Unknown One
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Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
- Thread starter fluffydelusions
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Timed exclusive just for the pc gamers like Alan Wake. But I think the game is completely gone for the ps owners. I'm not a great fan of the last TR, but it's a pity for the others.
Has this been posted yet?
Unless they can get donations to exceed what MS paid it's not going to do anything, seems really pointless to me.
Afaik, it was Sony that dropped it. And it was a smart move. FF XV and KH3 will be selling the majority of the copies on PS4 anyways, so spending money on exclusivity would be a bit of a waste.
anonymous_abc
Member
I though what I said was a great example. Why do you think they give the exclusivity to the xbone? For the userbase?
Ok, what exactly Kagari said? I though we are talking about the reason to the exclusivity for the xbone. I'm just saying if she said it's not for the money, I think she lies.
Shockingly, consumers are still entitled to the ability of "not purchasing things".
Devilgunman
Member
Has this been posted yet?
If it's time exclusive it will eventually come out on other systems. This petition is worthless.
There's a difference between paying to get a game and paying to prevent a game to be on other platforms.
Ultimately the gaming industry is exactly that, an industry, so we are going to have to suck this up. The thing that annoys me is when you get the developers going "oh, doing this is the best way of producing the best game". What rot, it's cool to admit it was done for financial reasons, trying to treat the gaming community as idiots who will believe that line does them no favours.
Has this been posted yet?
Thanks. Just signed it.
Chobel
Member
She only said SE didn't need MS money/help --> it was moneyhat
Chiggs
Member
Has this been posted yet?
Why bother?
cheezcake
Member
To improve goodwill with core gamers like GAFfers, sure. But the majority of gamers will be way more interested in what they know is already an established, successful franchise. It's a safe bet. And probably a lot cheaper than developing a new IP.
massivekettle
Member
Saying things like "biggest fanbase/sells best on PS, PC", therefore "it should release on my platform" reeks of entitlement.
I can't believe how salty people are. Worse thing is, people saying that they are not buying Xbox One to play the game were never going to buy one in the first place. Talk about faux-outrage.
You're missing the point.
Nintendo - people want to see them get the same third party games the other platforms get, not instead of the other platforms. This is to bolster their strong first party lineup.
What people want Microsoft to do is: a) make their own games, b) fund and work in partnership with other parties to make their own games. The third option, which people didn't want, was to have a stab at derailing an established series that may/may not be an exclusive. This is not how to make your platform succeed, it just waves a flag around saying "we don't want to make games".
I agree. They're giving their customers games which they never asked for. And the games their customers ask for, they couldn't give a shit. They're clueless.
She said SE didnt need the money to make a new TR and that its a pure moneyhat.
Like DR 3?
Oh well, with all the respect, it's not that different. TR has bombed at launch, they obtained a guarantee to not lose a single money this time. It's what I mean, it's that different?
PrintedCrayon
Banned
I don't think Square could be that stupid to make this an Xbox One exclusive. The install base of the PS4 alone is reason to have a multiplat release.
I'm certain we'll see RotTR on PS4/PC come 2016 (not that I am a betting man!)
It's certainly brave of them to go forward with a decision like this, but is Tomb Raider really something that shifts consoles? Has it done that since the PS1/PS2 days?
I'm certain we'll see RotTR on PS4/PC come 2016 (not that I am a betting man!)
It's certainly brave of them to go forward with a decision like this, but is Tomb Raider really something that shifts consoles? Has it done that since the PS1/PS2 days?
R_thanatos
Member
Has this been posted yet?
Can't wait for 2016 when they'll come out and say : " We heard you loud and clear ! and decided to release the game on PC , PS4 . We made this decision because we care about our community !"
It's going to happen..
Has this been posted yet?
Won't change anything because they already signed the contract.
I don't think MS did anything wrong per se. They did the best for them and if they have the money to do it more power to them.
