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wesleyshark · Jul 1, 2016

From Mike Ybarra (@XboxQwik) himself:

@Nugggzy: Can you confirm if xbox one s will upscale games to 4K. All product information seems to indicate this is not the case. #confused

@XboxQuik: Yes

@Nugggzy: all games or just games that support 4k upscaling?

@XboxQuik: All.

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geordiemp · Jul 1, 2016

My TV upscales all games to 4K...

So confusing....

All 4K tvs display in 4K LOL, but its not native...

etta · Jul 1, 2016

Yea I mean it'd be a system wide thing, not selective.

deletethis123 · Jul 1, 2016

Yeah, expected. Just sold my One so I might buy an S sometime down the line.

wesleyshark · Jul 1, 2016

geordiemp said:
My TV upscales all games to 4K...

So confusing....

LOL

Lol yeah. I see people asking this A LOT, though. So I figured it was worth posting about.

QuantumBro · Jul 1, 2016

I would expect nothing less from a system that's beta tested in the future.

xemumanic · Jul 1, 2016

It's probably better/faster for that system to output a 4K signal to a display than 1080p. Probably less lag due to the display not having to scale.

jstevenson · Jul 1, 2016

gah I don't wanna buy a 4k receiver but the time seems to be nearing

jediyoshi · Jul 1, 2016

geordiemp said:
My TV upscales all games to 4K...

So confusing....

All 4K tvs display in 4K LOL, but its not native...

There's a difference between a TV upscaling 1080p to 4k and a TV taking in a 4k signal.

HUELEN10 · Jul 1, 2016

Good, we don't need another shitty PS3 resolution approach.

Kilau · Jul 1, 2016

So does this mean that all Xbone game cases will have 4K listed like they did for 1080p on 360 games?

Go_Ly_Dow · Jul 1, 2016

Sub-1080p games upscaled to 4k will look really washed out.

5taquitos · Jul 1, 2016

AndyD · Jul 1, 2016

xemumanic said:
It's probably better/faster for that system to output a 4K signal to a display than 1080p. Probably less lag due to the display not having to scale.

I believe with 1080p some TVs produced a cleaner image. Dependent on TV of course. Not sure on delay though.

televator · Jul 1, 2016

Is there a hardware difference in the S compared to the original?

KINGofCRA5H · Jul 1, 2016

5taquitos said:

came here for this.

Lil'DigiOp · Jul 1, 2016

M_Night said:
Sub-1080p games upscaled to 4k will look really washed out.

Yeah, why try to a upscale a sub 1080p resolution. I don't how the Xbone is keeping up lately.. Is it running the latest games at 1080 or 900 still?

icespide · Jul 1, 2016

televator said:
Is there a hardware difference in the S compared to the original?

it's smaller

TimPV3 · Jul 1, 2016

So it's like the HANA (?) chip on the 360 that upscaled everything to 1080p

wesleyshark · Jul 1, 2016

5taquitos said:

lmao

OneUh8 · Jul 1, 2016

I wonder if you can chose what handles the scaling? Some tv's may scale better than the xbox and vice versa. Would be nice if it had an option to pass through if your tv has a better scaler.

HUELEN10 · Jul 1, 2016

girlfriendofagamer said:
Yeah, why try to a upscale a sub 1080p resolution. I don't how the Xbone is keeping up lately.. Is it running the latest games at 1080 or 900 still?

Because the One's internal scaler is faster. If all content is feed to the panel as 4K, the panel itself doesn't need to do any scaling.

Shin-Ra · Jul 1, 2016

5taquitos said:

I expected this.

geordiemp · Jul 1, 2016

jediyoshi said:
There's a difference between a TV upscaling 1080p to 4k and a TV taking in a 4k signal.

No there is not. A 900p native image upscaled by Xb1 to 4K will still look like a 900p image.

A 900P image upscaled to 1080p on my Ps4 then upscaled by my Panny AX will still look like a 900p image.

My Panny AX will have just under 30 ms input lag in game mode which ever connection is used.

If you have a cheap 4K tv with a bad build-in upscaler then maybe the xb1 might be better, but the image at 900p will still look like shit which ever way you cut it.

Clean 1080p images look good on 4K tv sets with good up scalers though, so clean 1080p image is better than anything else unless you have a 8 TF GPU.

nynt9 · Jul 1, 2016

5taquitos said:

Fixed that for you:

xemumanic · Jul 1, 2016

AndyD said:
I believe with 1080p some TVs produced a cleaner image. Dependent on TV of course. Not sure on delay though.

Yeah, it'll depend on the display. The scaling from 1080p to 2160p is a simple 4x scale, it shouldn't be very hard anyway. Also, I find it's usually best on if a fixed-resolution display gets it's native resolution from the source device, upscaled or not.

