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Zoe Quinn #meToo / Alec Holowka suicide -- Update: Article questions ZQ's account of events (link in OP)

Whitesnake

Banned

They are using his corpse as a soapbox to talk about "toxic masculinity" and "male fragility". A man committed suicide and these people feel that this is the perfect time to go on a diatribe about how all men are awful. Even in death this guy can't escape the SJW slander media circus.

It is all so tiresome.
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster

They are using his corpse as a soapbox to talk about "toxic masculinity" and "male fragility". A man committed suicide and these people feel that this is the perfect time to go on a diatribe about how all men are awful. Even in death this guy can't escape the SJW slander media circus.

It is all so tiresome.

What a loathsome article. The writer talks about double standards while dismissing Holowka's conditions as "male fragility"... Not to mention the obvious bullshit-factor in claiming that anyone who accepts the claims as less than objective truth is a "troll".

Here's the story in the most basic terms: A claim of misconduct was made publicly, the accused subsequently killed himself, and now we're supposed to carry on as if its somehow a victory for women and oppressed people, and never dare to ask any questions about it.

Does that sound remotely fair or civilized?
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
Basically, if I tweet from inside Pizza Hutt “I fucking love pizza Hutt, feed me like the fat slam pig I am”, but then a few months later take court action against pizza Hutt because Im allergic to pizza and that they are the worst thing ever and I never even set foot in their restaurants... There’s a bit of evidence there to suggest the contrary.
 

FranXico

Member

FranXico

Member
Basically, if I tweet from inside Pizza Hutt “I fucking love pizza Hutt, feed me like the fat slam pig I am”, but then a few months later take court action against pizza Hutt because Im allergic to pizza and that they are the worst thing ever and I never even set foot in their restaurants... There’s a bit of evidence there to suggest the contrary.
Or if you tweet while going out at social events, but then tweet a few years later about how you were locked at home and kept from socislizing, I won't be sure what to believe...
 

DunDunDunpachi

Patient MembeR
Basically, if I tweet from inside Pizza Hutt “I fucking love pizza Hutt, feed me like the fat slam pig I am”, but then a few months later take court action against pizza Hutt because Im allergic to pizza and that they are the worst thing ever and I never even set foot in their restaurants... There’s a bit of evidence there to suggest the contrary.
Zoe was suffering from internalized misogyny, causing her to act out that way during the abusive relationship. Conveniently, this internalized misogyny was also Alec's fault.

Woman would be more charming if one could fall into her arms without falling into her hands.
 

Shmunter

Member

They are using his corpse as a soapbox to talk about "toxic masculinity" and "male fragility". A man committed suicide and these people feel that this is the perfect time to go on a diatribe about how all men are awful. Even in death this guy can't escape the SJW slander media circus.

It is all so tiresome.
You have got to be kidding me. That article, now I’ve seen it all.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member

TheContact

Member
Are women the victim of sexual assault far more often than men are? Yes
Should women speak up both in public and to the police if they are sexually assaulted? Yes
Is it difficult for anyone to come forward with allegations of sexual assault? Yes
Are there sometimes false allegations of sexual assault, higher now especially during the "Believe All Women" ideology? Yes
Is Zoe a known pathological liar? Yes
Was she rightfully harassed for pushing a man to commit suicide via likely false allegations when she herself knows what it's like to suffer from depression? Yes
Did she not go to the police because she knew the allegations were false and any investigation would prove her wrong? Yes
Should she go to jail for pushing a potentially innocent man to kill himself? Abso-fucking-lutely.

Regarding that last point, there was someone in my state who went to jail because she convinced her suicidal boyfriend to kill himself and he did. I know this is slightly different but when a death occurs due to someone's words, the police should get involved. According to her social media post history contradicting her statements on the matter, I believe the police definitely need to get involved and clear this thing up one way or another.
 
I’m sure that the website that published this article and uncovered the tweets in question is nothing more than Alt Right Nazis doing Alt Right Nazi stuff. Something something bad faith yikes hill to die on.