I don't like the way they do things and it's one of the reasons I don't have any interest on MS or their consoles.
But, Square Enix on the other hand, they really fucked more than half of their consumer base and that's just wrong.
Tomb Raider sells more on PS and they just said "fuck them" and that's not a good approach to business.
I really hope the game undersells, not because of MS but because Square Enix deserves for not doing what's best for their fanbase.
I don't like the way they do things and it's one of the reasons I don't have any interest on MS or their consoles.
But, Square Enix on the other hand, they really fucked more than half of their consumer base and that's just wrong.
Tomb Raider sells more on PS and they just said "fuck them" and that's not a good approach to business.
I really hope the game undersells, not because of MS but because Square Enix deserves for not doing what's best for their fanbase.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
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Unrelated Tomb Raider stuff is getting hammered by angry fans, wow
It's essentially still the same thing.
they'e spending money to make their own platform more attractive to potential buyers.
Only ons upset here, are the peopel owning other systems, which isn't really of their concern.
They are trying to attract new customers who don't own the other systems yet with this.
And Sony did this too, only with some indies: See Rime, or just recently Dreamfall Chapters,
a game that only recently in june got footage of a Wiiu version, that isn't coming anymore
useyourfist
Member
Missed the point, see bayonetta 2 reaction to realise that it's not just because it's Microsoft.
massivekettle
Member
I am sure that there are very expensive break out clauses baked into the agreement. One way to keep both parties honest.
OverlordSteph
Banned
It's nothing like owning multi-touch as one game only plays a small part for the PlayStation, it's the equivalent of Samsung owning amoled tech.. you need to stop thinking like a annoyed gamer and understand that it was purely a business decision, so start thinking like a business man. Yeah the fanbase is getting screwed over big time.. but it's up to Sony to soften the blow.
shacklesmcgee
Member
Guys, if the Tomb Raider petition gets to a 100,000 signatures, the White House will port the game to the WonderSwan Colour! Or something, maybe not the color...
Sure you don't build a first party stable overnight, but in MS' case when they hell are they going to start?
Lets recap:
Started Turn 10, who went on to make Forza, the one truly original IP from Microsoft to ever succeed.
Bought Bungie when Halo was months from release, had them port it to Xbox, cancelling a much hyped PC version which did later arrive, not to mention the Mac version Bungie had been promising.
Purchased FASA as part of another acquisition in 1999. After doing very little with the Shadowrun and MechWarrior IPs on the Xbox family of consoles closes FASA in 2007, licences out all their worthwhile IPs to small studios.
Bought Rare in 2002, since they have mined the Perfect Dark, Banjo, and Conker IPs with zero success, made one new mascot IP for Xbox 360's launch that never got a follow up despite being a pretty solid (kid friendly) game (Kameo, FYI). Have since been largely relegated to Kinect titles, weren't even the ones who made the Killer Instinct reboot.
Purchased Lionhead in 2006. Proceeded to have them make nothing but Fable games, including a crappy Kinect Fable game. Stopped making PC versions entirely, games progressively got further and further away from the original concept for Fable. A large number of staff has been laid off over the past two years, another large group up and left with Molyneaux, which if it was anything like his departure from Bullfrog to found Lionhead constituted his core staff he's had everywhere (i.e. the real talent in the studio). Making yet another Fable game that is even further removed from the original premise.
Started up 343 studios as a replacement for Bungie when Bungie wanted out as opposed to eternally making nothing but Halo. Now 343 makes nothing but Halo, only not as well as Bungie. The game they wouldn't let Bungie make, Destiny, is now the most pre-ordered game yet. Winning?
Disbanded Ensemble Studios, Aces Studio, MS Flight Team, MS Victoria Studio (never released anything) and Carbonated Games. Have in the last several years purchased BigPark (absorbed into MS Game Studios), Twisted Pixel (who's next game was a full blown stinker), Press Play (nothing of note, so basically shuffling deck chairs with this and closing Carbonated).
