believe it was immaculate conception?
 

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That's not quite what I asked, I should have worded it better. Rather than it being an individual, which entity/group/class/etc. is responsible for the creation of your text that I put in bold. Or do you believe it was immaculate conception?
If the word “created” is throwing you off and you just want to discuss semantics because my reply didn’t hint that strongly enough then replace “has been created” by “exists”.
 

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OK, then how do you think what your statement that I put in bold text came into existence.

Or do you believe it was immaculate conception?
 

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What you’ve got going on is just gentrification but it looks like you’re talking about building friendships rather than merely “come into contact” from your first point. People tend to stick to their familial communities but London facilitates trade between those communities because they are forced to live near each other. While your middle class Londoner (and I’m talking about the one from money, not the economic migrant that has apparently installed itself into your situation) fetishises having that black, gay or poor artistic friend as they would a commodity the majority of people just interact with each other as normal. As they would in any neighbourhood.

Its the increasing ghettoisation of London that will drive further wedges into this and cause real issues, stuff we haven’t even thought about. If you think it’s bad now, wait until the money really moves out of the city. The problem with London is not it’s multiculturalism, it’s that a servant class of poor migrants has been created to work on the streets, in the toilets, and in the coffee shops for the benefit of the richer migrants.
For most people, the benefits of multiculturalism rarely goes beyond food. When I've asked people what's so great about London's multiculturalism, they will often say something vague like “you get to learn about different cultures”, before talking about the availability of food. How many Guardian-reading young left-wing Londoners really care about the nuances of Somali or Bangladeshi culture?
It can take years to understand the language and nuances of just one culture. Yet we are encouraged to believe that having lots cultures all competing for supremacy is beneficial and creates a more pleasant society. Most people have no significant interest in a culture outside of their own let alone several. That's why people often only talk about food when they are asked about the benefits of multiculturalism. It requires very little effort to enjoy Chinese or Lebanese cuisine. You don't have to understand the language or history or customs or anything to enjoy the food. This is the kind of low-effort distant multiculturalism that many of London's dishonest diversity enthusiasts actually prefer, but are unwilling to admit.
 
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OK, then how do you think what your statement that I put in bold text came into existence.

Or do you believe it was immaculate conception?
Well it’s a number of factors isn’t it? We want people to work for minimum wage in low skilled jobs and people who are happy to work for that wage come over to work in it. Then we want high skilled people to work in our service industries and people who could afford a university education to earn those placements come to work in those jobs. The power structure and divide of the traditional working class dynamic that says the first set are “working” while second set are “middle” makes the relationship between the two worse since the first set is made up of mostly first generation migrant labour and the second set by already affluent Brits and later-generational migrants. There is absolutely no upward mobility between these two subsets of the working class because there is an educational and monetary barrier preventing it.

Then compounding this you have the existing Londoners, the ones that are wealthy who have been in London for generations, and own their properties (usually to rent out to the migrants above) and the Londoners who have been in London for generations but have tradionally lived in council or social accommodation.

Yet we are encouraged to believe that having lots cultures all competing for supremacy is beneficial and creates a more pleasant society.
This is a little bit of a misunderstanding of multiculturalism. There is no advocacy in multiculturalism for one culture to reign supreme over another but that many cultures living together creates its own culture defined by the physical or geographical space those multiple cultures inhabit.
 
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Who is "we" ?

Where are your receipts? (I'm looking for empirical fact-based evidence of these claims, not opinion pieces.)
 
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Who is "we" ?

What receipts do you want?
I edited my earlier post to clarify this.

And you will need to make a distinction between 'what companies want' (a massively broad generalisation) and, specifically, evidence that supports the claim you put forward - which I'll repeat here:

The problem with London is not it’s multiculturalism, it’s that a servant class of poor migrants has been created to work on the streets, in the toilets, and in the coffee shops for the benefit of the richer migrants.
 
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Go to your local Pret and have a quick survey of the nationalities working there. Then ask them about their living conditions. There are also a number of articles about how, if UK were to leave EU, it would struggle to fill those low-skilled jobs. But anyway, as you asked, the most obvious one is here:


Table 3 on page 10 where you can see the distribution of “types of job done” vs where portion of the people doing those jobs comes from.
 

