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YouTube new Coppa Rules will kill many channels but also prevent SJW Agendas from targeting kids. Double-Edged Sword.

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Many people don't know this because it's been covered up but within a month or so all YouTube videos targeting kids can't be monetized and all the channels focusing on kids content will either vanish or stop posting videos.

How it works is the FTC sued YouTube this year and YouTube is now introducing a new set of rules where your videos have to be either marketed for kid or marked not for kids otherwise, if it's determined to be marked for kids and you don't label it the FTC can sue you and in some states probable jail time. This apparently will include older videos (although once from like 2008-9 may get a pass.)

So what does this mean? It means that not only will a lot of channels die overnight but YouTube is basically no longer going to be an easy source of information for kids since no one is going to be making content aimed for them. Yes this also means the checkmarked partner organizations are not excluded form the rules and will make zero dollars

So while that sounds bad it also presents a positive by preventing all the agenda driven radical SJW advocates from teaching kids about nonsense, like from agenda driven bullying campaigns, to miss-educating them about politics, to trying to confuse the kids with random agendas on social politics like gender, trannies, socialism, etc.

This means many YouTube channels that have videos aimed for kids trying to brainwash them like Buzzfeed and many other organizational and individual channels, can't make them anymore unless they don't want to earn money on them. This is going to change the foundation of the platform.

So it's a double edged sword, on one hand yours kids wont be dressing in drag anytime soon, on the other hand all the fun video, gaming, and movie channels that aimed toward kids are basically going to go kaput unless they abandon their audience which will be hard to do, and of course, those who make a living on it will suffer the most.

The whole things kind of crazy though, I don't see the FTC going after Veoh, so this seems to be some sort of targeted attack by the FTC against YouTube, but at least it's not a 100% loss.

This does raise an issue for all the other platforms though since YouTubes algorithm currently primarily throws kid friendly videos up front most of the time unless you're logged in, But I guess as the kid friendly content dies off and YouTube becomes a rated PG-13/R website they might change that.

Some of the channels have already been closed early, like say all 3 channels belonging to one member on Gaf. Good times, good times....

Email sent to creators:
These changes are required as part of a settlement with the US Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and NY Attorney General, and will help you comply with the Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) and/or other applicable laws.​
We know that these changes won’t be easy for some creators, and that this required change is going to take some time getting used to. But these are important steps to take to ensure compliance with the law.​
Please read more below to understand your legal obligations and the impact these choices may have on your channel.​
What is changing?
Starting today, all creators are required to mark their content as made for kids or not made for kids in YouTube Studio.​
Starting in January: we will limit the data we collect on made for kids content to comply with the law. This means we will disable personalized ads on this content (which affects revenue for creators making content for kids), as well as certain features like comments, notifications and others. Note: You may see some small changes as we experiment and refine our systems over the next few months.​
For a list of affected features, go here.​
Why is this happening?
These changes are required as part of a settlement with the US Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and NY Attorney General, and will help you comply with the Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) and/or other applicable laws.​
Regardless of your location, we are required to ask you to set your videos as made for kids if they fall into that category, please make these settings as soon as possible.​
We’ll also use machine learning systems to help us find content that is clearly made for kids. But do not rely on our systems to set content for you -- like all automated systems, ours are not perfect.​
If you don’t set your content or if we detect error or abuse, we may set your audience for you. If you fail to set your content accurately you may face compliance issues with the FTC or other authorities, and we may take action on your YouTube account.​
What is “made for kids” content?
We cannot provide specific legal advice, but according to the FTC’s guidance on COPPA, a video is child directed (which we call “made for kids”) if:​
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It is directed to children as the primary audience (e.g. videos for preschoolers).​
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It is directed to children but children are a secondary audience (e.g. cartoon video that primarily targets teenagers but is also intended for younger kids).​
Learn more about the factors that determine if your content is considered as made for kids here.​
We know this won’t be easy for some creators, and that this required change is going to take some getting used to. While we cannot provide legal advice, we are committed to helping you through this transition.​
Of course there's more to it, YouTube is trying to cover it up but there's already articles and videos on how they will implement these changes and how "broad" they'll take the legal definitions.
 
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Just watching creepy pedo Onision and lardass cuck Boogie playacting tantrums about it has made it all worth it, honestly.

YouTube was dying anyway after all the adpocalypses. Time to move to bitchute and other decentralized platforms.
 

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Most YouTube channels are garbage anyway, I could see a competing platform rising that does what YouTube but better.
 
