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Official Fitness Thread of Whipping Your Butt into Shape

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dabig2

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God's Beard said:
My usual schedule:
Monday:Cardio + Lifting
Tuesday:Cardio
Wednesday:Cardio + Lifting
Thursday:Cardio
Friday:Cardio + Lifting
Saturday: Cardio
Sunday:Cardio

Although, if I do HIIT, that cardio's gonna change. Should I put more emphasis on lifting?

That's a lot of working out there. Way too much cardio IMO. If you're looking to get bigger, maybe try MWF: Lifting and T,TH,Sat for HIIT. So you basically alternate lifting and cardio/HIIT. Trust me, it may seem like you're not getting enough done per day, but let me tell you it's pretty damn grueling!

And it's efficient, moreso than the workload you're putting on your body with the former schedule. Body can't grow when it's continually being worked like a slave!


And congrats to you nastynate409. That's a pretty awesome achievement there. Bonus being you look prime for some heavy cutting with weights. And also a good reminder for people (America in general) that the first step into getting in shape is just to diet right and get active a little.
 

Jirotrom

Member
nastynate409 said:
After 10 months of working out and eating right I've knocked off about 110 pounds. I went from 321 lbs to 210 lbs. Here are some before and after pics. I did this by eating healthy and walking. No jogging routine, and I did not stick to any weight lifting plan. I just walked 45 minutes everyday at a comfortable 2.5 mph. I tossed out the junk food and soda. I began to eat salads and other healthy options. I have only drank water and juice since I started the new lifestyle on September 25th 2007.

It was a GAF thread from last year that I have to thank for my motivation (and my doctors telling me I should lose weight after having back surgery). Someone wanted GAF'ers who were trying to lose weight to keep a journal of their weight loss to help motivate others. I stuck to that journal and it really worked well for me.

Before at roughly 310 pounds.
l_69ab0c3f5660c158f38eeefb68331513.jpg


After at 210 pounds.
standingtall.jpg


Not the best picture, but it's hard to get a self portrait that is showing your upper body.

Now my plan is to begin to do some strength training and get some muscle definition.
Congrats, alot of folks fail to realize calorie intake is very important, not taken in more than you need, you basically curbed it by getting rid of your high calorie foods, good job man.
 

aznpxdd

Member
nastynate409 said:
After 10 months of working out and eating right I've knocked off about 110 pounds. I went from 321 lbs to 210 lbs. Here are some before and after pics. I did this by eating healthy and walking. No jogging routine, and I did not stick to any weight lifting plan. I just walked 45 minutes everyday at a comfortable 2.5 mph. I tossed out the junk food and soda. I began to eat salads and other healthy options. I have only drank water and juice since I started the new lifestyle on September 25th 2007.

It was a GAF thread from last year that I have to thank for my motivation (and my doctors telling me I should lose weight after having back surgery). Someone wanted GAF'ers who were trying to lose weight to keep a journal of their weight loss to help motivate others. I stuck to that journal and it really worked well for me.

Before at roughly 310 pounds.
[im]http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x195/nastynate409/l_69ab0c3f5660c158f38eeefb68331513.jpg[/img]

After at 210 pounds.
[im]http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x195/nastynate409/standingtall.jpg[/img]

Not the best picture, but it's hard to get a self portrait that is showing your upper body.

Now my plan is to begin to do some strength training and get some muscle definition.

Congrats man, it takes some strong will power to go that long without touching junk food.
 

zhenming

Member
Some tips that have helped me go from 150 to 125 in a month, can't apply to everyone, but helps...

- actually drinking lots of water non-stop like going to bathroom ever 30mins, its a hassle, but water keeps you hydrated, healthy, and makes you want to get up off that couch to go to the bathroom unless you can hold it for like forever... For the people with acne, it actually helps a lot too

- do some easy jogging, running, swimming, or jumprope if you don't want to leave the house. I myself did running for an easy 2-4 days a week depending on the season for 20-60mins each time. try to keep the same momentum so your body dosent have to strain every time you change speeds.

- if it helps listen to your favorite music, it gets me pumped.

- after working out you might feel really really hunger, so try to eat some healthy filling foods.

- a lot of people here want to lose weight, but all they do in the gym is lift, but muscle is not going to show up if you just lift, theres still that layer of fat you need to get rid of.

- to the people who get aches after they work out, or strains, be sure youre doing it right if not it could have long term implications if you dont save yourself...

- many people look at the back of food and look only at the fat when its mainly about calories. high calories turns out to be fat or something to that extent, you need to burn more calories than you eat when trying to lose weight, thus running, etc... helps.

