King Tubby
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He clearly means that nobody outside of the developers forced them to change anything. They made the decision of their own volition after factoring in people's input.
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Yoshinori Ono comments on Street Fighter 5 buttslap and related changes
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He clearly means that nobody outside of the developers forced them to change anything. They made the decision of their own volition after factoring in people's input.
Ambition
Member
It's hilarious tbh. It kinda feels like living in a Simpsons world where everyone and everything around you is stupid
StriKeVillain
Banned
Thank you for that, Ono. Please don't alter any of the outfits though.
We need them as is for
reasons.
We need them as is for
cosplay
Brutuspedia
Member
I'm with Ono on this one.
Some guys care too much about butt-slap in a 3D model, I rather have more real girls interested in playing SFV and feeling good about it.
Some guys care too much about butt-slap in a 3D model, I rather have more real girls interested in playing SFV and feeling good about it.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
TheSpoiler
Member
People are comparing it to the costumes, but those are on a lesser level than an attention grabbing bare ass slap.
I can see why, because they aren't going to morph the whole game and change it around. Just lessen the fanservice from Hey, Here's An Ass Slap to We Have Breast And Ass Here If You Want
I can see why, because they aren't going to morph the whole game and change it around. Just lessen the fanservice from Hey, Here's An Ass Slap to We Have Breast And Ass Here If You Want
This is wrong though. They were busty and fetish fuel from the beginning and have been in in every entree.
Ono somehow acting like this non solution would really matter to anyone besides pissing off those who don't want to see that kind of thing edited out seems counter productive to me, especially since they largely didn't do shit about anything else. If you(Ono) really felt the way you do, the game would have been designed in a different way from the start in regards to design.
You think a butt slap is the thing that will stop a female player from picking up SFV?
Actually I do. It's you making the assumptions, chief.
If you're talking about Necalli, I want you to explain to me how is he remotely like Blanka? Because they're wild fighter archetypes? Seriously? He neither looks nor does he play like Blanka.
I can understand you not liking Necalli, but don't say things like "new blanka like dude replacing blanka" or "doing a palette swap."
Don't piss in my cup and try to call it lemonade.
Neuromancer
Member
SJWs strike again, literally ruining everything for everybody.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Bullshit. The slap would have never made it into the game at all if that were the case. The main reason the other stuff like outfits, etc are still in the game is because it would be beyond transparent if they were to remove it now and say "it was an internal decision". Also, the same people offended by the butt slap are the same damn people offended by the costumes as well so doing this for the sake of trying to bring in that group of people isn't going to work unless they go scorched earth on the game and put everyone in sweaters and khakis.
Trickster
Member
The idea of not wanting to offend people and be able to have everyone enjoy a game makes is a great idea and respectable position. That is, if the game didn't already put boobs and ass on full display on several characters, while at the same time being a game pretty much solely about punching and kicking the shit out of people.
King Tubby
Member
Real talk, the most likely reason behind something like removing the buttslap was probably someone above Ono's paygrade saying "Okay, we're still trying to hit that T rating. Just tone it down a bit, will you?"
NipplesAndToes23
Member
What, it's out? Oh well.
Exactly. It's possible that some minor adjustments (not just this butt slap thing) could make it look a little less like a "guy game".
I'm not saying I have some complete idea of what that would look like, but the development team may tweak things here and there to create a slightly different overall impression.
Yeah I'm REALLY having a hard time imagining how that is the thing, which was even congruent with her character, that was going to set people off. How someone can be put off with that but still cosign all the other things going on in the game. Or that these conversations of inclusion are happening just now and not at the drawing board stage of the game. Ono's words aren't matching up with his teams actions. It all super weird and I'm pretty sure that's the main reason people have issue with this change at all. At least that's my issue with what's going on. That and the change was done in a "lazy" way (time constraints or just lack if caring I couldn't tell you).
I wouldn't doubt it.
You raise a good point. The mere thought offends me.
