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TC McQueen · Mar 20, 2014

Chettlar said:
Did they say specifically that it will be Windows 8 exclusive.

Not yet, but we're not at the end yet.

ethomaz · Mar 20, 2014

gamechanger87 said:
On d3d12, overall CPU utilization is down 50% compared to dcd11.

Someone provide me with an idea of the impact of this?

From start weak CPUs will perform better with mid/strong GPUs.

Rogue_Ledr · Mar 20, 2014

Here is anoter question: IF the XB1 can take advantage of this stuff (which I remain somewhat dubious on) can the PS4 do so as well?

justsomeguy · Mar 20, 2014

When do they reveal the dgpu?

SEGAvangelist · Mar 20, 2014

ZombieFred said:
Is it for Windows 8 only?

No clue yet.

VisceralBowl · Mar 20, 2014

Rogue_Ledr said:
Here is anoter question: IF the XB1 can take advantage of this stuff (which I remain somewhat dubious on) can the PS4 do so as well?

It can, but it won't

Also:

mercenar1e · Mar 20, 2014

do we need to upgrade our graphic cards?

Chettlar · Mar 20, 2014

About the GPU in any way?

Ryan Shrout said:
Also planning to advance state of rendering features. Feature level 12.

Broken Hope · Mar 20, 2014

Rogue_Ledr said:
Here is anoter question: IF the XB1 can take advantage of this stuff (which I remain somewhat dubious on) can the PS4 do so as well?

A lot of what's been talked about the consoles are already doing.

Pungza · Mar 20, 2014

Rogue_Ledr said:
Here is anoter question: IF the XB1 can take advantage of this stuff (which I remain somewhat dubious on) can the PS4 do so as well?

PS4 uses OpenGL

mephixto · Mar 20, 2014

Rogue_Ledr said:
When will the first GPUs supporting this release?

Will Maxwell support DX12?

Overhead issues should be hardware agnostic, its something that MS was supposed to adress years ago.

Other features included on DX12 are probably tied to hardware and need an upgrade to support them.

justsomeguy · Mar 20, 2014

Rogue_Ledr said:
Here is anoter question: IF the XB1 can take advantage of this stuff (which I remain somewhat dubious on) can the PS4 do so as well?

No; the PS4 is built on OpenGL so any benefits built into DirectX won't be on the PS4. The PS4 libraries may well already have, or can add, their own similar optimisations.

Phil4000 · Mar 20, 2014

ZombieFred said:
Is it for Windows 8 only?

Why? The Windows 8 hate has been overblown... I see no major problems with the OS in its current state (8.1)

Windows 8.1 update 1 is is also coming in April with even more improvements
Its a pretty major update, details here: http://www.informationweek.com/mobi...-10-key-changes/d/d-id/1114156?image_number=2

ethomaz · Mar 20, 2014

Pungza said:
PS4 uses OpenGL

No.

Uses two proprietary APIs I don't remember the name right now.

justsomeguy said:
No; the PS4 is built on OpenGL so any benefits built into DirectX won't be on the PS4. The PS4 libraries may well already have, or can add, their own similar optimisations.

No OpenGL on PS4.

aeolist · Mar 20, 2014

rakkadakka said:
Please don't let this thread turn into a please don't force W8 on us thread.

they already have dx11 on vista and 7, there's no reason to force w8

Rogue_Ledr · Mar 20, 2014

Pungza said:
PS4 uses OpenGL

Ahhh well OK I guess that makes sense. Forgot about Open GL,.

Hard to believe that is still kicking after all these years.

Chobel · Mar 20, 2014

Rogue_Ledr said:
Here is anoter question: IF the XB1 can take advantage of this stuff (which I remain somewhat dubious on) can the PS4 do so as well?

Yes, already doing it.

ekim · Mar 20, 2014

Turn10 on stage.

Banjo-Kazooie · Mar 20, 2014

Forza on stage now

VisceralBowl · Mar 20, 2014

Forza 5 is apparently being shown

GreyWind · Mar 20, 2014

Chettlar · Mar 20, 2014

Are they discussing improvements to Forza 5?

If not, what are they saying?

justsomeguy · Mar 20, 2014

Broken Hope said:
A lot of what's been talked about the consoles are already doing.

I think the ability to scale way better with multi-cores (i.e. not rely on a single main thread doing most the work) will be new on xbox one (or if it's already on xbox one that implies xbox one has a preview version of dx12 in its sdk at present)

DJSebolski · Mar 20, 2014

Pretty sure it will be Win 7 and Win 8. IF they have common sense...