- skip the junk food, you can eat meat, but remember to work it off

- eggs help with muscle growth like a lot don;t worry about cholesterol when youre young...

- I'm currently keeping my running schedule, and eating everything except junk foods, and I still keep my figure. So I believe in exercise over diet. and I DON'T believe in those pills or drinks, whatever.

- working off the fat makes your muscle show up better. so I first ran then started push ups and sit ups, and all that jazz.

I know some of you might disagree, but it helped me lose 25 in time for the beach, so it should help at least someone...

Good job to all the inspirational people here. Its so nice to see that people are seeing results after working their asses off I know how it feels. Its like going to war and winning a victory or dying honorable next to your comrades, however way you like it..
 
dabig2 said:
That's a lot of working out there. Way too much cardio IMO. If you're looking to get bigger, maybe try MWF: Lifting and T,TH,Sat for HIIT. So you basically alternate lifting and cardio/HIIT. Trust me, it may seem like you're not getting enough done per day, but let me tell you it's pretty damn grueling!

And it's efficient, moreso than the workload you're putting on your body with the former schedule. Body can't grow when it's continually being worked like a slave!
Ok, I'll try that. It's going to be interesting trying to get over running every day. Should I split up the core excersizes or do them on the same day? It's kinda hard doing squats, lunges and deadlifts on the same day...

Should I keep doing pushups and situps every day, or should I lump them in the lifting days? Should I throw yoga in with HIIT, or keep doing that every day as part of my streching routine?


Jesus. NastyNate, you're a hero. It took me about that long to go from 240 to 180, got me beat. I got tempted by Pizza...
 

aznpxdd

Member
zhenming said:
Some tips that have helped me go from 150 to 125 in a month, can't apply to everyone, but helps...

stuff

Good job to all the inspirational people here. Its so nice to see that people are seeing results after working their asses off I know how it feels. Its like going to war and winning a victory or dying honorable next to your comrades, however way you like it..

Damn, 125? How tall are you? 125 to me is a bag of bones...
 

I_D

Member
zhenming said:
125 is pretty good for someone at 5 8 :(


I'm 5'10 and 125lbs would be stick-thin for me; though I have a naturally stocky body type (I love my broad chest, but damn it makes abs hard to show up).
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Sheeeit.

I just measure my height at the gym, and realized that I am 6'6 in shoes, not 6'5 :lol

Also, weighed in at 179lbs. Getting closer and closer to my goal.

Tonight's workout session went a lot better than last time, and I even did my squats at a higher weight without too much trouble. The last few reps were tough, but I pulled through.
 

winnarps

Member
Should I be feeling sore the day after the Rippetoe workout schedule I'm on?

More specifically, I feel like my workouts are hard when I'm doing them, but I haven't ever felt sore afterwards besides my abs from the ab work I do.

My arms are a bit jelly today from the Military Presses I did yesterday, and I can feel only a very small burn in my thighs from the squats, but other than that I'm not sore at all. Doing squats only hurts my neck some because of holding the bar tight to my lower neck/shoulders. I'm surprised that my ass doesn't hurt and with the very minimal burn in my thighs.

It might be the weight I'm using on the bar. I started out with 95lbs (incl. bar) for bench press/squats/military press/pendlay rows and 115lbs for deadlift. When I alternate these, I'm adding 5-10 lbs (mostly just 5 to keep the progress steady but small).

The only short-term effect I've noticed is that my posture while sitting has changed. I tend to sit up straight more and it feels like my torso in general is a lot more 'solid'.
 

yacobod

Banned
JB1981 said:
I've hit a serious wall with my bench.

Today was flat bench day. I took 4 days off the gym because I just came off being sick and my lower back has really hurt me lately.

Anyway, I'm stuck on 185 for 12, 205 for 10 and 225 for 4.

I think it's time to move up in increments of 5.

5x5

215
220
225
230
235
-- what do you guys think?

I think I waste a lot of energy doing the lower weight for high reps. I need to break through this wall.

simple answer put on some body weight

either that or train with higher weight and lower reps

3x3 or 5x5

you're 5x5 might be pushing it if you can't do 225 for 5
 

Omne

Banned
winnarps said:
Should I be feeling sore the day after the Rippetoe workout schedule I'm on?

More specifically, I feel like my workouts are hard when I'm doing them, but I haven't ever felt sore afterwards besides my abs from the ab work I do.

My arms are a bit jelly today from the Military Presses I did yesterday, and I can feel only a very small burn in my thighs from the squats, but other than that I'm not sore at all. Doing squats only hurts my neck some because of holding the bar tight to my lower neck/shoulders. I'm surprised that my ass doesn't hurt and with the very minimal burn in my thighs.

