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[ManaByte]

and brings that trilogy to a proper end.

It ends with a cliffhanger that will go nowhere.

The Snyder crowd doesn't want to acknowledge reality that the movie that will reboot the DCEU begins filming next month and no amount of spamming #RestoreTheSnyderVerse will change that. HBO Max isn't spending $600M on two Justice League sequels (and WB won't allow them) when WB still has plans for the franchise following the reboot. The only reason this happened was because HBO Max could spend $70M on something already filmed for a big subscriber boost when they need it most.

 

[KyoZz]

It ends with a cliffhanger that will go nowhere.

The Snyder crowd doesn't want to acknowledge reality that the movie that will reboot the DCEU begins filming next month and no amount of spamming #RestoreTheSnyderVerse will change that. HBO Max isn't spending $600M on two Justice League sequels (and WB won't allow them) when WB still has plans for the franchise following the reboot. The only reason this happened was because HBO Max could spend $70M on something already filmed for a big subscriber boost when they need it most.

You don't want to see JL 2 & 3 ?

 

[ManaByte]

You don't want to see JL 2 & 3 ?

It's a moot point because there's no reality where WB will allow HBO to make two $300M Justice League movies when they're handing the future of DC movies over to JJ Abrams with his Superman reboot (which then leads to a new JL reboot). They just gave him $500M to be exclusive to the studio. WB sees JJ Abrams (and Christina Hodsen) as their Feige. Abrams is producing Superman and they really want him to direct a DC tentpole. He's also building JL Dark on HBO Max where Constantine and Zatanna series lead into a JL Dark team up show.

HBO Max is getting DC movies from WB, but they're continuing in the canon DCEU following Josstice League. Batgirl is going to HBO Max and other stuff similar to that will as well while Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and the other main JL characters continue on the big screen.

 

[FunkMiller]

It ends with a cliffhanger that will go nowhere.

The Snyder crowd doesn't want to acknowledge reality that the movie that will reboot the DCEU begins filming next month and no amount of spamming #RestoreTheSnyderVerse will change that. HBO Max isn't spending $600M on two Justice League sequels (and WB won't allow them) when WB still has plans for the franchise following the reboot. The only reason this happened was because HBO Max could spend $70M on something already filmed for a big subscriber boost when they need it most.

Christ, they kept it in, did they? I remember reading the spoilers at the time when it seemed like they were deciding on what would go in and what wouldn't. Seems like they went with option stupid and retained it, despite the fact that nobody is giving Zack Snyder hundreds more millions of dollars to continue a movie series that was never popular with the majority of the audience in the first place. Also, The Batman is probably going to do huge business next year, and WB aren't going to piss Matt Reeves off to keep Zack Snyder's fans happy.

 

[ManaByte]

Christ, they kept it in, did they? I remember reading the spoilers at the time when it seemed like they were deciding on what would go in and what wouldn't. Seems like they went with option stupid and retained it, despite the fact that nobody is giving Zack Snyder hundreds more millions of dollars to continue a movie series that was never popular with the majority of the audience in the first place. Also, The Batman is probably going to do huge business next year, and WB aren't going to piss Matt Reeves off to keep Zack Snyder's fans happy.

Well there will be two Batmen. Battison in the solo movies which are set in a different universe (the trailer confirmed that due to the modern cellphones showing it was set in present day and not a Battfleck prequel like people want), and then Keaton is the DCEU Batman who interacts with the Justice League.

 

[KyoZz]

It's a moot point because there's no reality where WB will allow HBO to make two $300M Justice League movies when they're handing the future of DC movies over to JJ Abrams with his Superman reboot (which then leads to a new JL reboot). They just gave him $500M to be exclusive to the studio. WB sees JJ Abrams (and Christina Hodsen) as their Feige. Abrams is producing Superman and they really want him to direct a DC tentpole. He's also building JL Dark on HBO Max where Constantine and Zatanna series lead into a JL Dark team up show.

HBO Max is getting DC movies from WB, but they're continuing in the canon DCEU following Josstice League. Batgirl is going to HBO Max and other stuff similar to that will as well while Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and the other main JL characters continue on the big screen.

I'll keep my hope up for JL 2 & 3. I'm sure Snyder will be able to finish his cycle IF ZSJL is a big hit. For the rest of your message I agree.

At the end, the numbers always wins

 

[FunkMiller]

Well there will be two Batmen. Battison in the solo movies which are set in a different universe (the trailer confirmed that due to the modern cellphones showing it was set in present day and not a Battfleck prequel like people want), and then Keaton is the DCEU Batman who interacts with the Justice League.