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Now, call her whatever you want but remember it was a suicide. It's still Alec's own choice to take his life in the end. I think calling her murderous is too far even if she's aggressively bullying people.
Please remove your head from your ass. She knew him. She knew of his struggles with mental health. If she lied, as those tweets indeed appear to indicate she did, then she did so with intent of ruining his life knowing full well that him taking his own life was a very real possibility...yet she did it anyway. She may not have pulled the trigger but she certainly chambered a round before handing the gun to him.
 

ExpandKong

Banned
Now, call her whatever you want but remember it was a suicide. It's still Alec's own choice to take his life in the end. I think calling her murderous is too far even if she's aggressively bullying people.

Yeah, I’d like to think she didn’t intend for him to kill himself.

Still, he did, and as someone who A) knew he had struggled for years with mental health issues and B) surely had at least an idea of what would happen when she put her accusation out there, she should be punished somehow.

I’m just wondering what it’ll take for the industry press and dev community to finally cut her loose and stop protecting her. She all but handed him a loaded gun (figuratively of course).

EDIT: ooh double gun metaphors did we just become best friends MeatSafeMurderer MeatSafeMurderer
 
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Yeah, I’d like to think she didn’t intend for him to kill himself.

Still, he did, and as someone who A) knew he had struggled for years with mental health issues and B) surely had at least an idea of what would happen when she put her accusation out there, she should be punished somehow.

I’m just wondering what it’ll take for the industry press and dev community to finally cut her loose and stop protecting her. She all but handed him a loaded gun (figuratively of course).

EDIT: ooh double gun metaphors did we just become best friends MeatSafeMurderer MeatSafeMurderer
At the very least she should be charged with man slaughter
 

danielberg

Neophyte
Is there anything else even comparable to the utter dogshit that is served as "games media" and who immediately jump to defend their own incestuous frauds they propped up years ago like the fuck ups they are.
The amount of beatings some of these bastards at rps, kotaku, polygon, vice and more deserve is a cheque they will sooner or later cash in on the street when they are recognized by some weirdo and boy do they deserve it and have worked for it.
 
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What a moron. Decides to cash in on #meetoo in gaming, and that her "victim" would be the guy that has a history of mental health and self harm issues. Posts lies on twitter and only AFTER the poor guy commits suicide she goes and tries and delete previous tweets contradicting her claims.
 

ROMhack

Member
So while Zoe was in this horribly abusive relationship, she kept love-tweeting Alec while hyping up the game they were working on together. People like her often project their own abusive behavior onto other people and the only reason why she didn't say anything about their relationship back then was simply because there was no notoriety to gain from it. Gaming's #metoo moment turns out to be another social media witch-hunt orchestrated by self-serving people who are making these accusations not for justice, but for personal gain.

Oh and by the way, did that game they were so furiously working on, It's Not Okay Cupid, ever materialize? Of course not, because Zoe Quinn doesn't have the skill or creative talent to finish it by herself. She is not a game developer, but a succubus who lets other people do the dirty work while she tends to her twitter wall grabing all the public attention.

Of course, the usual media vultures like Laurie Penny were already salivating at the prospect of another salacious scandal, doesn't matter how many bodies keep piling up so long as the twitter accusations keep coming:



F*ck you Laurie Penny for siding with a known abuser for the sake of keeping your self-serving narrative alive through such hollow unfounded assumptions. Is Zoe Quinn's fake twitter persona really more important than the tragic end of another person? Where is the justice for her numerous ex-lovers who were dropped like a hot potato once they served their use in furthering Quinn's fake gaming career? Where is the justice for Eron, Alec and all of her other victims? Where were you when Eron's desperate abuse drove him to come out with the Zoe post?