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Wasn't aware that there was a cover up going on. That makes sense, though. I was wondering why there wasn't threads about this on the usual places when the news about this broke two weeks ago.
 

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No. COPPA is garbage, and this is very likely to kill some of my favorite channels, all because of people making laws that don't understand what they're doing. People with SJW agendas should be able to "target kids" the same as those with other political opinions. It's the parents responsibility to know what their kids are watching. Not you tube, and not the federal government.

For a good overview on just how this all happened, and how vague and poorly defined this law is:




There's also the concern that people at you tube could use COPPA specifically to censor and deplatform:

 
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If it makes contra points (and her ilk) go behind a 18+ account im all for it. Kids should NOT be watching that sh*t.
Maybe those SJW types will start to care about "freeze peach" as they say, now?
 
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I know for a fact that some of the shit my nephews and nieces watch rots their brains. I’m currently on the fence about this one.
 

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Dunno why youtube just not says everything is forbidden but doesn't enforce until they deem necessary.. Like the EU did with downloading.

Then just bans whatever flows there boat.
 
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Isn't the problem that YouTube collects data on minors through cookies. This is why Google had to pay a record fine to the FTC.

It sucks for all the creators that will get mislabeled or lumped into this. Someone who reviews comic books or nostalgic cartoons that the audience is clearly more adults will end up getting the shaft because they can't have targeted adds and all other perks like comments and notifications.

I feel that there is probably a better way to go about this on both Googles part and the FTC. FTC probably doesn't care about the tech, while Google would rather pass the responsability and liability onto creators rather than themselves.

My boss actually has mentioned that her niece or nephew make YT videos and make a lot of money. One of those toy channels. Apperantly they made good money but I guess with these new Coppa rules and the fact that they can't have targeted ads that revenue source is going to dry up.
 

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As far as content creators go, I think the writing has been on the wall for a while and people just need to accept it. I don't think youtube wants them, simple as that. More and more they are pivoting to network content. If you're still making a living on youtube you should have planned a move to a different platform years ago. Or a the very least found a way to monetize off-site.
 
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I don't think YouTube is covering anything up, it's just that most of it isn't set in stone yet. This is a temporary measure to ensure they don't get fined again. I think the FTC is still researching how to apply these rules to platforms like YouTube. Even if YouTube were to fall, any other video platform that has targeted ads or sponsored videos aimed at children is going to run into the same issue.

I'm not sure how to feel about the entire thing. My biggest concern is with the channels that are family friendly. They may not be aimed specifically at children, but they probably fall under the current rules because children might watch them. If these channels lose their income, I'm gonna be missing out on a whole lot of fun and interesting videos.
 
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I support Coppa wholeheartedly. My children like to watch YouTube sometimes. Unfortunately a very small amount of legitimately good quality channels for kids (Blippi for example) will die, but it is the side effect of something needing to be done. I can't count the numbers of times we put on a harmless video about kids building toys or something and then another video comes on clearly advertising some surprise toy garbage to children. Ryan's toys review channel is an example of the extreme of what Coppa is trying to fight. People shouldn't be worried unless they were upset about no longer being able to discreetly target children.
 
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I support Coppa wholeheartedly.
Based on a full and complete understanding of how the law will be applied to you tube, how non-children's channels will be affected, and how you tube themselves can use the law to censor and deplatform channels, or based on a very surface level understanding of what they're trying to do, and how it benefits you personally?
 

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Just watching creepy pedo Onision and lardass cuck Boogie playacting tantrums about it has made it all worth it, honestly.

YouTube was dying anyway after all the adpocalypses. Time to move to bitchute and other decentralized platforms.
You want people to move to badly formatted platforms that are on web hosts that, when pressured, will shut those sites down?

How about actual backing and creating a competitor to YouTube instead of scrambling to niche websites?
 

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this seems adequate, need more measures like this going forward since these spaces will only strengthen / time as individualism continues to rise

i don't wanna move to decentralized platforms tho, that ship has sailed, it's a dirty crypto world with no adequate government oversight and regulation

i'm among the few who has considerable trust in american alphabet corps, insofar as they play ball with the pentagon and darpa

i don't trust the chinese at all, russia i trust with sufficient verifications, middle east and africa are still a fuckfest that need to sort themselves out
 
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U wot m8. Alexa has youtube ranked as number 2 behind only google.
For viewership. For being viable for small content creators, YouTube has gotten worse and worse and worse to the current state. This is going to be used to break gaming channels, especially once some arbitrary metric goes into place to automatically flag channels as having "child audiences", like looking at demographics. It would be just like YouTube to set as policy:

"If your <18 years old demographic goes over 25%, then you have to be restricted so you and we don't get COPPA-fucked."