It might be the weight I'm using on the bar. I started out with 95lbs (incl. bar) for bench press/squats/military press/pendlay rows and 115lbs for deadlift. When I alternate these, I'm adding 5-10 lbs (mostly just 5 to keep the progress steady but small).

The only short-term effect I've noticed is that my posture while sitting has changed. I tend to sit up straight more and it feels like my torso in general is a lot more 'solid'.

It's really normal to be sore, especially if you just started a workout routine. When you do things differently, whether it be doing new exercises, changing weight, changing intensity, etc., your body begins to devote more muscle fibers to the workout. Your body needs time to adapt to what you're making it do. Eventually the soreness will go away.

Also, high protein intake helps to curb soreness.
 

dmann

Member
winnarps said:
Should I be feeling sore the day after the Rippetoe workout schedule I'm on?

Usually means you had a good workout the day before, keep at it. If you're not feeling sore the day after then you need to work harder during you workout.

I usually feel tightness in my thighs and butt from doing squats. You start to definately feel it when you make a trip up or down a flight of stairs.
 

DSWii60

Member
Omne said:

Thanks. I'm not sure I could do all of that, but I'll definitely try some of it out. The problem I have with HIIT is that my treadmill only goes upto 8.8mph so although at the moment I can run only about 2-3 minutes at that speed (yes, that's how much I suck at running), soon I won't be able to do it.
 

lil smoke

Banned
dmann said:
Usually means you had a good workout the day before, keep at it. If you're not feeling sore the day after then you need to work harder during you workout.

I usually feel tightness in my thighs and butt from doing squats. You start to definately feel it when you make a trip up or down a flight of stairs.
That's generally how I feel too, but lately, after some discussion here... I've decided that I can go without working that hard every workout. Like today, I felt fatigued, but not tight at all.

Sometimes, it's not good to be too sore. What if some shit goes down, and you need to defend yourself, and you're too tight to move? :lol I dunno I always consider that what if...
 

dabig2

Member
God's Beard said:
Ok, I'll try that. It's going to be interesting trying to get over running every day. Should I split up the core excersizes or do them on the same day? It's kinda hard doing squats, lunges and deadlifts on the same day...

Right now I follow a Rippetoe/Stronglifts hybrid program, where I end up doing at least 2 core exercises on the same day. So on 1 day, it's squats + deadlifts. On another day it's front squats + Powercleans. And then on another day it's squats + lunges.

And yes, I love squats :)


God's Beard said:
Should I keep doing pushups and situps every day, or should I lump them in the lifting days? Should I throw yoga in with HIIT, or keep doing that every day as part of my streching routine?

I do crunches and pushups everyday. Though on my non-workout days, I try not to go too crazy with them (15 reps for each before and after I do HIIT). I think doing yoga every day for a stretching routine is great too. And well, it's just good for the body to do every day ;)
 

Ace 8095

Member
JB1981 said:
I've hit a serious wall with my bench.

Today was flat bench day. I took 4 days off the gym because I just came off being sick and my lower back has really hurt me lately.

Anyway, I'm stuck on 185 for 12, 205 for 10 and 225 for 4.

I think it's time to move up in increments of 5.

5x5

215
220
225
230
235
-- what do you guys think?

I think I waste a lot of energy doing the lower weight for high reps. I need to break through this wall.
It might be that you can still add weight to the bench every time you bench. If that’s the case the go with 3x5. If you’re only able to add weight to the bar in a weekly basis following the 5x5 on Monday 3x3 on Friday madcow style routine might be the best. What I would do is follow you plan except go with 3x5. It harder to get stuck on 3x5 than 5x5 so it always best to follow 3x5 if you can still make linear progress. Also don't be afraid to make 2.5 or even 1.25 pound jumps. If you started today benching 220 and added only 1.25 pounds, you would be benching 317.5 in one year.
 

Ace 8095

Member
winnarps said:
Should I be feeling sore the day after the Rippetoe workout schedule I'm on?

More specifically, I feel like my workouts are hard when I'm doing them, but I haven't ever felt sore afterwards besides my abs from the ab work I do.

My arms are a bit jelly today from the Military Presses I did yesterday, and I can feel only a very small burn in my thighs from the squats, but other than that I'm not sore at all. Doing squats only hurts my neck some because of holding the bar tight to my lower neck/shoulders. I'm surprised that my ass doesn't hurt and with the very minimal burn in my thighs.

It might be the weight I'm using on the bar. I started out with 95lbs (incl. bar) for bench press/squats/military press/pendlay rows and 115lbs for deadlift. When I alternate these, I'm adding 5-10 lbs (mostly just 5 to keep the progress steady but small).