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Go to your local Pret and have a quick survey of the nationalities working there. Then ask them about their living conditions
I'm asking you. You made the claim.
There are also a number of articles about how, if UK were to leave EU, it would struggle to fill those low-skilled jobs.
Articles or fact-based evidence? Either way, you haven't provided them.

Table 3 on page 10 where you can see the distribution of “types of job done” vs where portion of the people doing those jobs comes from.
Page 8, you mean? In a document called "EEA workers in the London labour market"? This seems to be the case of taking your conclusion and then retrofitting arguments to support it.

You still haven't answered the question that supports the claim you put forward though:

The problem with London is not it’s multiculturalism, it’s that a servant class of poor migrants has been created to work on the streets, in the toilets, and in the coffee shops for the benefit of the richer migrants
You have shown correlation, but not the causation you assert.
You also, at no point in this exchange, have given agency to a particular party - whilst asserting agency and cause to others.
Why is that?
 

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You have shown correlation, but not the causation you assert.
You also, at no point in this exchange, have given agency to a particular party - whilst asserting agency and cause to others.
Why is that?
Causation that a new class has been created? Classes are arbitrary structures...

And what agency and cause have I asserted onto others?
 

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Causation that a new class has been created? Classes are arbitrary structures...

And what agency and cause have I asserted onto others?
Both are in the statement I have now quoted twice, and will quote a 3rd time:
The problem with London is not it’s multiculturalism, it’s that a servant class of poor migrants has been created to work on the streets, in the toilets, and in the coffee shops for the benefit of the richer migrants
I trust your own words are now clear to you.

My questions about your assertions have yet to be addressed though. If you would be so kind?
 

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Both are in the statement I have now quoted twice, and will quote a 3rd time:

I trust your own words are now clear to you.

My questions about your assertions have yet to be addressed though. If you would be so kind?
I have no idea who you’re asking for now. Maybe just an attempt at obfuscation. You can spell out like I’m a child exactly what you expect in terms of causal evidence, or you can refute my statement that multiculturalism is the problem.
 

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I live in an inner London borough that has recently seen a significant influx of young urban middle-class professionals. They simply don't mix with the people at the bottom end of society. They may have light conversation in passing or while they are being served in the supermarket, but that's as far as it goes.
They [the middle-class leftwing types] stick to their own cafes and restaurants and bars. Real London is nothing like the fake utopia depicted on EastEnders, where all the class and cultural differences have been eliminated. You don't, for example, see middle-class lefties befriending welfare-dependent single mums or ill-tempered ghetto black males.

These multiculturalists are the people who claim to love London's “ vibrant diversity”. But you only have to look at the friendship circles of such people to see that their idea of diversity is actually very narrow. Diversity for these dishonest individuals often translates to middle-class and left-wing in thought. Yet they will continue to portray themselves as lovers of diversity for whom discrimination is the worst possible sin.

In terms of atmosphere, London is a far more violent and unpleasant place to be than it was 50 years ago. But people here are often encouraged to not notice the change.
This also is for the netherlands. The people that shout the hardest for multicultural enviroments all live in white neightbourhoods and have there kids on white schools while they are at it. While the bottom of the line has no choice to deal with it because of them. And if they complain those hypocrits start to assault that bottom liner.

It's always hypocritical. bullshit.



Hitler killed Europe.

The radical leftist policies that have enabled the current situation gained the ground they have as a backlash to the Nazi's policies, like a rubber band effect.

It's ironic that Neo Nazis hold up Hitler and the Nazis as some great defender of Europe, Hitler, the man who bombed the shit out of Britain and gave the order to utterly demolish Paris when they were pulling out, an order which was too much for the general in charge of the operation and he disobeyed it, who had the Nazis steal and destroy priceless artwork, some defender of European culture.

The Nazis rocked the boat so much that they sank Europe, it just took a long time for the full effects to be felt.
It's all about the money.

Europe did pretty darn well after hitler. So no this isn't the case what you mention. Europe also has been through the ages one migration after the other and never had steady boarders throughout its history. It has been in endless war with each other and endless migrations.