The fact that these twitter accusations are being scrutinized is because from an outside perspective, the accused has a right to be heard as much as the accuser. This has nothing to do with "making an example of women and queer people", it has everything to do with upholding what is just. Doesn't matter if you're a woman or gay, justice is blind and only cares about the facts. If you were truly concerned about the well-being of the victims, you'd make sure these accusations would get a proper trial. Power-hungry self-serving c*nts on twatter latching on to whatever moral panic is served as the soup du jour on social media should never be made judge, jury and executioner and Alec's tragic end is exactly the reason why.

Do people seriously believe that I should take every dumb tweet and social media post as a matter of fact? As a "journalist", Laurie Penny should know better, but we all know that these people are not "journalists", they are lifestyle bloggers selling an ideological brand for financial gain because otherwise they have nothing of substance to say. Get the f*ck off social media and take a look at the real world, but we all know you're trapped in there because your own mirror image frightens you.

For all the hollow virtue-signaling, the endless campaigns against harassment and the emotional pleas for human empathy, in the end it is your toxic cancel culture and ideological zealotry that came at the expense of a human's life. I hope Alec's unfortunate fate will hang over Zoe's head like the sword of Damocles. His life and well-being wasn't worth the 5 minutes of e-fame she tried to squeeze out of this.

It is an unfortunate truth that "dead men can’t tweet back", but it is equally true that we will never forget.

Edit: Thank you kind internet stranger. It is much appreciated, although feeling undeserved for merely stating what should be common sense.

Laurie Penny. Wow, that's a name I haven't heard in a few years. She always used to write such guff (New Statesman and The Guardian specifically).
 
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Hendrick's

If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Is there any hope for our industry anymore if we have people covering up these types of actions?

What a bitch for doing this. I hope that when she dies of old age that God reminds her of the sin she committed and goes to Hell/Purgatory.
She doesn't believe in God so she will be fine.
 

GrayChild

Gold Member
She doesn't believe in God so she will be fine.

Dying of old age would be good enough as a punishment. No sugar daddies or corrupt game journos to sleep with for that extra coverage/patronage.

Also, hopefully by then we'll be living in a better society.
 
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CrustyBritches

Gold Member
strange headache strange headache
Another top-shelf take, my friend. Chelsea tweeted hundreds of times during her stay with Alec, so we get a nice clean profile of her mental and emotional state, and detailed timeline of events.

At this point in her life, I see Chelsea as more of a groupie, but instead of succubus'ing for rockstars, she was going for indie devs. She would "get in" using her creepy pseudo-child pron pics from deviantart, then couch surf while autistic nerds were all but too happy to make her "game" for her.

It's part of her M.O. to turn-and-burn and leave projects unfinished. Her relationship loops are fast and she certainly doesn't have the conviction to finish a game and bring it to market on her own. People will only be maybe be half as excited as you about your game, and money is god. There's only so long she could fake being a game dev, and she's constantly chasing her next high, so she's always leaving and betraying old friends and partners.

Chelsea is basically like those IGN Babe of the Day girls, but without the guts to be stripper or av actor, so she decided to turn her lady bits into a commodity she would trade for help with her indie games career, a couch, and some coffee.
 
Apparently the site is currently experiencing a DDOS attack. The writer is also claiming that her twitter has been receiving several unauthorised login attempts. As someone who's followed the Zoe Quinn saga for a few years now I am not surprised in the least. It's like fucking clockwork at this point.

Anyway, just a heads up.

EDIT: Proof... I think:

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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Apparently the site is currently experiencing a DDOS attack. The writer is also claiming that her twitter has been receiving several unauthorised login attempts. As someone who's followed the Zoe Quinn saga for a few years now I am not surprised in the least. It's like fucking clockwork at this point.

Anyway, just a heads up.

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What total losers. For a trick that fugly too.
 
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Trojita

Rapid Response Threadmaker
A couple of years ago a photographer named Mallorie Nasrallah detailed an experience they had working with Zoe Quinn. Mallorie was shocked at how Zoe Quinn would lie about things for no reason. Quinn even contacted Mallorie's colleagues to say that she was a victim of Mallorie forcing her to look at genital mutilation pictures that horrified her. It's worth a read.

https://www.skepticink.com/incredul...bing-killing-man-alleged-former-photographer/

"Alright, story time. I’ve been basically silent on this issue, I am not sure my contributions are relevant, and I have feared being ostracized and ridiculed. I can accept the latter, but I really hate to waste people’s time.