The only short-term effect I've noticed is that my posture while sitting has changed. I tend to sit up straight more and it feels like my torso in general is a lot more 'solid'.
As long as your adding weight to the bar, you’re following the program correctly and no amount of soreness can say otherwise. I would suggest adding 15-20 pounds to your deadlift each time, 10 pounds to your squat, and 5 to the others. Also you will soon be unable to add 5 pounds each time, so I suggest making some of these http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/Topics/Microloading.htm
 

winnarps

Member
Ace 8095 said:
As long as your adding weight to the bar, you’re following the program correctly and no amount of soreness can say otherwise. I would suggest adding 15-20 pounds to your deadlift each time, 10 pounds to your squat, and 5 to the others. Also you will soon be unable to add 5 pounds each time, so I suggest making some of these http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/Topics/Microloading.htm

Yeah, I think I'm gonna do this. Add a bit more than usual to the bar until it becomes a lot harder. And then move forward with the microweights.
 
Boogie said:
WTF do you mean, "pretty good"? I'm 5'8" and 180lbs.
Same, 5'9" and 180.

Dabig said:
Right now I follow a Rippetoe/Stronglifts hybrid program, where I end up doing at least 2 core exercises on the same day. So on 1 day, it's squats + deadlifts. On another day it's front squats + Powercleans. And then on another day it's squats + lunges.

And yes, I love squats :)




I do crunches and pushups everyday. Though on my non-workout days, I try not to go too crazy with them (15 reps for each before and after I do HIIT). I think doing yoga every day for a stretching routine is great too. And well, it's just good for the body to do every day ;)
Ok, sounds good, today's HIIT day one, wish me luck :p
 

Omne

Banned
God's Beard said:
OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK GUYS WHAT THE FUCK AHHHHHHHHHHHHH MY LEGS IS LIKE LINGUINI WHAT THE FUCK

15 minutes of hell...

That's exactly how they should feel! Good job. :lol
 

JB1981

Member
so i've had some lower back issues for a while now. never really had anything diagnosed but my lower back area has always been very tender and i would occasionally get shooting pains down my legs. well, i finally did it.

I almost can't even sit in this chair right now. I absolutely blew my back out doing deadlifts today. I almost feel like a cripple. It wasn't even like I pulled something duringi the workout ..... I think I have just aggravated whatever was bothering me so dramatically that .. i mean... I don't even know. I can hardly walk. I don't think I will be able to go to work tomorrow, even. I am so pissed right now. This is going to set me back big time, I'm afraid. I only deadlifted 225 today (and it was heavy for me) but shit ... this is just horrible. I am in so much pain right now. I can't even do simple things like drag my body out of bed. I am icing on and off for 20 minutes and I'm going to take some advil but this is BAD. FUCK ME
 
I read all the thread (all 105 pages of it, without the OP) and I am motivated to become a whole lot stronger and stronger

I am around 1.74 (around 5' 9") and my weight has drifted from 74 kg (163 lb) last year to up to 81 kg (178 lbs) when I used to go to the gym like 4 years ago down to 74kg again and up to 81 kg of fat last may.

I went to America for an exchange program and the last month was hell for me, I grew stomach and my pants almost didn't fit by the end of the program! Talk about junk food.

I am back in Mexico and I decided I wanted no more of that fat, my family has a long story of diabetes and I want none of that, plus I've worked out before so how hard could it be?

I went jogging, distance first, from 2km then to 3km and then doing speed, 5 track laps (2.25 km) in 9 minutes.

I have lost about 5 kg (right now I am 77'ish) but already went down to 31 waist pants, feels awesome!

The thing is, I want to become stronger but I've yet to find a Gym that caters to the training that you guys propose

I was thinking of doing this routine:
Monday
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench press / Press (Alternating)
Chin-ups: 3 sets to failure or add weight if completing more than 15 reps

Tuesday
HiIT that I currently do at the local track
-Track sprint
-Stairs up and down
-10 pushups
-20 declined abs
4 reps, no rest, to the max (last Tuesday I really couldn't really do the last sprint so much as jog it so that's my goal)

Wednesday
3x5 Squat
3x5 Press / Bench Press (Alternating)
1x5 Deadlift

Thursday
Same HiIT as Tuesday

Friday
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press / Press (Alternating)
Pull-ups: 3 sets to failure or add weight if completing more than 15 reps

My diet is very very diverse, basically it is:
Breakfasts: Eggs, tortillas, beans, cheese or beef, with tomato sauce and chile. I don't usually eat ALL of this together, but most Mexican breakfasts are a mix of the previous ingredients. Milk most of the time.

