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Stinkles · Sep 23, 2009

Diablohead said:
The TopGear website folks were able to play the game and give some feedback on their website, they said the cars sometimes feel like magic carpets because there was no feedback from the road and the motion was too smooth, or something like that.

Actually not exactly. Top Gear hired a non staff freelancer with no stated gaming or car experience to go cover the event. This guy, in fact:

http://www.jamesshovlin.com/

He may or may not be a car driving game expert, it ain't rocket science, but he doesn't say anything of the kind in his resume - and in fact the only related item he's ever written is the one being gif-ed. Although he did write the script for "KerWhizz. a futuristic quiz / racing show, for the children."

This makes the gif a lot less amusing than if the Stig had written it.

Gaz Pwnage · Sep 23, 2009

dreamer3kx said:
LETS DO THIS!! :lol

whats he saying? "... for life"?

Deleted member 22576 · Sep 23, 2009

Do both of these games feature Laguna Seca?

vermadas · Sep 23, 2009

painey said:
Just according to keikoku

(translators note; keikoku means banned)

:lol

Seriously, you have to try really hard to get banned in a thread that is very nearly a safe haven for trolls and platform evangelists. :lol

As someone who doesn't give a shit about driving sims, I'm finding this thread highly entertaining.

imtehman · Sep 23, 2009

skybaby said:

skyfinch said:
Too late.

i haven't played GT5P because well, i don't want to pay for a glorified demo, but is the physics really like that?

I was leaning toward GT5 because 1000 cars and 16 cars on the track is much more appealing, but with that kind of physics it totally takes away from the "real driving simulator" experience

Arnie · Sep 23, 2009

As a fan of both franchises, going off Prologue and Forza 2 as a base, Forza will have a better handling and physics model whilst Gran Turismo 5 will have vastly better graphics. I'm am not going to compare the online modes as the combination of what we have already seen from Forza and what we know about japanese companies acceptance of online integration in general and Lives strength over PSN also means it is a pretty unnecesary discussion.

Actually the fact that this thread pulls two completely loyal fanbase's into one tight arena means there will not really be any proper discussion anyway.

EDIT: If someone were to ask me why I credit Forzas collision and physics model to be a generation ahead of GTs, don't bother. Those Gifs above do my reply much more justice than any words. It just bothers me that my favourite racer of last gen can advance so little in its actual gameplay and so much in its visuals(and audio). Sigh.

kassatsu · Sep 23, 2009

Gaz Pwnage said:
whats he saying? "... for life"?

Trey 4 Life.

xDEILGYREx · Sep 23, 2009

Diablohead said:
The TopGear website folks were able to play the game and give some feedback on their website, they said the cars sometimes feel like magic carpets because there was no feedback from the road and the motion was too smooth, or something like that.

INSIDE SIM RACING was most impressed with the Forza3 demo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVzhkASVCQ0
Their impressions start at 9:00 and 11:00

---------------------------------------------------------------------

"So how was that Gran Turismo (PSP), Sean?"
..."Dude that was stupid. That was a waste of time."
:lol

cyberheater · Sep 23, 2009

Slayer-33 said:
http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_forza_motorsport_3_press_conference_video_2-12908_en.html

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_forza_motorsport_3_press_conference_video_2b-12913_en.html

and

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_forza_motorsport_3_press_event_1-12904_en.html

lovely aren't they?

Can't wait to compare actual GT 5 gameplay to these.

They look amazing. Just wow. The lighting is much improved and the trees look great.

Deleted member 22576 · Sep 23, 2009

imtehman said:
i haven't played GT5P because well, i don't want to pay for a glorified demo, but is the physics really like that?

I haven't played GT5P either, but pretty much all the GT games like that.
Whether it matters or not is a different story.

Cheech · Sep 23, 2009

Paying $40 for GT5

was one of the poorest gaming purchase decisions I've made in a long time. As somebody who spent DAYS' worth of time on GT3, it was pretty damned disappointing.

Playing Forza 2 when it first came out was a revelation. The cars "felt" more like real cars than any GT I'd played, and even today still delivers the feeling of driving an actual car more than any other console racer.

So, looking forward to Forza 3. A LOT. GT5, well, until I can get it for $20 I'll pass. I already gave Sony $40 for the demo.

StriKeVillain · Sep 23, 2009

Oh boy, can't wait for both games. Getting a PS3 slim for Xmas in preparation. I need to reserve FM3 but I still don't know if I want the CE. I think I'll just save the $20 for MW2.

Wax Free Vanilla · Sep 23, 2009

Iknos · Sep 23, 2009

FYI "Top Gear" also called the graphics "quite photo-realistically breathtaking". I put Top Gear in quotes because the writer of that article is James Shovlin a freelance writer who isn't associated with Top Gear the television show.

In fact his only relation to racing is that he is a freelance script writer for the BBC TV show KerWhizz. A "futuristic quiz / racing show, for the children".