I think Keaton will be a pretty quick cameo, restricted to just that Flash film. At least, I certainly hope that's the case. Pattinson should be the only major on-screen Batman moving forward.

 

[FunkMiller]

...good lord, I just read a spoiler about how the movie depicts Superman at its conclusion.

Snyder is a tool

 

[ManaByte]

I think Keaton will be a pretty quick cameo, restricted to just that Flash film. At least, I certainly hope that's the case. Pattinson should be the only major on-screen Batman moving forward.

The idea is for Keaton to be DC's Nick Fury showing up in multiple movies (Batgirl) and assembling a new Justice League (like in Kingdom Come). He has a huge role in The Flash. That's why he signed on; he gets a guaranteed long-term paycheck like Jackson does with Marvel.

WB admits both Battison and Keaton will be two separate Batman "sagas" going forward:

Managing Movie Superheroes Is About to Get a Lot More Complicated (Published 2020)

Walter Hamada, who runs DC Films, is overseeing a dizzying number of projects, part of a swarm of comics-based stories coming from Hollywood.

www.nytimes.com

Coming up, for instance, Warner Bros. will have two different film sagas involving Batman — played by two different actors — running at the same time.

The answer is the multiverse. Boiled down, it means that some characters (Wonder Woman as portrayed by Ms. Gadot, for instance) will continue their adventures on Earth 1, while new incarnations (Mr. Pattinson as “The Batman”) will populate Earth 2.

“The Flash,” a film set for release in theaters in 2022, will link the two universes and feature two Batmans, with Mr. Affleck returning as one and Michael Keaton returning as the other. Mr. Keaton played Batman in 1989 and 1992.

 

[FunkMiller]

The idea is for Keaton to be DC's Nick Fury showing up in multiple movies (Batgirl) and assembling a new Justice League (like in Kingdom Come). He has a huge role in The Flash. That's why he signed on; he gets a guaranteed long-term paycheck like Jackson does with Marvel.

WB admits both Battison and Keaton will be two separate Batman "sagas" going forward:

Managing Movie Superheroes Is About to Get a Lot More Complicated (Published 2020)

Walter Hamada, who runs DC Films, is overseeing a dizzying number of projects, part of a swarm of comics-based stories coming from Hollywood.

www.nytimes.com

Hmmm. I'll believe all that when I see it, frankly. But if it is true:

"Let's keep trying to copy Marvel (with Michael Keaton instead of Sam Jackson).... because that's worked so well for us so far."

I'm all for the multiverse down the line, but at least have the stones to do it properly. Create new versions of characters to tie everything together - and do justice to Crisis.

This just sounds like more quick fixing to something that needs careful consideration.

They should be concentrating on making very good stand alone movies, rather than continually chasing the shared universe as quickly as possible. WB is clearly hopeless at wrangling its Dc properties into any kind of cohesive universe. Better to keep things simple to let the audience come on board properly.

 

[ManaByte]

...good lord, I just read a spoiler about how the movie depicts Superman at its conclusion.

Snyder is a tool

Not quite sure what spoiler you read...

Spoiler: Ending spoiler

The end is similar to the theatrical cut with the montage where Clark rips open his jacket, but then there's another Nightmare dream where Batman talks to Joker. Bruce is woken up from that dream by Martian Manhunter (the ORIGINAL version that was shot was Tomar-Re and Killowog, and it was a credit stinger).

Hmmm. I'll believe all that when I see it, frankly. But if it is true:

"Let's keep trying to copy Marvel (with Michael Keaton instead of Sam Jackson).... because that's worked so well for us so far."

I'm all for the multiverse down the line, but at least have the stones to do it properly. Create new versions of characters to tie everything together - and do justice to Crisis.

This just sounds like more quick fixing to something that needs careful consideration.

They should be concentrating on making very good stand alone movies, rather than continually chasing the shared universe as fast as possible.

Nah they seem to have a good idea to handle Keaton. He's the Kingdom Come version of Batman (and they did concepts of that costume for him too, don't know if it'll be realized or not), and that's completely different from Battison.

 

[FunkMiller]

Not quite sure what spoiler you read...

Spoiler: Ending spoiler

The end is similar to the theatrical cut with the montage where Clark rips open his jacket, but then there's another Nightmare dream where Batman talks to Joker. Bruce is woken up from that dream by Martian Manhunter (the ORIGINAL version that was shot was Tomar-Re and Killowog, and it was a credit stinger).