A thing people don't like to hear but is the reality at the end of the day the work force is reducing massively in western country's because the western world is dying on population for lower skilled jobs for multiple reasons. There is a reason why pensions ages go up for older people simple for the fact that they need them or else the industry is going to have massive issue's. Company's want a big influx of low skill job workers and that's why mainly merkel stood at the gates of europe getting all those immigrants in . It satisfied company's so there productions for the next couple of decades are not going to struggle which is a increasing struggle every year after year. Yet there population isn't of new low skilled workers.
Because educations are better then ever and new children are lower then ever. the days are gone where we got 16 kids out of a family.

The problem however that arises out of this is and why right gets stronger and stronger on votes is because people are trapped in those influx of cultures they don't want anything to do with.

Then you have the social clash that is going to happen which maans people have different visions on this solution because they live in different enviroments because of it but also through weak leadership.

The difference is basically that the higher income kids are going to 100% white schools, the guy with no money has his kids mixed with 90% foreign cultures that the guy has no interest in but has no option to get them out of there and starts to get frustrated when his kids needs to obay towards rules in his own country that he doesn't agree with. Like has to appreciate kids with head scrafts that in his eyes are everything generations in front of him fighted for to get rid off on there own kids.

Guess what that guy is voting for, yea there you go.

Hate starts to spread. Elitists start to bomb media and come up with ways to keep the people in line because they simple do not see the problem or experience it and just see it as a minor thingy that only hateful people have.

Lower skilled workers start to get bullied through these outlets and start to lash out with votes.

Then you get the shock of high income people when elections happen because they can no longer feed there bullshit. And stuff like brexit / trump and other right party's rise while the media completely clashes because they simple did not understand the real issue's.

I can tell you one thing, if you want to protect your own culture. You will have to get a lot of kids that work in a lot of low skilled jobs. And with low skilled jobs i mean cleaning sewers. Yet nobody wants that, so there there is this eternal problem going on on this front with no solution which will result in a clash every single time at the end.

This is nothing new and this is something that happened with hitler also. If i asked people in my family about world war 2 they rather saw the jews go then stay. Jews where massively hated because of this concept. and people wanted to get rid of them big time by just ignoring the fact that they got shipped off to slaughterhouses.

Hitler 2.0 will simple rise up again if the immigrants start to take over city's and start to change rules where citizens of there own country's can not relate towards. Exactly what the jews did in ww2 in germany and other western worlds.

This is where strong leadership comes into which frankly the entire west lacks. And this will only speed up the Hitler 2.0 process.
 
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This also is for the netherlands. The people that shout the hardest for multicultural enviroments all live in white neightbourhoods and have there kids on white schools while they are at it. While the bottom of the line has no choice to deal with it because of them. And if they complain those hypocrits start to assault that bottom liner.

It's always hypocritical. bullshit.





Europe did pretty darn well after hitler. So no this isn't the case.
I said it was a slow process, it didn't happen overnight, but very gradually.

Hitler poisoned the well that is Europe, it was slow acting, but poison nonetheless.
 

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I have no idea who you’re asking for now. Maybe just an attempt at obfuscation. You can spell out like I’m a child exactly what you expect in terms of causal evidence, or you can refute my statement that multiculturalism is the problem.
I've already asked you very clear, very direct questions about your assertion and have been given the run around.
If you have the ability to put forward a claim as you did, you should also have the ability to support it just as easily.
Our exchange and your apparent difficulty in understanding clear, direct questions about something you chose to say is contrary to this.
 

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I've already asked you very clear, very direct questions about your assertion and have been given the run around.
If you have the ability to put forward a claim as you did, you should also have the ability to support it just as easily.
Our exchange and your apparent difficulty in understanding clear, direct questions about something you chose to say is contrary to this.
No you haven’t. I’ve asked for clarity of your question a couple of times and all you do is quote my own sentence back at me. It should be very easy to spell out exactly what you find so contentious.
 

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You apparently have the intelligence to put forward claims about socio-economics and multicultualism, but can't answer questions about your claims because things like "Who's 'we'" aren't clear enough?

This is from someone who provides a link to a PDF and tells me to look at something and can't get the page number correct?

And you even go so far as to argue that quoting your own words at you - words that it would be fair to say you are the authority on - is somehow a point of ambiguity for you??

