Ol No Bones
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They do. I like the fact that a game would be under scrutiny for a lack of interactivity and poor pacing as fun and interactivity are foundational in games. I'm glad those are factors.
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The Order getting terrible reviews is a good thing for gaming.
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That won't happen until postmortem though. If The Order performs somewhat decently, the message Sony gets is that there's an audience that enjoys it.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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It has everything to do with OP. Because it's a selfish line of thinking. One game does not equate setting an example to all games. If that's the case then Every single game would be like Pong, or Mario or whatever but they aren't.
They all coexist in their own bubbles. That's why they are called GENRES. Because they are different in different ways.
If OP doesn't like the game. Fine. But to sit here and say, "Well I'm glad because other devs better watch carefully and screw over the ones who do like that genre because I don't like it and neither does the gaming press." Is ugly.
It's basically trying to force out the voices who like these experiences and want them for what it is.
I have to agree to some extent, though I can't comment on the Order itself yet, reviewers being harsher can be a positive. A lot of the time it seems reviewers think that if a game isn't fundamentally broken and somewhat well polished it "deserves" at least a 7. But we really should expect more from games by now. It's ok to say that a game isn't very good even if it's well put together and pretty and has all the expected features. If you're not enjoying it and it's not offering anything special the massive production values don't mean much.
It actually has a lot to do with it. The OP just want these type of games to cease to exist.
entremet
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People really have some vendetta with this game. It was poorly received by critics so far, but why do people jump for joy when fellow purveyors of the hobby do poorly?
I want all these companies to succeed and find an audience. No one sets to release a mediocre title and game development seems very very hard.
The Valves, Nintendos, NDs, sure make it look easy, but this stuff seems difficult.
I want all these companies to succeed and find an audience. No one sets to release a mediocre title and game development seems very very hard.
The Valves, Nintendos, NDs, sure make it look easy, but this stuff seems difficult.
At $60, that is not a good value.
I see what you are saying, but the way I see it is that I don't necessarily dislike " cinematic" games. Uncharted is one of my favorite franchises, and that can be considered cinematic too. Yet the difference with that game and a product like the order, is that uncharted does have a lot of gaming in it, and is fun, with solid replay value, and even multiplayer features. That's one way to make a good cinematic game, which wants to tell a story, but doesn't let that be its only focus. And I can't wait for Uncharted 4.
Bluekaveli
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I don't see why it's a controversial stance. Resources are finite after all and a success in the opposite direction of someones taste might mean that the whole genre is homogenized due to a single game. (Like Call of Duty) Yes, it's selfish, but given the current state of the market it's also understandable.
then what is?
He did criticize it :
"if your game is embarrassingly short, has average gameplay mechanics, etc."
I agree with OP. Shallowness shouldn't be encouraged. I struggle to find a non-technical quality in The Order.
ryanthelion123
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I think its a good thing as well. The game has problems and I am glad the reviews didn't get swept up by the hype. I know I will get flak for this but so many users here were buying into the hype and defending the developers mainly because it was a PS4 exclusive or had pretty graphics. If anyone looked at this game objectively and past the graphics it was quite clear, it was going to fail. (Yes, 6/10 in the gaming community is considered like a D grade) I got laughed at in the impressions thread for suggesting that this game would flop for the very same reasons most of the reviewers say.
In the long run, The Order game sales will definitely be hurt by these reviews and Sony will have to learn from this and invest their money more carefully in better exclusives. Live and learn.
Trust me I am too waiting for a PS exclusive worth buying.
In the long run, The Order game sales will definitely be hurt by these reviews and Sony will have to learn from this and invest their money more carefully in better exclusives. Live and learn.
Trust me I am too waiting for a PS exclusive worth buying.
AlteredForms
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When all else fails. Resort to this.
But I like cinematic single player experiences with good atmosphere and graphics.