Nah they seem to have a good idea to handle Keaton. He's the Kingdom Come version of Batman (and they did concepts of that costume for him too, don't know if it'll be realized or not), and that's completely different from Battison.

The spoiler I knew about what the whole

Spoiler

Darkseid being on the other side of the boom tube looking all mean at the JL, after Steppenwolf's head has gone back through. And then the shirt rip and then the Lantern stinger. I didn't know the Superman suit would be black still though.

Does Snyder think he's getting a sequel?

And I get what you're saying about Keaton and the multiverse angle, I just have zero confidence that WB know what they're doing. I hope I'm proved wrong.

Mind you, all I really give a shit about is The Batman. I'll watch all the other stuff because I've been a DC fan for thirty years, but I really don't care much about anything other than what Reeves is doing. Big, CGI filled comic book movies were done for me with Endgame. Now I'm after smaller scale, character driven stuff that's a bit more mature.

 

[Madflavor]

I mean I followed the development, marketing, and fan communities pretty closely during Man of Steel, BvS, Suicide Squad, and Justice League. Every single one had nobodies posting on twitter some generic shill posts like "Just saw *blank*, all I can say is...wow" or "Simply breathtaking. Amazing. All heart."

Then the review embargo lifts and critics go "Yeah no, it's a pile of shit."

 

[ManaByte]

I mean I followed the development, marketing, and fan communities pretty closely during Man of Steel, BvS, Suicide Squad, and Justice League. Every single one had nobodies posting on twitter some generic shill posts like "Just saw *blank*, all I can say is...wow" or "Simply breathtaking. Amazing. All heart."

Then the review embargo lifts and critics go "Yeah no, it's a pile of shit."

Why are you coming at this movie with a preconceived opinion?!?!

 

[ManaByte]

Final trailer leaked on Reddit:


Speaking of Reddit, it seems like DC fans are leaving both r/DCEULeaks and r/DC_Cinematic for r/DCEUspoilers and r/DCFilm. The first two subs have become Snyder circlejerks with no discussion of non-Snyder DC stuff allowed and any slight criticism of Snyder a permaban.

Meanwhile the dickwads who run r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers (who lock down the sub to protect their scooper friend from being dunked on for being wrong) made r/DCspoilers and are trying to take over r/DCEUspoilers (who has a lot more subscribers).

 

[SJRB]

That trailer is epic as fuck, wow.

 

[RAÏSanÏa]

That trailer makes the movie look interesting. I was already in for curiosities sake.

 

[KyoZz]

YTB:

 

[SJRB]

The crazy drums give me hope that track during the trailer is from the actual soundtrack.

Hype x 100 if it is.

 

[KyoZz]

Reaction are keep coming out and, well:

ZACK SNYDER'S JUSTICE LEAGUE: First Social Media Reactions Land Early And They're Overwhelmingly Positive

HBO Max has lifted the embargo on social media reactions for Zack Snyder's Justice League a day early, and these are absolutely glowing! Find out more details on what exactly you can expect right here...

www.comicbookmovie.com

 

[ManaByte]

Reaction are keep coming out and, well:

ZACK SNYDER'S JUSTICE LEAGUE: First Social Media Reactions Land Early And They're Overwhelmingly Positive

HBO Max has lifted the embargo on social media reactions for Zack Snyder's Justice League a day early, and these are absolutely glowing! Find out more details on what exactly you can expect right here...

www.comicbookmovie.com

Just wait for the reviews to drop. Social reactions are always glowing.

 

[The_Mighty_X]

So the JL aren't actually going to fight Darkseid in this, are they?

He's all just visions and nightmares and warnings.

 

[KyoZz]

Just wait for the reviews to drop. Social reactions are always glowing.

You should take another look on the link I posted then. It's not critics by RandomUserDCSNYDER65

 

[ManaByte]

So the JL aren't actually going to fight Darkseid in this, are they?

He's all just visions and nightmares and warnings.

Nope. And he's not in it much really. Most of his stuff is seen in the footage out there (except for one thing towards the end).

 

[ManaByte]

You should take another look on the link I posted then. It's not critics by RandomUserDCSNYDER65

Actually a few of those are some of the biggest Snyder cultists on social media.

One of them told me to my face once that the death threats by the #ReleaseTheSnydercut crowd were justifiable.

 

[Dacon]

You should take another look on the link I posted then. It's not critics by RandomUserDCSNYDER65

Don't waste your time with this dude.

