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Splatoon | Spoiler Thread
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How long did it take you? If you can say.
Glad you enjoyed it
Splat Zones:
Urchin Underpass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDkvg7Z7z9Y
Blackbelly Skatepark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bONpfsKpVGs
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Did some simple math from all of the range test videos available, it seems this is how Defense Up stacks.
+1 means you take around 5.1% less damage
+2 means you take around 9.3% less damage
+3 means you take around 12.5% less damage
Urchin Underpass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDkvg7Z7z9Y
Blackbelly Skatepark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bONpfsKpVGs
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Did some simple math from all of the range test videos available, it seems this is how Defense Up stacks.
+1 means you take around 5.1% less damage
+2 means you take around 9.3% less damage
+3 means you take around 12.5% less damage
doesn't seem to be worth it, then. Maybe just get enough defense to prevent getting one-shoted by chargers without damage up but otherwise 10% damage resistance is barely noticeable. The utility abilities might be more worthwhile
Where the hell are you buying your games at?
Not sure if this is the best Splatoon thread to post the following as I don't want to derail things, but I'll give it a shot here (and in the dev update thread):
For those, like, me, who fear about this game's long term playability when - at some point - Nintendo shuts down the servers and as such makes the online modes / maps unplayable, apparently there is a petition going for adding offline Turf War against bots that could use your support.
I'm not sure how succesful such things can be, if at all, but signing it couldn't hurt I'd say. I'd hate it if this game would lose a large part of its functionality down the line, especially because I feel it might become one of those evergreen titles for me (and many others I hope) that you'll want to keep your Wii U around for so that you can fire it up when around summer time etc (like Outrun 2 and Street Fighter 2/3 for me personally).
Ok, with that aside, splat on...which in this case means waiting till the 24th or 29th I suppose...sigh...
For those, like, me, who fear about this game's long term playability when - at some point - Nintendo shuts down the servers and as such makes the online modes / maps unplayable, apparently there is a petition going for adding offline Turf War against bots that could use your support.
I'm not sure how succesful such things can be, if at all, but signing it couldn't hurt I'd say. I'd hate it if this game would lose a large part of its functionality down the line, especially because I feel it might become one of those evergreen titles for me (and many others I hope) that you'll want to keep your Wii U around for so that you can fire it up when around summer time etc (like Outrun 2 and Street Fighter 2/3 for me personally).
Ok, with that aside, splat on...which in this case means waiting till the 24th or 29th I suppose...sigh...
Wondering the same thing too, even with GCU, it isn't that cheap.
Why would you want to play offline against bots if you can't play against other people?
f@luS
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Amazon. French. Still Xbox or ps4 games are 60/70e. And yet all Nintendo game have been less than 40.
UncleSporky
Member
Probably just the idea that over half of the game's content becomes unplayable when the servers shut down eventually. They want that content playable, even if the playability of it sucks.
This kind of seems like a ridiculously complex game for bots to play, I don't know how you'd begin coding it. Do you make them a bit psychic, with innate knowledge of the whole map so they know where they should go to do some inking? After all, players have access to this knowledge too, on the pad... Do you make some of them camp and fight other players only? How would a bot know when to submerge to hide from players, or when it would be most efficient to submerge and swim along the ground for a long time, or up a wall? The logistics are pretty nuts.
Also by the time Nintendo shuts the servers down, Splatoon 2 will be out on the device's successor.
So good...
One thing that annoys me about Splat Zones... They expect most games to go to time. If they do, both teams get currency after the match. However, if it's a knockout, one team gets nothing. As it currently is, unless most games go to time the mode will likely have your ranking be more of a reward than the points earned.
I don't think any of these were posted. They are all Turf War matches.