The upcoming big event from the COPPA adpocalypse is going to rock YouTube - once PewDiePie gets COPPA'd, he will move over to another platform or try to make his own based outside of the US. If Dick Masterson can outwit the Mastercard gestapo, PDP can do the same.

After that, gamers (who will also be targeted on mass due to the demographics) and right-wing creatives (who YouTube can claim are violating COPPA with or without justification) will be targeted and will move out. Shit like "Queer Kids Stuff" will stay on the platform because they don't need ad money, just the big money backing they already have. YouTube will entirely be left-wing propoganda and banal cat videos after that.

You want people to move to badly formatted platforms that are on web hosts that, when pressured, will shut those sites down?

How about actual backing and creating a competitor to YouTube instead of scrambling to niche websites?
YouTube was once a niche website. That's like the "voting for third party candidates wastes votes" fallacy - how do you support change unless you support change?
 
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"If your <18 years old demographic goes over 25%, then you have to be restricted so you and we don't get COPPA-fucked."
That would be an interesting stretch and a move we'd see coming a mile away, considering the changes taking place dumps the COPPA-fucked treatment right on to the channel be targeted.
 

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For viewership. For being viable for small content creators, YouTube has gotten worse and worse and worse to the current state. This is going to be used to break gaming channels, especially once some arbitrary metric goes into place to automatically flag channels as having "child audiences", like looking at demographics. It would be just like YouTube to set as policy:

"If your <18 years old demographic goes over 25%, then you have to be restricted so you and we don't get COPPA-fucked."

The upcoming big event from the COPPA adpocalypse is going to rock YouTube - once PewDiePie gets COPPA'd, he will move over to another platform or try to make his own based outside of the US. If Dick Masterson can outwit the Mastercard gestapo, PDP can do the same.

After that, gamers (who will also be targeted on mass due to the demographics) and right-wing creatives (who YouTube can claim are violating COPPA with or without justification) will be targeted and will move out. Shit like "Queer Kids Stuff" will stay on the platform because they don't need ad money, just the big money backing they already have. YouTube will entirely be left-wing propoganda and banal cat videos after that.



YouTube was once a niche website. That's like the "voting for third party candidates wastes votes" fallacy - how do you support change unless you support change?
YouTube was a platform designed for mass appeal, all the small video sites like Bitchute are low-tech and are not designed or marketed to be a large service. Almost all of them have a small userbase. Some of those sites have been running with the same audience for years.

If you want to take out YouTube or force YouTube to change, you need a real competitor not nobodies. Many content creators aren't going to move to sites like Bitchute as much as that may seem harsh. You can't compare it to politics when there's only one party.
 

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My main concern is there are alot of good educational things on youtube kid. Its filtered pretty good if you use the youtube kid app. If these content providers move to new sources and have terrible content filtering for adult vs kid content i will be disappointed. I dont mind people making a money on stuff my kids watch as long as its filtered and i can reviews easily.
 

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If you support curtailing free speech because you don’t like what the other side are saying, then you’ve already lost the argument IMO and you are just as “triggered” as the “snowflakes” that you are cheering for being shut down.
 

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If you support curtailing free speech because you don’t like what the other side are saying, then you’ve already lost the argument IMO and you are just as “triggered” as the “snowflakes” that you are cheering for being shut down.
Oh cool, some both sidesing. Different rules apply when it comes to children because they are vulnerable and there are unscrupulous people who will target them with propaganda. This doesn’t appear to be a targeted action towards any particular political view from the FTC, rather a blanket removal of financial incentives when it comes to content aimed at children. If that happens to affect one political side more than the other, welp...
 
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Oh cool, some both sidesing. Different rules apply when it comes to children because they are vulnerable and there are unscrupulous people who will target them with propaganda. This doesn’t appear to be a targeted action towards any particular political view from the FTC, rather a blanket removal of financial incentives when it comes to content aimed at children. If that happens to affect one political side more than the other, welp...
sometimes it is both sides though. Of course you don’t actually mean it and you’re just saying it and we both know it but just want to make it out in the open.

I support protecting kids on YouTube, that Spider-Man / Elsa shit that got uncovered recently was disgusting. And while I want to be accepting of different lifestyles (even LGBTQ stuff) I do think that stuff should be looked at and yes even regulated at times for kids (like you can say some kids have two mums and some have two dads and some have one of each- but don’t need to say “and if billy plays with a barbie he can take pills to become a girl!”)

however this change overreaches so far and puts a lot of normal adult content in with that for no reason. I don’t actually like him but Arlo the Nintendo reviewer will likely get whacked with it. He is not trying to corrupt children.