Snacks: Some seeds or sandwich and fruits. Lots of fruits >_<

Meals: I eat a variety of Fish, Beef and chicken with lots of veggies and fruits with corn tortillas sometimes. I must remark that I eat fish about 3 or 4 times a week. I eat hamburgers about once a month, pizza about once a once or twice a month and pasta once a week or less.

Snack: Bananas or a yogurt

Dinner: Quesadillas (corn tortilla with melted cheese) or cereal or 3 tacos (flour tortilla with carne asada, onion and coriander with lemon, and sauce made of tomato, onion, chile and avocado), these are smaller than American STUFF IT ALL INSIDE TACOS.

Drinks: We always prepare fruit drinks at home, banana juice, apple juice, orange juice, watermelon juice, cucumber juice. Almost no sugar, we get tons of fruits so we make the most out of them. I drink lots of water. I consume soda about 5 or 6 times a week, not much not everyday and I don't specially care for them.

I concede that I drink on weekends, about a six pack per night two nights a week (fri's and sat's usually). I don't go out most weekends and sometimes I don't drink at all so itf luctuates. I drink mostly beer.

Things I've learned from these thread

1- Most gym instructors know jack and shit. I've learned this the hard way!
2- You can lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, which is what I am trying to achieve
3- Machines are for pussies. I don't want to be a pussy
4- It doesn't take that much of an effort! 3 days a week? I used to go daily to the gym, what a chore and with worse results
5- I want to get started as soon as I can afford the down payment, say Monday

So to end this, my goals are:
-Lose fat, I still have some belly
-Gain muscle

Somebody illustrated this as a pendulum kind of analogy. I am perfectly fine by being in the middle of it.

Any suggestions? Thoughts?
 

JB1981

Member
sounds like a really robust routine.

i think the deadlifts and the squats in the same day will be rough. perhaps you should work toward that as you get stronger.
 

Chichikov

Member
JB1981 said:
so i've had some lower back issues for a while now. never really had anything diagnosed but my lower back area has always been very tender and i would occasionally get shooting pains down my legs. well, i finally did it.

I almost can't even sit in this chair right now. I absolutely blew my back out doing deadlifts today. I almost feel like a cripple. It wasn't even like I pulled something duringi the workout ..... I think I have just aggravated whatever was bothering me so dramatically that .. i mean... I don't even know. I can hardly walk. I don't think I will be able to go to work tomorrow, even. I am so pissed right now. This is going to set me back big time, I'm afraid. I only deadlifted 225 today (and it was heavy for me) but shit ... this is just horrible. I am in so much pain right now. I can't even do simple things like drag my body out of bed. I am icing on and off for 20 minutes and I'm going to take some advil but this is BAD. FUCK ME
This sucks.
Do you use a belt?

hectorse said:
I read all the thread

[snip]

Any suggestions? Thought?
I would personally consider fitting cleans and weighted dips in your routine, but it generally looks solid.
Also, what do you do for cardio in your new program?

As for your diet, nothing terribly wrong with it, but if you want to lose weight you may want to cut on the sugars you get through fruits.

But those minor comments aside, all around it looks good to me, I'm sure that if you keep it up you're going to see good results.
 

JB1981

Member
Chichikov said:
This sucks.
Do you use a belt?


I would personally consider fitting cleans and weighted dips in your routine, but it generally looks solid.
Also, what do you do for cardio in your new program?

As for your diet, nothing terribly wrong with it, but if you want to lose weight you may want to cut on the sugars you get through fruits.

But those minor comments aside, all around it looks good to me, I'm sure that if you keep it up you're going to see good results.
I don't use a belt but perhaps I should consider it in the future? I thought using a belt was more of a crutch than anything else and prevented lifters from learning the proper lumbar spine form and all that ....

what do you think would be the best approach to recovery? stay off the back til I start feeling better than slowly work back into my routine with lowered weight? I'm going to lose a lot of the progress I"ve made ... damn I was on such a good run too. Oh well, if it happens to the world's best athletes it's gonna happen to an average lifter like myself I guess ..... gonna stay positive .. keep eating good and look toward recovering.
 
Chichikov said:
This sucks.
I would personally consider fitting cleans and weighted dips in your routine, but it generally looks solid.
Also, what do you do for cardio in your new program?

As for your diet, nothing terribly wrong with it, but if you want to lose weight you may want to cut on the sugars you get through fruits.

But those minor comments aside, all around it looks good to me, I'm sure that if you keep it up you're going to see good results.


For cardio I would do jogging as I've been doing, I thought the HiIT would suffice...

