MightySquirrel
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Zen 4 reviews
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Computerbase found performance only drops by 5% when you reduce power consumption to Zen 3 levels.
https://www-computerbase-de.transla...tt_effizienz_bei_reduzierter_tdp_inkl_ecomode
TVexperto
Member
Why? The last two years their videos have become increasingly bias and unwatchable.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Lol I bet a lot of gamers are going to be pissed when these launch just a few months after they bought non-X3D chips.And it's probably not too long to wait for.
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D: Zen 4 V-Cache CPU should launch early in Q1 2023
AMD's second-generation 3D V-Cache arrives after the first wave of Zen 4-powered Ryzen 7000 series, expect a tease soon, Zen 4 V-Cache launches Q1 2023.www.tweaktown.com
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
Kinda meh isn’t it?
That makes them waayyyy better, i'm impressed now. That 142w eco mode should just be the default honestly (or the equivalent on lower tier cpus)
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xcalibersa
Member
Awesome. Those memes off AMD running hot is now back in fashion
I have a 3700X and I notice my room getting warmer when on my desktop... So if I get a 7900, it'll be going here...AMD claims that 95Cº is safe for these CPUs, but damn, these are some toasty boys.
In gaming it's not so bad. But if applications that push all cores, it can get really warm.
Reallink
Member
They'll be much more expensive, very solid chance a 7950 3D comes in at an even $1000 if it actually beats Intel's best. Also unlikely they've solved the production challenges meaning you won't be able to buy one for the first 6/mo+ even if you wanted to. This is why the 7000s aren't using 3D across the board, its expensive and they can't produce them at volume.
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saintjules
Member
I asked this before in another thread, but can't find the bookmark.
As someone with a Ryzen 5 3600, what is the next most sensible jump in terms of CPU?
As someone with a Ryzen 5 3600, what is the next most sensible jump in terms of CPU?
bentanchorbolt
Banned
5800X3D if your mobo supports it
Or if you want to move to AM5, the 7600X seems pretty rad. Elite gaming performance in most cases and much less power consumption that its big bros or the 12900K.
yamaci17
Member
to me, I take cyberpunk as a primary benchmark. in that game, with RT enabled and high crowd density, you will often run into heavy CPU bound situations. so based on Cyberpunk benchmark;
seems like you can do fine with a 5800x 3d
7600x + 6000 mhz ddr5 outeclipses a 5600x by %50 margin. this is actually a huge
7600x + 5200 mhz ddr5 matches 5800x3d, while still beating 5600x by %30 percent
5800x3d also eclipses 5600x by %30 percent
base 5600x eclipses 3600 by %25-30 in cyberpunk with rt (to my knowledge).
so you're looking at a near %70 perf increase with a stock 5800x or 5200 mhz-7600x combo.
in short: stay away from stock 5600x
get whichever is cheaper: either direct 5800xd or 5200/6000 mhz + 7600x
If I were you I would go with 5800x 3D. No need to invest on a new mobo, keep your DDR4 rams, enjoy 16 threads, and enjoy great performance with gigantic cache.
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bentanchorbolt
Banned
This X100000
Only need to upgrade the one part, see instant benefit in all that you do.
Ryzen 5 5600 is $150 on NewEgg right now. Hard to beat as a drop-in replacement. Either you buy that or a 5800X3D for $420, there's really no in-between. Otherwise wait for cheaper AM5 motherboards, Raptor Lake launch etc.
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FingerBang
Member
I am honestly more than fine with my 5800X since I play at higher resolutions, but I'm tired of the limits of B450. I can see myself upgrading once:
1) The 3D chips are out
2) The motherboard prices become reasonable
3) DDR5 gets to DDR4 prices
If you don't know the 3D chips are coming, you probably don't need them. Same if you plan to buy a 4090 to play at 4K.
1) The 3D chips are out
2) The motherboard prices become reasonable
3) DDR5 gets to DDR4 prices
If you're a hardcore gamer who's all about those faster frames at low resolutions, you're probably aware the 3D chips are coming out in a few months.
If you don't know the 3D chips are coming, you probably don't need them. Same if you plan to buy a 4090 to play at 4K.
Takeaway seems to be that performance is good, but don't skimp on the cooler or RAM, or maybe wait for the 3D V-cache models. Doesn't seem to be an amazing upgrade over Zen3/Intel 12th gen.
Truth, is almost as good in gaming as these new parts but can stick with the old ddr4 and motherboard. A much easier upgrade solution.
Truth, is almost as good in gaming as these new parts but can stick with the old ddr4 and motherboard. A much easier upgrade solution.
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bentanchorbolt
Banned
I'm not super worried about temps or power draw. Seems like those are issues with benchmarking, less so doing the things I use a PC for.
saintjules
Member
Thanks all. I am currently using the X370 Killer SLI by ASRock, which is an AM4 AMD board. I don't primarily game on my PC as I use it for Music Production as well. Sometimes the Virtual Instruments require more resources.
