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Alan Wake - The First 12 Minutes (German)
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TheChewyWaffles
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eso76
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Last gen, when people didn't bother counting pixels we had games like Wreckless and Riddick, which were regarded as 2 of the most impressive games around and which run at a lower than standard res . No one really cared about that, very few could even tell.
Resolution is just another factor in resource shifting, not different from using lower res textures or low poly objects, but you don't see people making a huge deal on those, and that's simply because those cannot be put in numbers everyone understands.
At 720p Remedy would have had to sacrifice something else (texture res, pp, whatever) and the game wouldn't have looked this impressive under other aspects or been smooth enough.
Rendering at 540p helped freeing resources that were used for something else and while i agree that upscaling affects the entire IQ the difference is not that huge that the game suddenly looks like shit because of it.
Having said that, i would have preferred something like RE4's fake 16:9 mode (but in 21:9 here) to reduce the number of pixels being drawn each frame with little or no upscaling.
Resolution is just another factor in resource shifting, not different from using lower res textures or low poly objects, but you don't see people making a huge deal on those, and that's simply because those cannot be put in numbers everyone understands.
At 720p Remedy would have had to sacrifice something else (texture res, pp, whatever) and the game wouldn't have looked this impressive under other aspects or been smooth enough.
Rendering at 540p helped freeing resources that were used for something else and while i agree that upscaling affects the entire IQ the difference is not that huge that the game suddenly looks like shit because of it.
Having said that, i would have preferred something like RE4's fake 16:9 mode (but in 21:9 here) to reduce the number of pixels being drawn each frame with little or no upscaling.
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Dabanton said:
From the last page:
deathberry said:
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schennmu said:
Congratulations, you've found one person who claims textures look bad among a bunch of people who've played the game, yet made no such claims. Of course, we shouldn't be paying attention to them - instead, we should only be concentrating on negative impressions.
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REMEMBER CITADEL said:
Deathberry describes the effect of a sub hd resolution, so it seems believable to me. Does this mean the overall game will look bad? Of course not.
rainking187
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I'm one of those that hopes it doesn't end up like RE4. Looks like it could be a good survival horror game so far, I really don't want it to turn into an action game with no scares like RE4.
You could also pay attention to both positive and negative impressions, or even neither, both of which make far more sense than choosing a side.REMEMBER CITADEL said:
Or, even better, you could watch the available media and make up your own mind. We don't have to listen to a journalist's impressions when we have both videos and screenshots.
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Kenak said:
Eh, the only part of the game that scared me was oven man, and even then I was more surprised then scared.
Yeah. But come on, you really weren't scared the first time you were held up in the village, turned around to check the stair case, only to be met with chain saw man and your face on the floor?rainking187 said:
The regenerater's breathing didn't creep you out?
When that one boss popped in from the ceiling the first time?
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schennmu said:
Deathberry's words fall in line with your expectations. Others' impressions, includig BlimBlim's, go against your expectations. It's no surprise you choose to believe Deathberry, really, but that doesn't mean everyone else should just close their eyes to all the good things others have said about the game's visuals.
Thankfully, reviews should start hitting tomorrow so maybe all this lunacy will finally come to an end, one way or the other. I doubt it, but a man can dream.
pmj said:
No, you're wrong about that, we have to listen to pixel counters.
Reviews will solve nothing. Reviewers have been notoriously bad at pointing out even severe flaws in graphics such as half of the frames torn or huge drops in framerate, or fail to notice how either the 360 or PS3 version looks obviously better than the other version, or even come to the conclusion that the inferior version looks better, like happened with GTA4.REMEMBER CITADEL said:
The only way we'll know for sure that the game is up to our personal standards is by studying honest media from the game, or better yet by playing the game ourselves.
Resolution is a fact, but the importance we place on it is opinion. This is a thread for posting about such things. So people do.REMEMBER CITADEL said:
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pmj said:
The same can be said for people on this forum and gamers in general. Like Amir0x said, those things can be quite subjective.
However, with reviews we should also be getting DF's full analysis.
That I fully agree with.
There's a difference between discussing and spreading FUD and misinformation, deliberately or not. And like you just suggested yourself, there can not be any reasonable discussion about this matter until the game is in our hands. But reason is obviously not welcome in this thread.
pmj said:
I double-dipped on both PS3 and 360 versions of GTAIV. But in the end after extensive play with both versions it didn't make any difference for the experience overall. 360 version looked a little cleaner, oh my god, big fucking deal.. And anyway with AW there simply isn't another version, so keeping on harping on that shit makes even less sense.
God, this thread is painful to read.. Just when it was getting interesting it deteriorates back into pages upon pages of resolution wars..
surely this has been discussed to death already?
Oh well, at least with reviews coming tomorrow there will be more to talk about. I expect good things.
surely this has been discussed to death already?
Oh well, at least with reviews coming tomorrow there will be more to talk about. I expect good things.
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It's a sad state of affairs that people are scrutinising every little detail of an upcoming game. That instead of being happy that a game is finally shipping after years in development, everyone is unsatisfied with the game not living up to their lofty expectations of perfection in every aspect.
Fuck this pixel counting shit and places like Digital Foundry who's sole purpose is to add fuel to fanboy wars on which console is better, or revealing sub-HD resolutions for games that look and run beautiful (Halo 3, MW 1&2, etc).