Yeah, no.

I don't know how stupid you think I am, but I'd say you over-estimated.

We're done here.
 
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I've visited London about 5 years ago (business trip).
Can't recall "non English city" although, who am I, to know what that means.
Compared to Germany, higher number of (very calm and speaking perfect English) people with beards (mostly from Pakistan, I guess), higher number of Indians in general.

Statistically back then about 60% of those who lived in London where "non English" (but not all of them non-white though).
Shrug.

Linking "immigration blame" to EU is factually wrong, all you'd get from EU would be some Polish, some Czech, perhaps some Romanians, rarely Spaniards or Italians (unbearable weather). Those would come in numbers of tens of thousands. And most of those people are "white".
 

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Well it’s a number of factors isn’t it? We want people to work for minimum wage in low skilled jobs and people who are happy to work for that wage come over to work in it. Then we want high skilled people to work in our service industries and people who could afford a university education to earn those placements come to work in those jobs. The power structure and divide of the traditional working class dynamic that says the first set are “working” while second set are “middle” makes the relationship between the two worse since the first set is made up of mostly first generation migrant labour and the second set by already affluent Brits and later-generational migrants. There is absolutely no upward mobility between these two subsets of the working class because there is an educational and monetary barrier preventing it.

Then compounding this you have the existing Londoners, the ones that are wealthy who have been in London for generations, and own their properties (usually to rent out to the migrants above) and the Londoners who have been in London for generations but have tradionally lived in council or social accommodation.



This is a little bit of a misunderstanding of multiculturalism. There is no advocacy in multiculturalism for one culture to reign supreme over another but that many cultures living together creates its own culture defined by the physical or geographical space those multiple cultures inhabit.
I didn't say that multiculturalists advocate for the supremacy of one culture. What I'm saying is that individual cultural groups will naturally seek power when you lump together lots of different cultures and pretend it will all work out well if you just get rid of the “bigotry”.
If multiculturalism is such a great thing, why do we need so many so-called hate laws (which only seem to be growing in number)?
Multiculturalism was foundered on the dishonest principle that all cultures are equal and the misguided belief that most people naturally want to learn about other cultures. That isn't the case in the real world.
 
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If multiculturalism is such a great thing, why do we need so many so-called hate laws (which only seem to be growing in number)?
Multiculturalism was foundered on the dishonest principle that all cultures are equal and the misguided belief that most people naturally want to learn about other cultures. That isn't the case in the real world.
There are no London specific laws and I assume your question is rhetorical but the racial hate speech law in the UK was introduced 33 years ago, so that gives a 17 year window from 50 years ago (when it was all roses) to 1986 when this piece of hate legislation passed. So what happened in those 17 years to turn this country to shit? Did multiculturalism suddenly become a problem in 1986 only?

Unlike New Zealand that was constitutionally founded as a bicultural state, I cant see any evidence that London’s multiculturalism was founded as much as evolved and then got the multicultural moniker given to it in retrospect.
 

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There are no London specific laws and I assume your question is rhetorical but the racial hate speech law in the UK was introduced 33 years ago, so that gives a 17 year window from 50 years ago (when it was all roses) to 1986 when this piece of hate legislation passed. So what happened in those 17 years to turn this country to shit? Did multiculturalism suddenly become a problem in 1986 only?

Unlike New Zealand that was constitutionally founded as a bicultural state, I cant see any evidence that London’s multiculturalism was founded as much as evolved and then got the multicultural moniker given to it in retrospect.
There is undoubtedly a growing desire to police thought in this country. If people are naturally inclined to learn and appreciate other cultures outside of their own, then would such practices be necessary? Since all cultures are supposedly equal, why do people need to taught about “cultural differences”? Why are people encouraged to be “culturally sensitive”? Why are some sections of population discouraged from certain cultural practices? It's all supposed to be equal according to the correct-thinking multiculturalist, so surely these initiatives are unnecessary.

Multiculturalism has helped to cultivate this environment. It's ridiculous to throw together lots of different cultures – with vastly different values and attitudes – and to expect harmony. It's a fantasy that only exists in TV land.
In reality, the result of multiculturalism is an increasingly fragmented society where trust is low and people pretend to get along by merely “tolerating” one another.
 