I rarely play online so co-op/multiplayer is useless to me. I'm only in it for the single player experience... and unless this game has god-awful gameplay.. it still has my interest despite the reviews. So I disagree with you OP
This game was ambitious in terms of detail, atmosphere and graphics..... you are probably the same type of gamer who hates GTA5 and then complains that other games aren't "ambitious"
I rarely play online so co-op/multiplayer is useless to me. I'm only in it for the single player experience... and unless this game has god-awful gameplay.. it still has my interest despite the reviews. So I disagree with you OP
This game was ambitious in terms of detail, atmosphere and graphics..... you are probably the same type of gamer who hates GTA5 and then complains that other games aren't "ambitious"
How are average reviews now becoming terrible in the eyes of people. In a few years time any games with any kind of hype behind them not getting perfect scores will be worst game of the year material.
I was recently on a website where they gave a game 6.5/10 and called it mediocre. Are you shitting me? 6.5/10 is a pretty good score, not a game to sing the praises of, but a solid and fun game imo. Calling it mediocre is stupidly harsh.
I understand that The Order is one of the most anticipated ps4 titles of the year overall, but it getting above average, but not great reviews, and acting like it's going to be a WGOTY contender is really snobby.
Sorry, just needed to get that off of my chest. -_-
I was recently on a website where they gave a game 6.5/10 and called it mediocre. Are you shitting me? 6.5/10 is a pretty good score, not a game to sing the praises of, but a solid and fun game imo. Calling it mediocre is stupidly harsh.
I understand that The Order is one of the most anticipated ps4 titles of the year overall, but it getting above average, but not great reviews, and acting like it's going to be a WGOTY contender is really snobby.
Sorry, just needed to get that off of my chest. -_-
While I don't agree necessarily with the claim in the OP, the general trend of reviewers this gen of being harsher on game's that deserve it is certainly refreshing. Maybe it's a face perception and there have just been worse games across the board, but it seems that they are willing to hand out lower scores more now than they were in the past.
Probably off the mark, just something I've picked up on.
Probably off the mark, just something I've picked up on.
Salty Hippo
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Yeah, because there only exists games like The Order and the one you just described...
lol, I love QTEs, tbh. not all the time, but I don't hate them all like the internet seemingly does.
I disagree. There's room for every kind of game, you're not going to get another game like The Order anytime soon as well as we're not getting Cage's game every year. However, these reviews read a lot like "nope, there's no room for this shit.. and it doesn't even have multyplayer so it's even worse". And so a TPS must be the same TPS as always, cinematic stuff is a taboo etc.
I always state my interest to see what kind of forms a game can assume, therefore I support every kind of idea from the gameplay centric games like our loved Bayonetta to the visual novel. It doesn't mean to praise them, but at least not to bash them for their own nature. I'd like to see more openess from reviewers but it's not happening for most.
If anything, I hope the bad scores will not influence the fate of this IP.
Ol No Bones
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I could see that argument and I respect your opinion. 6 bucks an hour isnt really too high for entertainment that I enjoy. 10 hours isnt bad if it has replay value IMO.
Reviews should do one thing for game developers, make them realize where they could be better at and what they did good. Those two things are thing where the developer can learn to make something that may be more appealing in areas where they fall, and enhance what they do great at.
In the eyes of a developer, that's where I would look. Now also, you, as a developer have to also look at the stance of, what type of game am I making? Stay true to your belief but also be conscious of what people who may play the game, may want.
In the eyes of a developer, that's where I would look. Now also, you, as a developer have to also look at the stance of, what type of game am I making? Stay true to your belief but also be conscious of what people who may play the game, may want.
It's funny how now it looks that emphasizing the story over gameplay actually compromised the gameplay, which is what most reviews are stating. Which, surprise surprise, has been what has lead to overly cinematic games being criticized. Max Payne 3 and Metroid: Other M are perfect examples of this compromise hindering the full playing experience.
Live Free or Die
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I disagree. Getting rid of game reviews would be good for gaming.
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