I have to remember you that I am WEAK, I think I can't do bodyweight dips!!! I fail so much lol

And I don't know what fitting cleans are and can't find them in the youtube'webs
 

Chichikov

Member
JB1981 said:
I don't use a belt but perhaps I should consider it in the future? I thought using a belt was more of a crutch than anything else and prevented lifters from learning the proper lumbar spine form and all that ....
Well, if you can work safely without a belt, it's better not to use one, but in my mind, when it comes to the lower back, when there is a doubt, there is no doubt -
If you have lower back issues, use a belt.

You should still probably do you warm up and burn/drop sets without one if possible.

JB1981 said:
what do you think would be the best approach to recovery? stay off the back til I start feeling better than slowly work back into my routine with lowered weight? I'm going to lose a lot of the progress I"ve made ... damn I was on such a good run too. Oh well, if it happens to the world's best athletes it's gonna happen to an average lifter like myself I guess ..... gonna stay positive .. keep eating good and look toward recovering.
Personally I found out that when I go back to training while there's still a bit of pain (as opposed to waiting for zero tenderness) I get the best results.
BUT, this is the lower back, DON'T FUCK WITH YOUR LOWER BACK.

Also, this happened today, it might not be as bad as you think it is, ice it like a mother fucker, take some ibuprofens and if you have an access to a jetted hot tub spend some quality time there.
Hope you get better soon.
 

Chichikov

Member
hectorse said:
For cardio I would do jogging as I've been doing, I thought the HiIT would suffice...
What days and distance are you doing them?

hectorse said:
I have to remember you that I am WEAK, I think I can't do bodyweight dips!!! I fail so much lol
If you can do pull-ups you probably can do dips.
For progression use the same rule you use for pull/chin ups - when you get to around 15 it's time to put on some weight (eventually you may want to consider to do that for as low as 8 reps, but that can wait).

hectorse said:
And I don't know what fitting cleans are and can't find them in the youtube'webs
I meant fitting into your routine the exercise known as 'cleans' :).
And the proper full name is Power Cleans, there are quite a few videos of that on youtube and I think we've discussed it in this thread few times already.
It's more complicated movement than the other lifts, I'll look for some good information on the web, but if you have questions, don't hesitate to ask.
 

aznpxdd

Member
hectorse said:
I read all the thread (all 105 pages of it, without the OP) and I am motivated to become a whole lot stronger and stronger

stuff

Any suggestions? Thoughts?

3x5 seems a bit too easy. I personally try to hit the magic number of ~25, be it 3x8, 4x6 or 5x5 (depending on weight).

Yeah, if you are lifting with intensity, I don't think you can do squats 3 times a week with HIIT on your off days if you're a beginner. Hell, when I first started squatting, it took ~4-5 days to recover.
 
That sucks JB, sounds similar to what I did to my lower back with martial arts back in the day. Whatever you do, DO NOT STRESS IT AT ALL. I was tender for weeks, kept training a little here and there because I felt guilty about missing sessions, and then one day I was just doing some light roundhouse kicks in my living room and suddenly collapsed to the floor like a sack of shit. Didn't move from that spot for 4 hours. Was literally walking around the house bent at a right-angle for about a week. That was the end of my exercise career for about a year, seriously. Sciatica is the opposite of fun.

It's cleared up now, but my deadlift weight is considerably lighter than my squatting weight, and I can feel it really, really working my lower back. I might actually look into a belt myself, just to be safe. What I'm lifting is still very light, but could potentially be a problem (about 165lbs).
 

Chichikov

Member
aznpxdd said:
3x5 seems a bit too easy. I personally try to hit the magic number of ~25, be it 3x8, 4x6 or 5x5 (depending on weight).
How hard it is depends on how much weight your trying to lift.
For a beginner doing the big movements, fatigue would usually mean that 5x5 will be around 20% lighter than what he can do on 3x5 (or worse, do 3 nice sets and 2 sloppy ones).
Once you improve your muscle recovery you can start getting into more reps.
I like 3x5 a lot for a beginner, especially on squats.

buckfutter said:
That sucks JB, sounds similar to what I did to my lower back with martial arts back in the day. Whatever you do, DO NOT STRESS IT AT ALL. I was tender for weeks, kept training a little here and there because I felt guilty about missing sessions, and then one day I was just doing some light roundhouse kicks in my living room and suddenly collapsed to the floor like a sack of shit. Didn't move from that spot for 4 hours. Was literally walking around the house bent at a right-angle for about a week. That was the end of my exercise career for about a year, seriously. Sciatica is the opposite of fun.