RoboPlato · Jul 1, 2016

Expected

Very intrigued to see what games support proper HDR and how much of a difference that makes. I think that's the most exciting part of the S.

wesleyshark · Jul 1, 2016

RoboPlato said:
Expected

Very intrigued to see what games support proper HDR and how much of a difference that makes. I think that's the most exciting part of the S.

Forza Horizon 3 is one

Wag · Jul 1, 2016

4k/30fps?

jediyoshi · Jul 1, 2016

geordiemp said:
No there is not

maybe the xb1 might be better

Pick one.

Moosichu · Jul 1, 2016

Wag said:
4k/30fps?

It will just be the FPS of games as they run on Xbox now.

geordiemp · Jul 1, 2016

jediyoshi said:
Pick one.

Xb1 S slightly better than Xb1 with cheap and nasty Chinese knock off 4K TV sets confirmed.

For everybody else, just sit 20 Ft from the TV.

oti · Jul 1, 2016

Doesn't my 4K TV do that already? This is confusing.

KojiKnight · Jul 1, 2016

"washed out"...? It's upscaling, not messing with the color balance.

At 'worst' it could be using some sort of god-awful sharpening filter (Didn't the early Xbone games have this problem?), but it's doubtful that 4k scaling would cause any washing out of colors.

If you have a 4k TV, either the system is going to be scaling it up, or your TV is. Scaling is happening regardless.

wesleyshark · Jul 1, 2016

Any washing out would be because you have a cheap TV, or your TV's settings are all wonky.

thunder_snail · Jul 1, 2016

It's better to have XOne upscale before outputting to the TV because:

1) XOne 720/900p -> 1080p then TV 1080p -> 4k will most likely look worse than direct 720/900p to 4k.

2) Depending on the TV, TV's upscaler may be slower than upscaling via the GPU, thus introducing more latency.

FinKL · Jul 1, 2016

Besides the obvious, this is good because it moves the upscaling from the TV to the console which may reduce input lag?

Fisty · Jul 1, 2016

You do realize all games are displayed at 4K right?

nyuck nyuck

EDIT: Beat like a PR guy

Crayon · Jul 1, 2016

FinKL said:
Besides the obvious, this is good because it moves the upscaling from the TV to the console which may reduce input lag?

Yeah it's good. A great thing about the 360 was that it has good scaler on board and you didn't have to leave the job up to the tv. A lot of tvs had shitty scaling at the time. I don;t know if it's any better now, but this is good news nonetheless.

Madness · Jul 1, 2016

oti xero said:
Doesn't my 4K TV do that already? This is confusing.

Your television takes a 1080p signal and upscales it to 4K. This now means your television takes in a 4K signal already and doesn't do it's own legwork. It is always better for the the originator of the video signal to upscale before it outputs the signal. However here the differences will really only be minimal. I doubt those of you with flagship televisions or 4K receivers that do upscaling would notice much difference. Maybe MS can release some photos showing what it is like for Xbox One S to upscale the image as opposed to say a Samsung 4K or something.

wesleyshark · Jul 1, 2016

FinKL said:
Besides the obvious, this is good because it moves the upscaling from the TV to the console which may reduce input lag?

Correcto

Tatsumi Oga · Jul 1, 2016

Wtf. Here i thought the Xbox One S only did 4k video. I wasn't planning on selling my current tv, it's friggin awesome and i was not planning on getting the S neither. How big of a difference will it really be, upscaled 4K versus what we have now?

Shpeshal Nick · Jul 1, 2016

jstevenson said:
gah I don't wanna buy a 4k receiver but the time seems to be nearing

My Onkyo already supports 4K somehow. Bought it years ago.

But I won't be buying a 4K TV until Boxing Day next year. Still buying an S day one. Already pre-ordered.

CrashPrime · Jul 1, 2016

So potentially less input lag and that is it. This really has nothing to do with visual quality. What a great feature *rolls eyes*.

Samurai G0SU · Jul 1, 2016

More intetested if they update the ui for the dashboard and utimize hdr there.

The current dashboard is alright. Nothing i would ever praise... Even in preview.

Graphics Horse · Jul 1, 2016

Will the interface be overlaid in 4k native?
Edit; beaten

emats12 · Jul 1, 2016

Doesn't matter. Any 4K tv wil upscale the image already.

AmyS · Jul 1, 2016

televator said:
Is there a hardware difference in the S compared to the original?

icespide said:
it's smaller

It also has HDR in hardware, for games / content that use it.

inpHilltr8r · Jul 2, 2016

televator said:
Is there a hardware difference in the S compared to the original?

Yeah, it's got HDR output. Huh, I wonder if that's mandatory for UHD?

Poodle Cannon · Jul 2, 2016

CrashPrime said:
So potentially less input lag and that is it. This really has nothing to do with visual quality. What a great feature *rolls eyes*.

Less input lag is always welcome in my book.

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