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There is undoubtedly a growing desire to police thought in this country. If people are naturally inclined to learn and appreciate other cultures outside of their own, then would such practices be necessary? Since all cultures are supposedly equal, why do people need to taught about “cultural differences”? Why are people encouraged to be “culturally sensitive”? Why are some sections of population discouraged from certain cultural practices? It's all supposed to be equal according to the correct-thinking multiculturalist, so surely these initiatives are unnecessary.

Multiculturalism has helped to cultivate this environment. It's ridiculous to throw together lots of different cultures – with vastly different values and attitudes – and to expect harmony. It's a fantasy that only exists in TV land.
In reality, the result of multiculturalism is an increasingly fragmented society where trust is low and people pretend to get along by merely “tolerating” one another.
There are ways to handle it but there’s no perfect solution. Other countries like USA describe themselves as a melting pot, multiple cultures under a single unifying force, in this case the identity of America. A human soup stirred in a big cauldron labelled “American”. Other countries haven’t even bothered, and been very clear about primary and secondary citizens. The UK has opted for the “be nice to each other” approach, strong armed by its laws but then the UK has been multicultural for centuries, so again, when did it all go wrong and why? If we class the Celts, the Jutes, the Saxons, the Normans, the Danes cultures that Britain could live with, which cultures can’t we live with? The answer, I fear, will be fuelled by myopia.
 
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Would men and women living in London behave like this in the old days? The women in particular have the most unpleasant voices.
There's no sense of shame or self-restraint. No doubt this is a consequence of decades of increasingly liberal attitudes.
This is just a small example of the tension that exists within today's multicultural London.
Feminism taught women they can act like boorish men. The problem is men get their asses kicked when they are boys, so they learn how to act over time. Girls are considered untouchable, so they often act like hoodrats
 
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Feminism taught women they can act like boorish men. The problem is men get their asses kicked when they are boys, so they learn how to act over time. Girls are considered untouchable, so they often act like hoodrats
Notice how toxic masculinity (the modern third wave groomed version), and toxic femininity come from lack of discipline, humiliation, and other such factors that humble you as a child and young adult.

Now it is a free for all with some. The boys just snap, and the girls act a fool in their own right.
 
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There are ways to handle it but there’s no perfect solution. Other countries like USA describe themselves as a melting pot, multiple cultures under a single unifying force, in this case the identity of America. A human soup stirred in a big cauldron labelled “American”. Other countries haven’t even bothered, and been very clear about primary and secondary citizens. The UK has opted for the “be nice to each other” approach, strong armed by its laws but then the UK has been multicultural for centuries, so again, when did it all go wrong and why? If we class the Celts, the Jutes, the Saxons, the Normans, the Danes cultures that Britain could live with, which cultures can’t we live with? The answer, I fear, will be fuelled by myopia.
Mass immigration from 1997 onwards, Britain took in a lot of people from vastly different cultures (and continues to do so) who had fewer incentives to integrate than previous generations. To make matters worse, Britain has also shed its sense of national identity and moral values – swapping them for the multicultural-friendly values of nonjudgmentalism, diversity, equality and tolerance.

Don't want to learn English? It doesn't matter we will print it in your language. Don't want to show your face in public? Don't worry we will make sure you are accommodated. Don't want to have a child with just one woman? Don't worry we'll get the welfare apparatus in place to support your promiscuous attitude to life. Under the doctrine of multiculturalism all cultures must be respected.
If you try to suggest that something e.g. knife crime might have a strong cultural element, it makes the diversity-loving left deeply uncomfortable and the link should be dismissed. People here are encouraged to lie to themselves in regard to social problems. It's better to not notice the bad stuff and just get back to praising multiculturalism.
 

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Looks like some people still have freedom of speech in the UK. It's obviously not hate speech and if you think it is then you're just being "islamophobic".
Oh, absolutely. Tommy Robinson gets called every name in the book simply for existing. Muslims protested against the LGBT school curriculum and nobody dare say anything. But you know if it were British Christians had done it the media, the government, law enforcement, etc, would have done everything in their power to shame them and ultimately stop them.
 
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