In 2007 I lived in New Hampshire, and was working as a photographer with a number of soft core “alt” erotica / porn sites. I traveled frequently to work with models affiliated with the websites I was affiliated with. A model working under the name Locke Valentine – this is the woman currently known as Zoe Quinn – modeled for two websites I was affiliated with – she as a model, I as a photographer. One of those websites is still in business, the other – unfortunately the one we communicated via – is no more.

Locke / Zoe was living in Albany, NY at the time. We expressed a desire to collaborate, and set a date for three photoshoots.

In fall of 2007 (according to my EXIF data 10/25/2007) I packed up my equipment and drove the 220 miles to Albany, for a weekend of work with Zoe.

By time I arrived in Albany, Zoe had cancelled one of the three shoots we had planned. She lived in a tiny apartment with her boyfriend / spouse / lover (I did not ask personal questions) and her roommate. I had been assured I could over night with them, and that they had room to accommodate a guest, and room to shoot in. They had neither. We ended up doing an impromptu shoot in the extremely crowded apartment, in the middle of the night, to try to save the shoot. I was not proud of it, but I knew with a bit of editing, it had potential.

While we tried to plan a shoot for the next day Zoe, and Co. chatted with me. She claimed to have stabbed a man – attempted rapist – in the face, who had grabbed her [Edit: Zoe claimed to have killed the man as well, see email screencap below]. She relayed to me no less than three other accounts of alleged violent assault. I will not share the details here, I feel that would be fundamentally indecent. I was alarmed at this, and I admit, by the time she made the claim that she stabbed a man in the face with a knife* and ran away, I was skeptical as well. Two claims involved alleged workplace incidents, and were her prime explanation for why she could not hold a job. I was mildly disconcerted, because true or false, these stories have good cause to make one uneasy. She also claimed to have reported nothing to police, or management at her work.
Mallorie
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out of common decency I have never said a word about how cold, hungry and miserable that weekend was for me, about your reasons for declining the set and how unfair I felt that was, about how disturbed I was that you told me you killed a man, which I must say is a lot more disturbing than talking philosophy and joking about plastic surgery. I am not asking you to talk about our shoot, Im saying that if you are unwilling to tell the whole story what you end up telling is twisted and dishonest. -Mallorie

Locke (Quinn):
That is a bit different from killing someone in self defense while he’s raping you and probably going to kill you when he’s done. I’m sorry you think that’s somehow terribly disturbing, but I am not going to let someone murder me if there’s something that I can do about it, and what I did was completely legal. It’s fucked up that you’re giving me a hard time for it, but I guess it’s my fault for opening up to someone in the first place.

I’m finding it hard to care anymore when you seem to be disregarding what I’m telling you and giving me shit for defending myself on the worst night of my…. That’s really rather low. I’m giving you enough credit to think that you might actually try and understand what I’m saying rather than just getting pissed off and telling me I’m a horrible person for not letting someone kill and finish raping me. I really thought you were better than that. Otherwise I would’ve just ignored your e-mail.


That was not all we discussed, we talked about modeling, the websites, and erotica/porn in general. It was what we both did for a living, and candid conversation on the subject was not unusual.

The next day I had to drive everyone to the location of our shoot, which was her roommate’s place of employment. An arcade. This is the location where the photo shown here was taken. I was irritated that after driving 220 miles, and having to carry all my equipment to a shoot, I was also deliberately given the false impression that Zoe, and Co. would have their own transport. I was also irritated that Zoe could provide neither her own wardrobe for the shoot – it is normal for the model to use her personal items in these sorts of shoots – nor her own food while on site. Keep in mind, we both are paid by a site, once the photos are sold, everything I spent came out of my own pocket. Otherwise the shoot was unremarkable, it went far better than the one the night before, and we all had a basically good time.