Alan Wake is a brilliant looking game whose lighting mechanics have yet to be surpassed by any other title this generation. The fact that it has ugly textures up close doesn't mean that your experience in enjoying the game will diminish in anyway. If it does, you should not be playing consoles. Spend $500 every year and make Nvidia/ ATI happy until your eyes bleed.
And it's interesting to see that the overwhelming majority of people here picked on my negative point of the game looking like RE4, yet didn't bother to understand my reasoning behind that statement. Sensationalist headlines often used by tabloid websites are for people such as yourselves who thrive on stirring up controversy and flaming a needless war.
Enjoy the fucking games people, don't hate on every little thing cos you can't have it/ not your cup of tea.
/rant.
Fuck this pixel counting shit and places like Digital Foundry who's sole purpose is to add fuel to fanboy wars on which console is better, or revealing sub-HD resolutions for games that look and run beautiful (Halo 3, MW 1&2, etc).
Alan Wake is a brilliant looking game whose lighting mechanics have yet to be surpassed by any other title this generation. The fact that it has ugly textures up close doesn't mean that your experience in enjoying the game will diminish in anyway. If it does, you should not be playing consoles. Spend $500 every year and make Nvidia/ ATI happy until your eyes bleed.
And it's interesting to see that the overwhelming majority of people here picked on my negative point of the game looking like RE4, yet didn't bother to understand my reasoning behind that statement. Sensationalist headlines often used by tabloid websites are for people such as yourselves who thrive on stirring up controversy and flaming a needless war.
Enjoy the fucking games people, don't hate on every little thing cos you can't have it/ not your cup of tea.
/rant.
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OMG NOT ENOUGH P'S MY EYES I CAN"T SEE WITH OUT THOSE P'S
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
0OoO0 said:
You fight a mean looking harvester tractor at one point .. so I guess yeah.
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deathberry said:
To tell you the truth, I would be very disappointed if Alan Wake ended up being too much like RE4. Not because it's all been done already, but for the reasons I outlined in another thread. However, Max Payne games were already so far ahead of RE4 in those aspects (controls and shooting are my primary concerns) that I just can't see Alan Wake regressing back to RE4's levels.
By the way, I'm not sure I fully understand your RE4 complaint. Isn't the theme of normal townsfolk becoming infected or possessed common to pretty much all zombie games and movies? At least the dark presence in Alan Wake possesses not only people and animals, but also trees, machines and other inanimate objects.
whatevermort
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Is all this HD-whining going to be allowed in the official thread? Because I'd love to read more about this game - you know, opinions and stuff - but this thread is just insufferable with moaning.
Netrunner2k2
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I really, really can't wait to play this game. I've played Max Payne 1 and 2 so many times over because I love the way Remedy tells a story. That and they nailed the gameplay in those games. I also can't wait to hear the music, as Max Payne (especially 2) had some outstanding stuff, including Poets of the Fall, that I still listen to to this day.
Do we know if the radio/TV stuff will be serious or will it be similar to how Remedy used Dick Justice and the like in Max Payne 2?
Dick Justice: The rain was coming down like all the angels in Heaven had decided to take a piss at the same time. When you're in a situation like mine, you can only think in metaphors.
Do we know if the radio/TV stuff will be serious or will it be similar to how Remedy used Dick Justice and the like in Max Payne 2?
Dick Justice: The rain was coming down like all the angels in Heaven had decided to take a piss at the same time. When you're in a situation like mine, you can only think in metaphors.
GCX said:
Why development hell? Remedy was not satisfied with the product so they started almost from scratch. And yeah, Microsoft was very patient with them because they had faith in the product I think.
I dont even know where to start. But please, elaborate this.sinny said:
Vizionblind
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IGN Hilary Goldstein posted this via his twitter
""hilarygoldstein: Just finished Alan Wake @remedyalerts. It's great when story and gameplay work as one -- Congrats!"
""hilarygoldstein: Just finished Alan Wake @remedyalerts. It's great when story and gameplay work as one -- Congrats!"
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deathberry said:
Hype overload.
I'd be very disappointed if the game plays out like RE4, as good as it was...I'm hoping this is an all new experience and manages to out gameplay RE4 and out-atmosphere SH.
No mention of sound, mayne? How was it?
Clay Davis
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sinny said:
I thought it was in "development hell" because they decided to scale back the open world/sand box environment and go the more linear route?
Much like the reason behind the delay for Conviction.
Unless you have some amazing insider knowledge that no-one else knows. I'm all ears if you do.
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Clay Davis said:
The story also changed quite drastically from what it used to be in the beginning. But please, people, why do you have to fall for such obvious provocations? If mods won't do anything about the trolls, just try to ignore them.
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I guess you're right. 6 years was a long time to come up with something less cliché though. Still, as I said earlier, it's no big deal as it doesn't detract from the overall experience of the game
Clay Davis said:
When going in lighting-time, the sounds slows down as you'd expect, with excessive noise from flares or bullets hitting...the possessed people. Apart from that voice acting was great; feelings of fear, confusion and anger were very well portrayed.
Don't ask me about surround sound though, as we were playing it on a HDTV.