Would be good to future proof a bit I guess. Perhaps I'll look into the 5800x 3D if the Board supports it.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
So basically if you can get a current gen cpu at a really good price grab that unless you just like spending 2-3x the amount to "have the best".
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Check out Igorslab.de they’re the only ones that measure average power consumption during different workloads AFAIK.
For gaming 7700x consumes more than the 12700K but less than 5800X.
Although TBH I don’t think I’d buy any new CPU today, unless you already have an AM4 motherboard, then 5800X3D is a no brainer. Otherwise might as well wait till Intel 13th gen and Zen4 X3D and pick between those.
From the computerbase review:
Efficiency seems fine, if you are willing to give up a few percent of performance.
kiphalfton
Member
Yeah, this doesn't look good. Makes me feel better about buying a i5-12400 several months ago (that I have yet to unbox).
Buggy Loop
Member
Yeah, not feeling jelly with my 5600x
Since I’m in a small form factor case, the climb from 65W to 105W and the thermals we see.. no thanks. Soon as you game beyond 1080p the differences are negligible.
I hope AMD returns with a 65W variant in next series.
Since I’m in a small form factor case, the climb from 65W to 105W and the thermals we see.. no thanks. Soon as you game beyond 1080p the differences are negligible.
I hope AMD returns with a 65W variant in next series.
Crayon
Member
Seems great for production, just okay for games. Now that the dust is settling, I'm going to upgrade from my 2600 to a 5800! I jumped on am4 right when it came out with a 1300x because of this promised upgrade path and it's so cool they came through. I picked up a 2600 later on for like $90, and now I can slot in a 5600 or 5800 and roll with my motherboard for like 4 or 5 more years.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
not really. when the current intels reach their temp threshold they throttle down. These Ryzens are made to run at those high temps without throttling.
The power draw across the board for high end cpus and gpus are pretty bad these days though.
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
I was expecting more from the 7600X, the 5700x is a lot cheaper right now and I get to keep the rest of my build. I'll wait another gen before jumping into the DDR5 ecosystem.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
It's as fast, almost as fast, or faster, than the 12900K in all gaming workloads, at $250 cheaper. What more were you expecting?
b0uncyfr0
Member
Exactly - not quite sure what people were expecting here.
Buggy Loop
Member
When is Intel’s next CPU?
JackSparr0w
Banned
Stay away from the best value CPU by a country mile. What are you smoking?
Cyberpunk with max RTX gets 20 fps with a 4090 mate, the 5800X3D is not going to save you. Never overspend on a CPU.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
CPUs so rarely actually "wow" people gen on gen im not sure why people expect huge huge generation leaps between them, especially right now when basically any modern CPU does the job more than adequately.
Each of these new CPU launches is really only for people who are a few generations back in time.
If you have a R3000 or R2000 CPU then this is a good time to upgrade.
Just like the 12th gen was only really for people with 8th or 9th gen.
You shouldnt be upgrading your CPU often.
Even the 4 core....yes 4 core 12100 can basically 120fps games.
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
To wipe the floor with the 12600k... from what I've seen, wins in games and loses in productivity, and raptor lake is coming. If I was in the market to buy a 7950x sure, AMD is more convincing on the top end, but in my price bracket intel is a lot more competitive, and even AMD itself with the 50xx series might make more sense. The 5700x is getting a lot of deals in my region and it might represent a better deal for me.
Reallink
Member
Their unveiling event is tomorrow morning, presumed to launch sometime in Oct or Nov. Clocks are rumored to be approaching 6Ghz, which with no other improvements whatsoever, will likely make them the uncontested and unanimous "Best" gaming CPU's in every price tier until AMD hurriedly rushes out their 3D variants (which will likely face challenges with pricing and availability--i.e. expensive and difficult to manufacturer).
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Trogdor1123
Gold Member
It’s a great chip. Why don’t they do 3d chips for the new ones?
b0uncyfr0
Member
They're coming out next year apparently. Id say those are the real AM5 chips.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Seriously, you really expect to shock anyone?!?
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Insane Metal
Member
Wow I didn't see that coming at all
/s
Seriously though this is a great CPU series but Intel's 13th gen will absolutely reign over them. Intel is back.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
I'd say the 7600X is the infinitely better chip to build around since you get socket AM5 which has much more upward mobility for the future but tbh, it doesn't really matter since everything now is pretty bad ass. Real world use with most hardware configs is amazing.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Hey guys, FYI, I’m going to stick with my [CPU that was top dog until 8 hours ago and that I only use for gaming where I’m GPU-bound anyway].
Just wanted everyone to know. And to make myself feel better.
Just wanted everyone to know. And to make myself feel better.