We tried for some more photos that afternoon in a forested area Zoe directed me to, but we had neither enough light, or privacy to shoot anything substantial or of value.

I returned home, spent countless hours editing hundreds of photos. It was a terrible experience, but so be it.

When I was ready to send the photos off to Deviant Nation – the site we worked for – I wrote to her to let her know. It was only a few days, a week at most, since I had left Albany, but I ALWAYS get a model’s final approval before I send photos off. As far as I know I am the only photographer working in that specific industry who had that strict policy.

Zoe informed me that her roommate, who had been involved in the shoots, either by being in the apartment, or smuggling us in to her place of work turned out to be a, ” mentally unbalanced cunt,” (her words not mine) among other things, and that it was unacceptable to use ANY of the photos we had taken that weekend. I was pretty upset about this, and sent her several messages asking if perhaps I could talk to the roommate, have her sign a waiver, or something, despite the fact that neither Zoe, nor I, had any legal obligation to ask the roommate’s permission for ANYTHING. Zoe insisted that she was a crazy, evil bitch, and refused to provide me with any sort of contact information.

Finally, weeks later, a handful of other models I had worked with on the site messaged me to inform me that Zoe had written them and told them that I forced her to look at, “mutilated vagina,” pictures, which she said, had horrified her, and she had basically sent me away then and there. The models she told this to knew me, and thankfully came to me with these nonsense claims. We had in fact discussed cosmetic surgery, while talking about modeling, and she had looked up Before/After Breast Implant images. The conversation moved on to Labiaplasty, and we looked at a few of those images as well. So, there is an inch of truth, in the really awful lie she told about me. There was never any force involved, and she was the one controlling the computer the whole time. This took place in her home, on her computer, with her boyfriend and roommate both in the room.

I decided it wasn’t worth the fight. I was eventually contacted by the roommate, who told me a very different story to the one Zoe had, and I let the issue drop.

I was never paid for the images, because I respected her wishes and never published them. I still have the images in archive on my computer, because I archive everything. I was never reimbursed for the gas, wardrobe, or food I purchased on the trip. To someone starting their career, that was quite a dig to my wallet.


7 years later, Zoe is still BY FAR the worst client I have ever had.

What does this story have to do with GamerGate? When I realized Locke was Zoe, I was disgusted to see she was still playing the same games. Stealing, cheating, lying and claiming to be victimized by anyone and everyone. Maybe she did stab some guy in the face, and maybe in the first week at every new job she had, some guy tried to extort sex from her. Maybe that doesn’t establish an MO on her part. But I know, I did nothing wrong to that woman, and I did not deserve to be lied about. I did not deserve to have my time and my money wasted, and even now, I wonder if opening my mouth about this means she will think of some new horse shit to spread about me to try to ruin my career. And that does seem to be her modus operandi.


If this were a courtroom, I would call myself some sort of character witness, and I’ll let you all make of this what you will. Share it if you feel like it, I couldn’t keep my mouth shut and watch her try to stomp out all the fires she has started by shitting on any more people’s careers."

*Edit
Upon reading though archived emails, I discovered I can confirm and prove that she claimed to have killed the man she stabbed. (screenshot of email, irrelevant details redacted.)
 
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ROMhack

Member
Apparently the site is currently experiencing a DDOS attack. The writer is also claiming that her twitter has been receiving several unauthorised login attempts. As someone who's followed the Zoe Quinn saga for a few years now I am not surprised in the least. It's like fucking clockwork at this point.

Anyway, just a heads up.

EDIT: Proof... I think:

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They should play some games instead.
 

Lunk

Member
If she never made that tweet, he would not have killed himself. She was the one who pushed him to his death. This is fact.
Again, it is skewed to say that she intentionally drove him to suicide. She did her part of this incident for attention and agenda-pushing, not to kill a person. It was the straw that broke the camel's back. I don't think she has remorse but I think it's important as the reactionary group of people we are, to be better at distinguishing things, and I'm totally sure she never intended to push someone to suicide. That says nothing about whether she feels guilty now or not, which I think she doesn't because like all those "Basic human decency" claimers or "empathy" claimers they don't act out what they profess, and if I'm taking it the extra mile, they don't even know what it means.
 