Dredd97 · Mar 20, 2014

Pungza said:
PS4 uses OpenGL

And somebody on sonys' ice team will probably write a wrapper for it anyway (if it's needed)...

Nostremitus · Mar 20, 2014

Rogue_Ledr said:
Here is anoter question: IF the XB1 can take advantage of this stuff (which I remain somewhat dubious on) can the PS4 do so as well?

Nah, if anything, it means their XBone API wasn't up to snuff to begin with. A console's API should've already been optimized for the set hardware.

Metfanant · Mar 20, 2014

Something that I think people forget so easily is that Mantle and DX12 are API's that are attempting to bring CONSOLE LIKE coding to PC's....consoles by nature already do a lot of the things these new API's do...

aeolist · Mar 20, 2014

mercenar1e said:
do we need to upgrade our graphic cards?

if the xbone supports the full set of dx12 features then any dx11.1 card should work as well

heyf00L · Mar 20, 2014

mercenar1e said:
do we need to upgrade our graphic cards?

Just download a new one.

justsomeguy · Mar 20, 2014

Just one person post pics please - decide who among yourselves ;-)

Ohhhh porting Forza to DX12 NOW it gets interesting...

VisceralBowl · Mar 20, 2014

"Ryan Shrout: 4 man-months effort to port core rendering engine."

also
"Ryan Shrout: Demo time!"

GreyWind · Mar 20, 2014

Demo incoming!

ekim · Mar 20, 2014

Oh they are porting it to dx12. Now it will look like the E3 demo?

BennyBlanco · Mar 20, 2014

forza 5 running on a PC?

Banjo-Kazooie · Mar 20, 2014

"4 man-months effort to port core rendering engine to D3D12"

sangreal · Mar 20, 2014

forza 5 on pc? bet that looks nice

ashecitism · Mar 20, 2014

Pungza said:
PS4 uses OpenGL

justsomeguy said:
No; the PS4 is built on OpenGL so any benefits built into DirectX won't be on the PS4. The PS4 libraries may well already have, or can add, their own similar optimisations.

ethomaz said:
No.

Uses two proprietary APIs I don't remember the name right now.

GNM and GNMX.

cyberheater · Mar 20, 2014

So Forza ported to DX12. Wow.

Chettlar · Mar 20, 2014

Ryan Shrout said:
Talking about porting the game to D3D12

---

4 man-months effort to port core rendering engine.

Hmm, so they are improving it it would appear. Has this ever been done to a console game?

Insane Metal · Mar 20, 2014

Forza 5 is DX12? What?

BlackBuzzard · Mar 20, 2014

So the crowd will be 3D now?

justsomeguy · Mar 20, 2014

aeolist said:
if the xbone supports the full set of dx12 features then any dx11.1 card should work as well

Assuming XBox One 's current card is capped at dx11.1 feature level that is...

secret sauce

Ploid 3.0 · Mar 20, 2014

HRose said:
There is literally nothing else to talk about. It's just a more efficient DirectX and the whole deal is whether or not it is dependent on the OS.

Mantle: only ATI
DX12: only Windows 8+

I didn't read outside of the op and a bit of the last page and as far as I know I'm the only one that didn't want to be forced to get W8 to use it because I'd have to buy another OS, when W7 should be more than able to use this (I hope). I didn't mean to steer the conversation, I just made a simple wish. Like not having a AMD GPU for mantle, I would have missed out on D12 because I don't have W8 on my gaming machine.

They did it before with Windows Vista (not comparing the quality of vista with 8). And now we're talking about it more than I expected to. It was a simple wish, I swear.

Broken Hope · Mar 20, 2014

justsomeguy said:
I think the ability to scale way better with multi-cores (i.e. not rely on a single main thread doing most the work) will be new on xbox one (or if it's already on xbox one that implies xbox one has a preview version of dx12 in its sdk at present)

Well it has been talked about in the past that the XB1 tools are a mess so maybe this will bring it to parity or be better than the PS4 tools, the Naughty Dog presentation and their jobs etc showed that the PS4 was already pretty threaded.

VisceralBowl · Mar 20, 2014

GreyWind · Mar 20, 2014

digoutyoursoul · Mar 20, 2014

Forza ??

blastprocessor · Mar 20, 2014

Will the visuals be improved in Forza 5 then just because of DX12?

Nzyme32 · Mar 20, 2014

Insane Metal said:
Forza 5 is DX12? What?

ported to and with limited feature set

cyberheater · Mar 20, 2014

I wonder if the cut out cardboard crowds in Forza look better with DX12?

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