I understand that this thread is for the super-retard trolls but hopefully there is some intelligent discussion in here.

Some people see both games being equal, some preferring one over another, and some are just batshit insane.

belvedere · Sep 23, 2009

Wax Free Vanilla said:
http://i33.tinypic.com/2qlzpjo.jpg

Seriously, that top pic makes you question reality for a second.

Apex · Sep 23, 2009

cyberheater said:
Enjoy the GT shots shown so far by all means. Just don't expect the in game graphics to look like that.

In-game details:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O-CCQzRc1g

T10 said:
All 400-plus cars in the game have been built with more than 10 times the amount of polygons as "Forza Motorsport 2." This includes painstakingly researched cockpits and interiors for every vehicle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGoMHSLrdS0&feature=player_embedded

D'ultimate · Sep 23, 2009

I realize that it is a work in progress, although one could argue about 9+ yrs of work, but where are the thread marks? So much graphical detail and missing something so integral to racing.

jett · Sep 23, 2009

Slayer-33 said:
http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_forza_motorsport_3_press_conference_video_2-12908_en.html

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_forza_motorsport_3_press_conference_video_2b-12913_en.html

and

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_forza_motorsport_3_press_event_1-12904_en.html

lovely aren't they?

Can't wait to compare actual GT 5 gameplay to these.

That does look really nice, can always trust Gamersyde for 60fps videos. If you only have a 360, you can't go wrong with Forza 3. The graphical jump between F3 and F2 is really massive, you can easily because I don't think anybody bothered defending F2's graphics back when it came out.

Here's an "actual GT5 gameplay" video for you:

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_gran_turismo_5_gamescom_cockpit_view_gameplay_60_fps-12539_en.html

Stinkles · Sep 23, 2009

Apex said:
STACK OF CRAP

that was annoying and I can't even tell what the point was, or what your allegiance is.

imtehman · Sep 23, 2009

If i wanted to rice out my car with body kits and stuff and engine swap and changing mufflers etc, which is the game that would allow me to do that?

RavenFox · Sep 23, 2009

painey said:
Just according to keikoku

(translators note; keikoku means banned)

:lol never gets old

mrklaw · Sep 23, 2009

cyberheater said:
Thanks for the heads up. I think at a push I can live without 360 support providing I use it on PS3/PC.

if a clutch pedal isn't critical to you, consider the driving force GT

pswii60 · Sep 23, 2009

Oh man I love the animated OP! Didn't see good old Sammy J at first! So funny :lol

BravoSuperStar · Sep 23, 2009

Apex said:

The F40 is as stunning today as it was when it was first made. One of, if not the best looking "supercar" ever, IMO.

Arnie · Sep 23, 2009

Wow at the Prologue shots above. Polyphonys lighting engine is unmatched. The reflections are what sell it for me.

Label · Sep 23, 2009

edit: It's not even worth it.. :lol

Blame! · Sep 23, 2009

xDEILGYREx said:
GT5 will have prettier replays, and cool jazz menu music but
after playing both Forza2 and GT5P, I think Forza gameplay > GT gameplay.
Plus, XBL is a superior online platform which I gladly pay $3 a month for.

this pretty much. i havent enjoyed a GT game since GT3 and that was how long ago now....they really need to step up their design to match graphics.

Wax Free Vanilla · Sep 23, 2009

What's going on here? Forza 2/Forza 3?

RSTEIN · Sep 23, 2009

Arnie said:
As a fan of both franchises, going off Prologue and Forza 2 as a base, Forza will have a better handling and physics model whilst Gran Turismo 5 will have vastly better graphics.

this. At this point graphics contests bore me. I don't care who has better headlights. I want physics, AI, online integration, and, well, fun. Obviously GT got me started with console sims and it will always be the king. I love GT. But Forza has really made huge leaps in the areas that I personally care more about. We can't judge GT yet because it ain't out. But if it's better, well then I'll buy that. It's not about being fanatical to a system or a series. At this point I see Forza as the better series. GT may change my mind in December.

jett · Sep 23, 2009

OuterWorldVoice said:
that was annoying and I can't even tell what the point was, or what your allegiance is.

It was annoying? Other than the Forza 3 pictures it proved that Cyberhearter is full of shit.

Also, yes, the F40 is the best supercar ever. I doubt it will ever be topped.

Dra-Q · Sep 23, 2009

Melfice7 said:
looks like its on rails o_o

Something doesn't feel quite right :/

Diablohead · Sep 23, 2009

Wax Free Vanilla said:
What's going on here? Forza 2/Forza 3?

http://i37.tinypic.com/117fkma.gif[img][/QUOTE]
I think it's a level-of-detail change from F3 (looking at the hud)

Slayer-33 · Sep 23, 2009

Apex said:

cool off-screen caps for FM3 bro.

cool post history too, I can definitely trust your unbiased approach.

belvedere · Sep 23, 2009

Dra-Q said:
Something doesn't feel quite right :/

Yeah, something is off. That gif does nothing for the poor physics argument.