Naru

Member
Jesus, what a monster this has become. How deep does the rabbit hole go? I hope they take her in at least for questioning.
 
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nush

Gold Member
Can
Yep. This is the exact same shit that happened right after the goddamn Zoe Post came out. It's fucking weird and no one has a sane explanation for any of it. Shit's gonna get weird fellas.
someone find and link that Joe Rogan video where he interviews a woman who was threatened/warned by Zoe Quinn and then an hour later the woman was bombarded by phone calls and tweets. I'm on mobile, can't search now myself.

This is exactly the same shit.
 

zenspider

Member
So, given that the Post Millenial article is a good source of debunking claims, we can sort of set up a timeline from sources.
Luckily, I'm one of those nerds that likes data, structures and tables.

ROUGH DATEZOE'S CLAIMSPOST MILLENNIAL FINDINGSCONCLUSION
PRE-MARCH 2012 (Zoe goes on to say this she meets Alec "one month after the assault", so we can place this around about February-ish)Abuse from an Unnamed Assailant [zoe notes: paragraph 2 & 3]No comment in the PM article on thisNo conclusion - zoe doesn't name this abuser, and quickly mentions that "this isn't about him. I've forgiven him." We can ignore this claim, for now for the purpose of this Alec case. PM doesn't mention it.
START OF MARCH 2012Give that Zoe's notes gives us a rough date of the previous abuse at Feburary, she meets Alec "one month later", placing that around march. We can conclude that they start chatting around here.PM found multiple snippets from a podcast in which Zoe goes on to explain how she met alec, via DMs on twatter.
MARCH 2012Zoe doesn't specify when she gears up to go to Winnpeg to live with Alec in the zoe notes source.PM found, from archived tweets, that Zoe was preparing to go to Winnipeg around MarchWe can conclude that Zoe prepared to leave Toronto for Winnipeg in March
MARCH END / APRIL START 2012As above, zoe doesn't specify when she moves to WinnipegUsing dozens of archived tweets from Zoe's twitter, PM very reliably places the move date around this timeWe can conclude that Zoe moves from Toronto to Winnipeg around the start of April (if not the end of March)
APRIL START TO MID APRIL 2012During this period, zoe claims a bulk of things done by Alec in the zoe notes [paragraph 7] Part of Zoe's claims during this period is that Alec isolated her and locked her away from the 3 unnamed friends during this period.Around this time, Zoe and Alec appear together on a Podcast, explaining how they met on twitter, their relationship, and their project Not Ok Cupid (never released). Obviously, no mention of abuse happens on the podcast. Alec mentions that he spent some time on OK Cupid before meeting zoe. Hence the project. There are dozens and dozens of tweets detailing their time through-out april in Winnipeg. Including arranging a meet-up, shopping, and so on.We can conclude that Alec probably did not shut Zoe away and isolate her, at least for the most part, because they often tweeted about their movements. Assuming the tweets are true, for now.