Also, Black Tusk isn't new. It's Microsoft Vancouver. They just cleaned house and renamed it after Vancouver went years without finishing anything. Black Tusk is doing an admirable job keeping that history alive.
This is just a quick sample of how MS has handled their first parties. Forza is the only new IP they've generated and maintained worth a shit in their entire time as a console first party. Everything else was bought, mismanaged, and typically shuttered.
Buying their way into the industry with the Xbox with Bungie, Lionhead, etc. is one thing. Sure, you need meaningful exclusives and that was the fastest way to get them. They've been in the console business for nearly 13 years now though. The proof is in the pudding. Microsoft has never shown a commitment to developing their own legitimate first party stable. They closed much of what they did start with the Xbox during the X360 generation because Sony's failure to deliver with PS3 allowed them to pick off former exclusives and have a comparable 3rd party library at a lower price, so they weren't needed. The only significant reinvestment they've ever shown in software development was for Kinect, which they've now pulled back on nearly completely as well.
Microsoft brings nothing to this industry other than dump trucks of money. They're in the video game industry for all the wrong reasons. Making and selling video games is a secondary part of the business model and that has been the case from day one. Originally it was a Sony denial tactic. As Sony fell on hard times and the X360 emerged as a successful product they used XBL to turn it into a marketing push where their real customers were advertisers and games were just the gateway to get people in the door looking at all the ads. The XB1's original concept took this to the next level planning to have Kinect effectively mining data from within our homes while we lived around the system. Obviously the blow back was too great to continue that little project, but that was the original intent and Microsoft stated as much during a conference for their advertising partners.
Instead of this (which probably cost them $50M or better), Titanfall (which also likely cost them $50M or better) the stated NFL deal at $400M, and buying the Gears IP from Epic (likely a solid $50-$100M price tag) Microsoft could have funded over a half dozen of the biggest, most expensive AAA exclusives EVER. They gave the NFL more money for a fantasy football app than Take 2/Rockstar spent on Grand Theft Auto 5. Let that sink into your head when you excuse their lack of first party studios as "taking time".
Ryoohki360
Neo Member
I choose not to give a s$#@,because i dont, not on pc, does not exist plain and simple for me. The only game a ever wanted to play in the last 15 years on a console is The Last of Us, but i choose to watch it on YouTube.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
CD hasn't worked on a playstation platform since the PS2, Nexxi does the PC and playstation ports.
Yup. Like clockwork.
BlazingDarkness
Member
More games will improve sales. MS have a pretty solid next few months lined up.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
In my home town of Derby (UK), there is a street called Lara Croft Way, named as such because the original game was built by Core Design in this great city. The people of the city named it in a public vote, such was the pride and love for the franchise.
Apparently Square Enix has sold the access rights to Chevrolet and now only people with ugly, big American manufactured cars can pass through.
...sad times
(only half of this post is bollocks)
Apparently Square Enix has sold the access rights to Chevrolet and now only people with ugly, big American manufactured cars can pass through.
...sad times
(only half of this post is bollocks)
In Service
Member
This.
Even if everyone signing the petition donated $5 that aint going to pay for the damages for breach of whatever contract they have signed.
Sony distinctly says "console debut" or "first on PlayStation" none of this exclusive to Xbox holiday 2015 crap.
Hell watch the Gamescom conference they even double clarify after a trailer what is full, timed or are PS4/PC launches, so there is no confusion or interpreting double speak later.
Unknown One
Member
Maybe MS will buy up FF 15 for the ultimate blow.
massivekettle
Member
Sad that you spent so much time and effort on an extremely one-sided post.
MS bring nothing other than money? Get the fuck out of here. Microsoft brought competition that this industry sorely needed because Nintendo dropped the ball with both the GCN and Wii.
Ovek
7Member7
Yes but the Tomb Raider game will not shift boxes on its own, it was never a big seller in the first place.