Diablohead · Sep 23, 2009

Dra-Q said:
Something doesn't feel quite right :/

4wd car I believe and the gif is faster then the video.

Apex · Sep 23, 2009

Wax Free Vanilla said:
What's going on here? Forza 2/Forza 3?

http://i37.tinypic.com/117fkma.gif

HQ car model swap(for the camera close-ups before the race) to in-game model swap.

Iknos · Sep 23, 2009

Arnie said:
Wow at the Prologue shots above. Polyphonys lighting engine is unmatched. The reflections are what sell it for me.

Most of those shots are replay shots that use higher LOD models than found in game and better reflections.

What is also improved is the mirrors. In-game the mirrors render a very basic looking track with short draw distance and low poly cars and IIRC doesn't render details like kicked up dust. In contrast Forza 3 renders a real reflection in real time.

So the comparisons thus far aren't adequate. Regardless GT5 does look better than Forza 3 mainly because of the consistent lighting system and all materials are polished to perfection.

But in-game both games will end up looking more comparable than they do when you compare replay shots with in-game shots as what most people are doing now.

eso76 · Sep 23, 2009

yep, models switching between pre race and ingame.

not too different, the lower lod actually gets the lights right wtf ?

Mooreberg · Sep 23, 2009

I never new racing sim threads were this entertaining. :lol

Slayer-33 · Sep 23, 2009

Dra-Q said:
Something doesn't feel quite right :/

you know what's cool about that gif? the fact that it doesn't have all the frames from the actual video.

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_forza_motorsport_3_press_conference_video_2b-12913_en.html

go ahead and see the actual video of it, there's nothing off about it. The car isnt even going as fast as that gif makes it out to be in the video :lol the amount of distorting is ungodly.

I'll remake that gif with all the frames brb.

shinnn · Sep 23, 2009

Apex said:
HQ car model swap(for the camera close-ups before the race) to in-game model swap.

you saw this in others cars? or it's the only one?

ps: nice work taking shit caps of FM3 :lol

phil_t · Sep 23, 2009

OMG I can't believe people are taking this all so seriously..

I thought it would be fun to join in with some banter, but wow, oh wow, this is getting stupid..

It's like a whole wave of pent up tension is being unleashed...

Time to sit back, have a laugh, and wait until we have some real info tomorrow..

SeaOfMadness · Sep 23, 2009

eso76 said:
ingame ? well, fuck me sideways.
while fm3 car models have similar detail as far as geometry goes, i believe that kind of detail is just for homespace/photo mode/menus in T10 game.

how were those GT5P shots not from photo mode? or are these new drivable camera angles?

cyberheater · Sep 23, 2009

Gaz Pwnage said:
whats he saying? "... for life"?

He's saying "I'm a Sony fuckwit...".

Arnie · Sep 23, 2009

belvedere said:
Yeah, something is off. That gif does nothing for the poor physics argument.

I literally had to do a double take of the Gif to check that it definetely wasn't Prologue before I responded. I did this because your post seems to live in an alternate reality where Forzas physics model is the one which is scrutinized and not Gran Turismos. Would this not be a fair assumption? Just look at the head of the page.

jett · Sep 23, 2009

Iknos said:
Most of those shots are replay shots that use higher LOD models than found in game and better reflections.

The graphical quality of the game is exactly the same in replays.

What is also improved is the mirrors. In-game the mirrors render a very basic looking track with short draw distance and low poly cars and IIRC doesn't render details like kicked up dust.

And again, the quality of the rear-view mirrors is the same in-game and in replays. You're thinking of an older pre-release GT5P build that did have mirrors that looked like crap. I have no idea about the dust shit, but it seems extremely petty to me in any case.

In contrast Forza 3 renders a real reflection in real time.

You realize that would mean F3 does real-time raytracing, don't you? :lol

cyberheater · Sep 23, 2009

Arnie said:
Wow at the Prologue shots above. Polyphonys lighting engine is unmatched. The reflections are what sell it for me.

I agree. Polyphonys lighting is sublime. They've completely nailed it.

I wonder why others find it so hard to copy?

belvedere · Sep 23, 2009

Arnie said:
I literally had to do a double take of the Gif to check that it definetely wasn't Prologue before I responded. I did this because your post seems to live in an alternate reality where Forzas physics model is the one which is scrutinized and not Gran Turismos. Would this not be a fair assumption? Just look at the head of the page.

The floaty/loose/arcade feel of the car is a GT5 problem?

Redbeard · Sep 23, 2009

Apex said:

I raise you

Lion Heart · Sep 23, 2009

Dear lord Apex, well done sir (except for the bad pics of Forza :lol ) Prologue ingame is much better than people give it credit for. And that Forza 3 gif helps show why I dont like the handling. Magic carpet is hyperbole, but there is some truth to that statement.

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