 

[ManaByte]

Don't waste your time with this dude.

 

[ManaByte]

The First 'Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice' Premiere Reactions Have Arrived - SlashFilm

Critics are still embargoed, but Batman v Superman reactions have begun to trickle out from the film's premiere and they are very positive.

www.slashfilm.com

And of course:

‘Justice League’ First Reactions: Better than ‘Batman v Superman’ and ‘Suicide Squad’ - TVovermind

It's been a long and difficult road for Warner Bros' DCEU. From Man of Steel to Dawn of Justice to Suicide Squad, the flailing franchise just couldn't seem to catch a break. And although Wonder Woman offered the series some respite from the negative responses, Justice League's notoriously...

www.tvovermind.com

 

[KyoZz]

The First 'Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice' Premiere Reactions Have Arrived - SlashFilm

Critics are still embargoed, but Batman v Superman reactions have begun to trickle out from the film's premiere and they are very positive.

www.slashfilm.com

And of course:

‘Justice League’ First Reactions: Better than ‘Batman v Superman’ and ‘Suicide Squad’ - TVovermind

It's been a long and difficult road for Warner Bros' DCEU. From Man of Steel to Dawn of Justice to Suicide Squad, the flailing franchise just couldn't seem to catch a break. And although Wonder Woman offered the series some respite from the negative responses, Justice League's notoriously...

www.tvovermind.com

I guess you REALLY want that movie to fail, you want it so baddly.
Oh and don't bring the subject about death threat please. We are talking about a movie, not the 1% stupid people there is in ALL fanbase.

Don't waste your time with this dude.

I know you are right. I'm just gonna enjoy the next few days a lot

 

[ManaByte]

I guess you REALLY want that movie to fail, you want it so baddly.

No I'm just showing how ALL social reactions are positive: Marvel, Star Wars, DC. It doesn't matter. There are people praising the theatrical JL who are in the ZSJL article too.

The first Twitter reactions to The Last Jedi are here and guys, Rian Johnson may have made the best Star Wars of all time

The hype is strong with this one.

www.syfy.com

Captain Marvel First Reactions: Empowering, Entertaining, and Full of Surprises

How is Brie Larson? Is the movie totally '90s? And what's the deal with that fabulous cat?

editorial.rottentomatoes.com

Oh and don't bring the subject about death threat please. We are talking about a movie, not the 1% stupid people there is in ALL fanbase.

Again with Whataboutism.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[KyoZz]

No I'm just showing how ALL social reactions are positive: Marvel, Star Wars, DC. It doesn't matter. There are people praising the theatrical JL who are in the ZSJL article too.

The first Twitter reactions to The Last Jedi are here and guys, Rian Johnson may have made the best Star Wars of all time

The hype is strong with this one.

www.syfy.com

Captain Marvel First Reactions: Empowering, Entertaining, and Full of Surprises

How is Brie Larson? Is the movie totally '90s? And what's the deal with that fabulous cat?

editorial.rottentomatoes.com

Again with Whataboutism.

Whatever makes you happy

Voluntary misleading trailer aren't a new thing, so spoiler balise please

 

[ManaByte]

Whatever makes you happy

Wonder Woman 1984 First Reactions: The Perfect Beacon of Hope for 2020

Early reactions on social media say Patty Jenkins, Gal Gadot, and the rest of the cast knock it out of the park in a movie whose hopeful optimism and uptlifting positivity is exactly what we need right now.

editorial.rottentomatoes.com

 

[KyoZz]

Wonder Woman 1984 First Reactions: The Perfect Beacon of Hope for 2020

Early reactions on social media say Patty Jenkins, Gal Gadot, and the rest of the cast knock it out of the park in a movie whose hopeful optimism and uptlifting positivity is exactly what we need right now.

editorial.rottentomatoes.com

And for what it worth, site like RottenTomatoes are a real joke imo, and building a personnel opinion upon those kind of website is a pure joke, still imo of course you are free to do what you want.

 

[ManaByte]

And for what it worth, site like RottenTomatoes are a real joke imo, and building a personnel opinion upon those kind of website is a pure joke, still imo of course you are free to do what you want.

You didn't even look at the link. It's not Rotten Tomatoes, it's a collection of social media reactions. Same as the comicbookmovie article you linked above.

"site like RottenTomatoes are a real joke imo"

Why, because critics are "snakes"?

 

[KyoZz]

You didn't even look at the link. It's not Rotten Tomatoes, it's a collection of social media reactions. Same as the comicbookmovie article you linked above.