NOTE: There's alot of say-so about Alec's mental instability (including gossip of his own posted in 2016). We can assume that he wasn't very stable. We can probably assume that the relationship wasn't all that easy, either.
MID APRIL 2012This is around the time (2 weeks later) that zoe would of moved back to Winnipeg after staying with Alec, as they supposedly agreed, according to the zoe notes source [zoe notes: paragraph 3] Zoe would by the ticket there, Alec would by her the ticket back. They were supposed to live in an "indie house" with 3 others (unnamed) this was what they agreed pre-zoe's-departure. She would claim to stay for a full monthThere's no real mention of the 2 week plan in the PM article.We can conclude that she definitely stayed longer than two weeks. What's debatable here is: was that the original plan? Was the "two week" plan a lie?
END OF APRIL/ MAY START 2012This is probably around where Zoe claims to have come back (one month later) using air miles provided to her by a friend, since Alec refused to buy her a flight back as they previously agreed. She claims to have flown back with no mention of other travels. As if escaping.The PM article has screencaps of a tweet dated May 2nd, that details a going to a Winnipeg meet up, then going to Montreal and Toronto (she heads to Toronto on the 4th)By Zoe's tweet, we can conclude that she did travel back to Toronto around a month later. She PROBABLY didn't use a friend's air miles to escape Winnipeg, as she obviously travelled to Montreal as well.
MAY 10th 2012-Is the last known tweet between Alec and Zoe, as detailed in the PM articleI can't conclude much here, apart from they stopped communicating. Could be because of the "amiable break up email" Zoe claimed to have sent after arriving back in Toronto
POST MAY 10th 2012In the zoe notes, she claims that here Alec "banned her from an indie gaming community he ran, banned himself, asked other industry leaders to help him commit suicide"None of this is detailed in the PM Article. But it does mention Alec's mental instability, and other people agreeing that he was suicidal.We can conclude that Alec is capable of lashing out like this given a history of instability.
We can perhaps conclude that the "community" in question is the indie meetup they arranged together called Windiepeg.
GAMERGATE START (earliest account, August 2014 ish, but we don't know what Zoe regards as the start of GG)Zoe claims that multiple people came forward with claims of Alec's abusive behaviour.No mention of this in PM.We can conclude here that, using evidence of Alec's instability, that perhaps some people did contact Zoe about his behaviour. The 3 unnamed friends or one of the ~38 devs attending Windiepeg would be viable candidates
August 28th 2019 (now)Zoe's statement about Alec's alleged abuse. Multiple people back her up in variable degrees, such as Laurie Pennie, and the other devs of Night in the Woods, to a very small degree Alec's sister alsoDuring this phase, Zoe deletes her twitter account only to reactivate it days later as "protected", someone archives lots of tweets and feeds them to PM, as part of the article. The article mentions that many tweets around the period specified in this timeline was DELETED, but managed to get screencapped in a video, sent to PM as part of the article.Alec commits suicide some time after. The vast majority of games news outlets just mention "died"; being unusually respectful. Zoe goes into twitter damage control, deleting tweets from the period with Alec, but she's too slow. The two other devs also delete their accounts, perhaps for the same reason. Though now their accounts are back online [1] [2]

CONCLUDING...
Given the timeline above: I think Quinn moved to Winnipeg to be with Alec and work on Not OK Cupid. I dont think they planned on it just being a 2 week period. I think they had a rough relationship while there, due to Zoe being a megalomaniac and Alec being quite unstable. I think Zoe's claims are inflated, as she is a serial liar. But I don't think it was a very nice relationship. I think Zoe scrounging air miles from a friend to escape is a lie, she returned as part of broader travel. Not OK Cupid was not finished, probably due to Zoe's breaking up with Alec due to email, which he did not take well (as expected). Why did Zoe inflate her claims? Apart from the usual filter of exaggeration and lies that comes with her, I don't think there was a profit motivation. It was more than likely because she wanted to be a part of a bigger, more dramatic narrative of her time in Winnipeg. I think she has a deep issue with trying to see more rough-n-tough than she actually is. I don't think she specifically knew Alec would kill himself and it was a huge shock (as it should be.)

She is actually asshole-to-elbow deep in lies she can't spin quick enough. Like trying to lay down track as she's speeding along.

P.s.
If you're journalist reading this table don't use it, make your own timeline using the same sources plus more, then compared the accounts. This took me a little under an hour... It's your day job. At least until your supervisor has to axe you because the public don't want to read about opinions from 30k-a-year-self-loathing-spin-doctor who's never set foot in an actual work-force.

P.s.s
If there are issues with the timeline, feel free to copypasta it with adjustments! If I have missed someone, or a date is wrong etc, then fix it. It's open to investigation.

Please add to OP!!!

So helpful to unravel this clusterfuck.
 
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