Nintendolife (uses the Aerospray MG): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLMJ4eQ00tU
SmashCentral (uses the Tentatek Splattershot in all of them):
Arowana Mall #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grODHsSl6GY
Arowana Mall #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vpJsufYxfI
Blackbelly Skatepark #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeMJDxqwDQA
Blackbelly Skatepark #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TGzsOLdKQw
Utility abilities:
Ninja Squid
Stealth Jump
Ink Resistance Up
Tenacity
Opening Gambit
Last-Ditch Effort
Recon
Cold-Blooded
Haunt
Bomb Sniffer
Comeback
So having just a bit will help. You have to remember that you are going to be constantly moving, so they won't get direct hits on you 100% of the time like in range testing.
Nintendolife (uses the Aerospray MG): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLMJ4eQ00tU
SmashCentral (uses the Tentatek Splattershot in all of them):
Arowana Mall #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grODHsSl6GY
Arowana Mall #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vpJsufYxfI
Blackbelly Skatepark #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeMJDxqwDQA
Blackbelly Skatepark #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TGzsOLdKQw
But the utility abilities can't be used as sub-abilities, they have to be main abilities.
Utility abilities:
Ninja Squid
Stealth Jump
Ink Resistance Up
Tenacity
Opening Gambit
Last-Ditch Effort
Recon
Cold-Blooded
Haunt
Bomb Sniffer
Comeback
So having just a bit will help. You have to remember that you are going to be constantly moving, so they won't get direct hits on you 100% of the time like in range testing.
BlueSilver
Member
I would petition more for a LAN mode. Sure, 8 consoles are expensive and the Wii U isn't the most popular item on the market, but still. They can even make LAN mode have custom team numbers or a 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, etc. Eh.
I would have the reviewers mention these concerns on Miiverse. I still think if enough of them mentioned these things at this stage, Nintendo may give it some thought. Heck, they might actually add option to adjust the sound effects and music levels if enough of them ask.
Honestly, once Splatoon hits the shops, it'll be too hard for Nintendo to see these suggestions. Of course, since the game has already gone gold, it probably means the requests will fall on deaf ears, but it's still worth a try.
Chezzymann
Member
Can you play split screen with another person online?
BlueSilver
Member
Nope. You can play a 1v1 balloon pop mode offline, so there's that.
Chezzymann
Member
Man, this game is so gimped. That's another basic feature gone from the game. I used to play Halo 3 with my brother online all the time and was looking forward to doing it with him with splatoon.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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There's always a chance they'll add features/modes since they will be greatly supporting the game post-launch but I agree, they are lucky the core game seems so ace because there are a lot of features the game is missing that you would expect would be there.
They won't. This isn't gimping, this is a design choice due to the inclusion of the gamepad and the designs around it. (Also the performance hit is too severe.)
BlueSilver
Member
If only Nintendo allowed 2 Gamepads to sync to 1 Wii U. Turn down some graphical effects for a consistent 30 or 60 fps in split screen online. Maybe that could be another suggestion that could be made to Nintendo.
GameExplain on a different Splatzones match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnZyBuiDX4g
That's a rather expensive and highly limited inclusion. They can do it, but the vast majority of people will never use it because the GamePad costs >100$, so such a thing would be a waste of development resources on a good day.
Any game looks gimped compared to Halo 3. I don't feel like 2P split-screen online is a basic (standard) mode in shooters at all, though I wish it was.
Out_Of_Ammo
Member
Is it even possible to buy a replacement Wii U gamepad? It would suck if you have to send it in for repair if that thing broke.
Overtime huh. Wonder how that triggers. Also anyone figured out how do the penalty timers on Splat Zones work?
TheMoon
Member
Only if you send yours into Nintendo and buy it straight from their repair center.
PadWarrior
Member
I thought someone on gaf said you could buy one on eBay and then sync it to your wii u?
astrogamer
Member
If the losing side has control over the Splat Zones and the timer ends, Overtime triggers until the other side gains control (or they pass the other team, presumably)
Penalty timers are a little trickier as it seems to be following some formula for difference in scores, but seem to activate when the other side takes control. If the other side is winning when they take it from you, it seems to give the losing side the minimum penalty of 1
TheMoon
Member
Sure, you can buy a used one if you find one on ebay.
had a feeling haha
You make some good points, particularly about the AI complexity required. I can only hope Splatoon 2 will be a certainty at some point, though preservation of this first game would be something I'd support regardless (even if many others are not with me on that, including publishers).