I demand you remove her butt entirely from the game, Capcom. I expect an "internally made decision" within the week.
direct_quote
Member
That's what I've been saying too, but my question really is what's the line in these cases? DOA5 obviously crossed this line, so was Capcom afraid to cross this line too?
http://kotaku.com/5943235/the-esrb-knows-dead-or-alive-too-well
professor denim
Member
Its a wrestling move. Not just because
Vital Tundra
Member
I respect that.
My post in the other thread didn't get copied over so
There's a difference between something passive like Chun's outfit, which has no special focus on it, and an overt action like Mika slapping her large exposed ass. Same thing with Cammy where it wasn't an action, but a gratuitous (and awkward, despite being more dynamic than the changed angle) camera angle that draws unnecessary focus to her groin.
The original versions I could deal with, but I don't mind the changes either, and their reasoning seems sound.
This is plausible and if true would have been an honest response to admit to that.
I think of Mika as a character who embraces her sexuality, so the buttslap didn't feel out of place and actually felt like something she'd totally do. With that said, if Capcom thinks this is the best course of action and it doesn't change the character substantially, I'll trust their judgment.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Yup. People who'd have an issue with an ass slap happening now and then are obviously going to have more issues with the more cheesecake-y outfits, so the whole 'inclusive' angle they're claiming here just feels superficial. They're obviously not going to remote that stuff, so I am starting to agree with others saying it's likely like them wanting to avoid an M-rating for marketing reasons more so than anything else.
Otherwise it's a decision which, while ultimately inconsequential to the overall game's quality, feels like it appeases nobody.
It's a difference between "We made this is consideration of others" and "We were strong-armed/forced to do this by others"
ugh_the_boot
Banned
Nah he looks and sounds like Blanka in the trailer and plays like a cross between Blanka and Akuma, that is enough for me.....chief.
And fyi I couldn't give a fuck about this game lol.
lensoftruth
Member
Jesus, why did anyone ask him this? Mainstream gaming industry is nuts.
they're taking away our boners
I know right, why don't they focus on real questions everyone has been talking about, like "should we give this a 9.5 or a 10?"
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
That really makes no sense to to me when looking at the other characters in that game but especially R.Miku.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
Street Fighter's racial and cultural stereotypes could be construed as offensive by some. But those cheesey stereotypes are also what makes the game fun. Street Fighter 2 never would have been popular if people had been easily offended back then. At some point, you have to be careful not to strip the game of its appeal.
lensoftruth
Member
Why's this stuff asked of stuff like SF, Metal Gear and DOA but not The Witcher and similar?
Why do people care?
Why do people care?
Yabberwocky
Member
I'm still really surprised by the buttslap removal. It's fairly mellow in comparison to a lot of what was left in!
People also question those things too, if you pay attention.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
ITT shitty trigger jokes
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Seeing Chun practically 3/4 nude gets me sprung more than Mika's ass slap ever could, so where do you draw the line, Ono?
Where...do you draw...the.....
....brb....
B/c those first three are Japanese games and Japanese devs already have a sort of "pervy" image held against them.
Whether that image is warranted or not is up for debate.
Where...do you draw...the.....
....brb....
B/c those first three are Japanese games and Japanese devs already have a sort of "pervy" image held against them.
Whether that image is warranted or not is up for debate.
1. Plays nothing like Blanka or Akuma. Doesn't look or sound anything like Blanka either...pal.
2. Okay. We're never gonna agree to this, so we might as well part ways.
BluePigGanon
Member
Yes. It's such a weird change, where if you were really worried about that sort of content you'd redo a few of the costumes and/or start cutting characters entirely. It starts to get silly. But what sorta annoys me about it is: I doubt THAT many actually-likely-SFV-buyers were going to pass on the game because of that animation. So if you're appeasing anyone, it's like 142 people who probably wouldn't have bought the game anyway.
If the gameplay is good, accessible for beginners and deep for experts, if the game looks great and the online runs well, and finally if there's no icky DLC practices - the game will sell. If those things aren't there, it will tank. It's not going to hinge on asses.
lensoftruth
Member
They're exaggerated stereo types to accentuate a fun theme, no one gave a fuck the the England stage was scotland then and they don't now.
Gaming journalism is just full of dicks generating faux outrage at anything.