It's cleared up now, but my deadlift weight is considerably lighter than my squatting weight, and I can feel it really, really working my lower back. I might actually look into a belt myself, just to be safe. What I'm lifting is still very light, but could potentially be a problem (about 165lbs).
Get a belt.
The confidence factor alone is worth it.
Once you get back in the groove of things you can consider losing it.
 

Ace 8095

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Hectorse, I think you will be over training. Squatting three times a week is hard, adding HIIT to your off days (you have off days for a reason) will be extremely hard. I think you would be better off doing HIIT on only Saturday. Now if your really set on loosing weight you could lift twice a week and fit in more HIIT sessions. Also do power cleans!!!
 
Chichikov said:
What days and distance are you doing them?

I was thinking... maybe TUE and THU instead of HiIT, I usually run 12 laps in 25:00 or 8 laps in 16:00 or 5 in 9:00 or less. I like to spice it up so it doesn't get boring


If you can do pull-ups you probably can do dips.
For progression use the same rule you use for pull/chin ups - when you get to around 15 it's time to put on some weight (eventually you may want to consider to do that for as low as 8 reps, but that can wait).

OK! I could add them no problem I think


I meant fitting into your routine the exercise known as 'cleans' :).
And the proper full name is Power Cleans, there are quite a few videos of that on youtube and I think we've discussed it in this thread few times already.
It's more complicated movement than the other lifts, I'll look for some good information on the web, but if you have questions, don't hesitate to ask.

Oh I've heard of them, and they seem very technical,specially the "keep the bar in contact with your body at all times" part. I could do them on Friday, do them weightless just to get a hang on them

aznpxdd said:
3x5 seems a bit too easy. I personally try to hit the magic number of ~25, be it 3x8, 4x6 or 5x5 (depending on weight).

This is kind of just a warming up routine.

I think I will adjust it as I get more comfortable with the workouts, probably resetting the weights and adding another set to each workout after I feel that adding more weight is not as convenient as just doing more reps with less weight
 
Ace 8095 said:
Hectorse, I think you will be over training. Squatting three times a week is hard, adding HIIT to your off days (you have off days for a reason) will be extremely hard. I think you would be better off doing HIIT on only Saturday. Now if your really set on loosing weight you could lift twice a week and fit in more HIIT sessions. Also do power cleans!!!

I am seriously thinking about this and I have not yet found a satisfying conclusion.

I'll just wing it I think...

Also consider that I haven't done Squats or Power Cleans before so there is the whole learning the form thing... at least for the first days.

Also I don't seem to find a "press" video... is it just with dumbbells?
 

Mr.City

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Does anyone here have experience doing single leg deadlifts? I've been trying do them, but I can't just seem to balance myself. The right side of my lower back is much stronger than my left, so I'm not even touching regular deadlifts unless I balance both sides out.
 

Chichikov

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Ace 8095 said:
Hectorse, I think you will be over training. Squatting three times a week is hard, adding HIIT to your off days (you have off days for a reason) will be extremely hard. I think you would be better off doing HIIT on only Saturday. Now if your really set on loosing weight you could lift twice a week and fit in more HIIT sessions. Also do power cleans!!!
I don't know if I agree, for a beginner squatting 3 times a week is usually fine, it will probably be a while before he get into really heavy weights that require more than 2 days of recovery.
hectorse said:
Also I don't seem to find a "press" video... is it just with dumbbells?
Look for standing military press.
And generally, be careful about learning how to lift from youtube, there's a lot of people doing weird shit there.
As for learning the lifts, many people (Free Mr. Snurb!) swear by Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength, while I'm not super familiar with this book, from a what I've seen it contains very detailed explanations of the major lifts.
If you have no access to an experienced lifter I would consider purchasing it - form is very important.
 

JB1981

Member
Chichikov said:
Well, if you can work safely without a belt, it's better not to use one, but in my mind, when it comes to the lower back, when there is a doubt, there is no doubt -
If you have lower back issues, use a belt.

You should still probably do you warm up and burn/drop sets without one if possible.


Personally I found out that when I go back to training while there's still a bit of pain (as opposed to waiting for zero tenderness) I get the best results.
BUT, this is the lower back, DON'T FUCK WITH YOUR LOWER BACK.

Also, this happened today, it might not be as bad as you think it is, ice it like a mother fucker, take some ibuprofens and if you have an access to a jetted hot tub spend some quality time there.
Hope you get better soon.
thanks, dude. this shit isn't even funny ... i can't even bend down to take a piss .... i am rolling out of my bed and holding onto the stairs to walk .... fuuuuck... i just took 4 ibuprofen ...

i should have known better going heavy on deadlifts with a tender lower back ... fucking stupid ass
 

JB1981

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hectorse said:
I was thinking... maybe TUE and THU instead of HiIT, I usually run 12 laps in 25:00 or 8 laps in 16:00 or 5 in 9:00 or less. I like to spice it up so it doesn't get boring




OK! I could add them no problem I think




Oh I've heard of them, and they seem very technical,specially the "keep the bar in contact with your body at all times" part. I could do them on Friday, do them weightless just to get a hang on them



This is kind of just a warming up routine.