Basically YouTube should just try and work harder on it and the people defending it are just typical corporate fellators who think that companies can do no wrong. Funnily enough back in the “good old days” companies actually did think about their communities. Now They don’t they just think of what is going to be the least liability to them.
 
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sometimes it is both sides though. Of course you don’t actually mean it and you’re just saying it and we both know it but just want to make it out in the open.

I support protecting kids on YouTube, that Spider-Man / Elsa shit that got uncovered recently was disgusting. And while I want to be accepting of different lifestyles (even LGBTQ stuff) I do think that stuff should be looked at and yes even regulated at times for kids (like you can say some kids have two mums and some have two dads and some have one of each- but don’t need to say “and if billy plays with a barbie he can take pills to become a girl!”)

however this change overreaches so far and puts a lot of normal adult content in with that for no reason. I don’t actually like him but Arlo the Nintendo reviewer will likely get whacked with it. He is not trying to corrupt children.

Basically YouTube should just try and work harder on it and the people defending it are just typical corporate fellators who think that companies can do no wrong. Funnily enough back in the “good old days” companies actually did think about their communities. Now They don’t they just think of what is going to be the least liability to them.
Cool, we are mostly in agreement then, but your first comment didn't make sense in the context.
 

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Cool, we are mostly in agreement then, but your first comment didn't make sense in the context.
I should have quoted a few of the posts I was referring to- I’ve read a lot of right wing “hah this will hit the SJWs!” Takes online and it just bugged me that people are so happy to support things they’d normally hate just because it gets the other guy
 
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I should have quoted a few of the posts I was referring to- I’ve read a lot of right wing “hah this will hit the SJWs!” Takes online and it just bugged me that people are so happy to support things they’d normally hate just because it gets the other guy
imo the SJW backlash is understandable and well-deserved in many cases, but I agree with you in principle
 
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Coppa is hot runny shit. Think of the children? Nigga please, 10 yo’s Have access to the porn hubs and no one is doing shit. But YouTube.... oh the YouTube.....
 

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Coppa is hot runny shit. Think of the children? Nigga please, 10 yo’s Have access to the porn hubs and no one is doing shit. But YouTube.... oh the YouTube.....
this is an attempt to gatekeep input of the biggest video sharing platform in the world

goal is to stave off wretched bands that lead to darker rabbit holes (without oversight)

the output of porn and the like will have to be restricted by parents since it's an open and endless sprawl
 
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Coppa is hot runny shit. Think of the children? Nigga please, 10 yo’s Have access to the porn hubs and no one is doing shit. But YouTube.... oh the YouTube.....
It's easy to catch a kid visiting Pornhub. It's hard to filter the good kid videos from the bad kid videos in YouTube. Bruh...
 
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It's easy to catch a kid visiting Pornhub. It's hard to filter the good kid videos from the bad kid videos in YouTube. Bruh...
How about parents not letting them have tablets or unsupervised access to the internet. And instead of making YouTube bend to rediculous laws just ask YouTube to build channel blocks or just block YouTube during hours a parent can’t be around to watch.

It isn’t child abuse to let kids have a taste of living without the internet like every generation that came before the advent of it.
 

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Blippi is already on other services like Amazon so I think he’ll be ok. This does seem like most of the larger kid channels will have to find other service as well.
 
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Blippi is already on other services like Amazon so I think he’ll be ok. This does seem like most of the larger kid channels will have to find other service as well.
And video game channels and magic the gathering and other card game / board game channels. And possibly the smaller tabletop rpg channels. And independent sport channels.

All could be labeled as channels for kids.
 
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How about parents not letting them have tablets or unsupervised access to the internet.
I agree with you in theory or ideally, but in actuality this is an impossible expectation to have.

It isn’t child abuse to let kids have a taste of living without the internet like every generation that came before the advent of it.
Yeah, right, that's definitely going to happen. 😬
 
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It's the parents responsibility to know what their kids are watching. Not you tube, and not the federal government.
The problem isn't what they are watching, its collection of data from children.

YouTube violated the law and now their letting the shit run down hill and destroying and shot youtube content creators have at a career on youtube.
 

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The problem isn't what they are watching, its collection of data from children.

YouTube violated the law and now their letting the shit run down hill and destroying and shot youtube content creators have at a career on youtube.
ya, this distinction seems lost on people

it's not an output problem, the market already has solutions for these things