For this game, maybe a better remedy (against loss of functionality) would be for Nintendo to add one or two additional, Turf War-ish local multiplayer modes using the online maps, weapons and gear (and even a version of the Splat Fests ideally) so that those can be played even when the servers go down. To me, this game screams 4 player split-screen multiplayer mayhem or some kind of LAN-fuctionality for larger scale battles.
And yes, I do realize the Battle Dojo mode does allow people to play offline on the multiplayer maps, but that's only for two players and without any of the Turf War dynamics or full Gamepad controls I believe (and even there it remains to be seen if Nintendo will allow us to play that mode on any of the upcoming DLC maps - remember, none of MK8's DLC tracks are supported in Battle Mode, not even an ideal candidate like Baby Park).
Heck, now that I think about it: why didn't Nintendo allow us to use two Gamepads for the Battle Dojo, i.e. the feature they promised under pressure at some point but never delivered on and never being asked about since? That would have allowed two players to play online multiplayer in co-op fully functionally as well, just like in Mario Kart 8...
TheMoon
Member
Remember the inherent limitation they mentioned during that "promise?" Two GamePads = automatically limited to 30fps. The poopy sales performance of the platform doomed this feature. It would be an insanely stupid decision to start selling two gamepads now and making games that support them. Maybe 10 people would buy an additional one. Then you'd get more "I bought this for my Wii and it doesn't work" scenarios that are actual real unlike those fabricated "it's an add-on!" stories from the launch days. Going by the impressions here, the game already doesn't run as well (if I understood it right?) in Battle Dojo as it does in solo-play. Having two people in splitscreen on the TV with 6 other humans would surely weigh things down further. I'm clearly no expert but I have a feeling this has to do with the ink being splattered around everywhere having to be calculated for all players and that might be more intense than bullets flying around (just a guess).
Of course it would be great of all these things were in there (local 4 player splitscreen, bots, 2 player together for online) but I can totally see why they aren't. However, I think bots could still be happening considering there is an equivalent (sort of) in some singleplayer levels.
As long as this game doesn't astronomically bomb, like under 400k ww a sequel is guaranteed in my book. They'll want to continue to expand the mechanics and keep a series as fresh in their belt in the most popular genre around. Getting a new shooter like this on their next box will be great for them (and for us)
Interesting.
TheMoon
Member
Feel free to link it
Still waiting on most to post them up. The videos on the previous page of Splat Zones was taken last night, but sites like The Bit Block captured a bunch & haven't uploaded any yet.
By that comment I mean the main point is to control the territory and the best way to do so it to kill your enemies. That is how I approached the game, for the most part. Gain control, kill, and keep control. Most players become so focused on inking an area that they lost awareness of their surroundings, so flanking was possible. Your team will need folks focused on inking the Zone but you need to play defense as well. Rollers are not well suited for this game mode, in my opinion.
PadWarrior
Member
Oh shoot were you able to record the jet squelcher?
Still too low of a level to get the better version of it.
PadWarrior
Member
K. What's the better one equipped with?
Not sure. You can only see the silhouette of locked weapons.
PadWarrior
Member
I am guessing the charge splatter will come in handy here.
Have you gotten bored yet or see boredom in the near future?
I see people posting that it looks like it get old quick for them.
That was really hard to listen to. I wish they'd learn something about the game before talking about it.
Nah, can't say I have been bored or feel boredom will set in anytime soon. I'm around 25hrs of multiplayer so far, and the hrs fly by. Buying new equipment with perks to unlock, leveling up, etc.. give good reason to keep playing so you can fine-tune your character and style of play.
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