"site like RottenTomatoes are a real joke imo"

Why, because critics are "snakes"?

1: the embargo is lifted, so if people don't liked it, they can say it loud and clear. But the general reaction is extremely positive even for people that didn't liked BvS.
2: they are a joke because BvS is trash, worse than Green Lantern and Justice League (2017) is better than BvS according to them. Like... seriously ?

 

[ManaByte]

1: the embargo is lifted, so if people don't liked it, they can say it loud and clear.

No it's not. The SOCIAL MEDIA embargo is lifted, and HBO specifically says it's for POSITIVE reactions. The review embargo has not been lifted yet. The REVIEW embargo is apparently tomorrow.

Do you even know how this works? For every big geek movie there are TWO separate embargoes. The social media embargo is always first, and that's for positive reactions only. The REVIEW embargo is usually a few days later and that's for critical reactions.

2: they are a joke because BvS is trash, worse than Green Lantern and Justice League (2017) is better than BvS according to them. Like... seriously ?

Rotten Tomatoes is not a review site. They aggregate all of the critic reviews. Like Metacritic does for games.

 

[showernota]

Remember when everyone said this didn't, or would never exist?

 

[ManaByte]

Remember when everyone said this didn't, or would never exist?

Remember when people said it would take $70M to finish and then it did?

People like to split hairs about that. People were screaming that there was a finished cut sitting in a vault somewhere. HBO said that wasn't the case. There was an unfinished assembly cut, and they've spent the last year and $70M to turn it into a finished movie.

HBO Max Boss Confirms the Snyder Cut Doesn’t Actually Exist Yet

In a new interview, Robert Greenblatt explained what’s ahead for the Justice League redux—and how much it could cost.

www.vanityfair.com

“It isn’t as easy as going into the vault and there’s a Snyder Cut sitting in there to put out,” Greenblatt said in the interview. “It does not exist. Zack is actually building it, and it’s complex, including—and I don’t want to get into too much detail that we haven’t already talked about yet—new FX shots. It’s a radical rethinking of that movie and it’s complicated and wildly expensive.” “I’ll just say I wish it was just $30 million and stop there,” he said in the interview. “It’s an enormous undertaking and very complex.”

 

[KyoZz]

No it's not. The SOCIAL MEDIA embargo is lifted, and HBO specifically says it's for POSITIVE reactions. The review embargo has not been lifted yet. The REVIEW embargo is apparently tomorrow.

Do you even know how this works? For every big geek movie there are TWO separate embargoes. The social media embargo is always first, and that's for positive reactions only. The REVIEW embargo is usually a few days later and that's for critical reactions.


Rotten Tomatoes is not a review site. They aggregate all of the critic reviews. Like Metacritic does for games.

Yeah I have to admit I prefer to forge my own opinion so I don't really follow this stuff.
Other than that you seem so salty

Keep it coming, I may (or not) respond if you write something funny enough.

 

[ManaByte]

Yeah I have to admit I prefer to forge my own opinion so I don't really follow this stuff

 

[KyoZz]

 

[DeafTourette]

YTB:

That was freaking EPIC!!!

 

[ManaByte]

This is pretty much what I've been told. Like the first 40 min is pretty uneventful:

 

[Dacon]

This is pretty much what I've been told. Like the first 40 min is pretty uneventful:

Two hours of delete scenes, says it's the same movie.

You can't make this shit up.

 

[Stitch]

 

[ManaByte]

Careful. Someone said I deserved to die from COVID for posting that last week.

 

[DeafTourette]

Careful. Someone said I deserved to die from COVID for posting that last week.

Then they're idiots.

I don't care that you want to make up your own mind about the movie. I do too. You seem to be weighing all the reactions (your friend, twitter reactions) and waiting to see what the end result FOR YOU is... I respect that. I think I'll enjoy it... PROBABLY more than I enjoyed BvS and MoS... 2 movies I LOVED... So we'll see. Theatrical JL was a clusterfrak.

 

[ManaByte]

Theatrical JL was a clusterfrak.

There was some good stuff Whedon added (Bruce's line about the world needing Superman but the team needing Clark was the best thing in any modern DC movie, and that's gone), but the stupid stuff like the Russian family is thankfully gone.

 

[Dacon]

There was some good stuff Whedon added (Bruce's line about the world needing Superman but the team needing Clark was the best thing in any modern DC movie, and that's gone), but the stupid stuff like the Russian family is thankfully gone.

lol