I think I will adjust it as I get more comfortable with the workouts, probably resetting the weights and adding another set to each workout after I feel that adding more weight is not as convenient as just doing more reps with less weight

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Video#Deadlift -- this is a great resource for all the major exercises - great press videos too
 
Chichikov said:
Look for standing military press.
And generally, be careful about learning how to lift from youtube, there's a lot of people doing weird shit there.
As for learning the lifts, many people (Free Mr. Snurb!) swear by Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength, while I'm not super familiar with this book, from a what I've seen it contains very detailed explanations of the major lifts.
If you have no access to an experienced lifter I would consider purchasing it - form is very important.

What I am looking is for the general form so I know how to describe it to the people that are going to spotting me.

Which kind of brings me to my next point... I need to find a good gym.

I've gone to two in the past and they pretty much sucked (heh back in the day I thought they were cool because they had machines and different classes, they were complete lol) and I am still searching.

If I find no place that satisfies me in terms of the people that train in it, I will choose the closer to home that is kind of complete. If I find one where people squat like it's supposed to be done I'll stay there.

I've been thinking about getting that book, seriously
 

Chichikov

Member
JB1981 said:
thanks, dude. this shit isn't even funny ... i can't even bend down to take a piss .... i am rolling out of my bed and holding onto the stairs to walk .... fuuuuck... i just took 4 ibuprofen ...

i should have known better going heavy on deadlifts with a tender lower back ... fucking stupid ass
Ice ice baby.
And yeah, back injuries suck balls.

JB1981 said:
http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Video#Deadlift -- this is a great resource for all the major exercises - great press videos too
Ok, those are some awesome videos.
Hectorse - go watch them.
 
Chichikov said:
Ice ice baby.
And yeah, back injuries suck balls.


Ok, those are some awesome videos.
Hectorse - go watch them.


Yup, that's good stuff... already read it, and it answered lots of questions I had.

Thanks for the help!
 
JB1981 said:
thanks, dude. this shit isn't even funny ... i can't even bend down to take a piss .... i am rolling out of my bed and holding onto the stairs to walk .... fuuuuck... i just took 4 ibuprofen ...

i should have known better going heavy on deadlifts with a tender lower back ... fucking stupid ass
Don't fuck around with this man. I had the same problem and waited months before seeing a doctor. A few weeks later I was in surgery for a herniated disc. Lower backs are very fragile and can easily be damaged. If you do have a herniated disc, it can slowly deteriorate and just become worse. The longer you wait, the more surgery that might be needed. I'd advise seeing how you feel after a few days and then having a MRI scheduled if the pain has not went away.

Please, don't delay treatment in your lower back. I've seen many people do this and they all regret it. I'm lucky my mother had a herniated disc as well, because I was able to identify my symptoms with hers and get myself to a doctor.
 

Ace 8095

Member
hectorse said:
I've been thinking about getting that book, seriously
Buy the book. I wish I had it when I first started lifting. All my lifts were wrong.
hectorse said:
This is kind of just a warming up routine.

I think I will adjust it as I get more comfortable with the workouts, probably resetting the weights and adding another set to each workout after I feel that adding more weight is not as convenient as just doing more reps with less weight
The man you were replying to is simply wrong. 3x5 is all you need; it's what allows your lifts to increase so quickly. Also, convenience should never be one of your priorities in lifting.
 

YYZ

Junior Member
Chichikov said:
Bumper plates are easier to work with because they're bigger than regular 45s, thus allowing you to rack on the floor.
Plus, for many people, 135lbs is too heavy to warm up on an exercises like power cleans that require a floor starting position.

Also, not breaking the floor is a good thing ;).
Yes that's the reason I got them, getting 45lb bumper plates would have been a complete waste of money since I needed them for the size only, and not the weight. I needed them for barbell rows (the bar is lifted off the ground for every rep, the proper way to do them I think?), I can't row 135lbs for now. I don't think they're bigger than my 45lb olympic metal plates, but I'll check.

The store I got them at is independent and fairly well known within the local weightlifting community I think so I don't think I got ripped off.
 
I am pumped!!!

If I didn't have enough shit going on tomorrow I would start right away!

At least I'll go jogging and put some miles on those asics
 
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