thehellofitall
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I'm definitely giving it a miss. He claims his beliefs gave changed, and it's important to acknowledge that people do grow and change, but this smells like bullshit to me.
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"The Last Night" (Milkshake Duck incarnate) E3 Trailer [XBO/Win10/Steam 2018]
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I'm definitely giving it a miss. He claims his beliefs gave changed, and it's important to acknowledge that people do grow and change, but this smells like bullshit to me.
The game started as a response to feminist criticism of games.
oh uh sorry. I think that's mostly me who misunderstood the term (I thought it was "defending the underdog" but I was wrong ! sorry ! English ain't my first language too and I sometimes forget about that
)Regardless, yeah, I understand you guys on this and quite frankly i'm still baffled. I guess...it's completely stupid and I know it.
I still heavily disagree with the stuff he says and I won't buy this game at launch without some reviews and such. I guess my point is that I can see what kind of dude he is too and I can put myself in his shoes as I was as shortsighted as he was years ago (Like I said, I'll take that L for that). He doesn't seem like some "frothing at the mouth" GGer but some guy with social issues ignorance and I just wanna avoid the "shotgun against a rabbit" approach. But again, that is not to say that I won't criticize his stance or the plot if it mirrors it and then discard his game
That I completely concurr with. So many things seem completely odd. The biggest being "universal income kills creativity". I'm biased because socialist but still, also as a gamedev and artist working basically for free for years, and knowing he's also an indie, I'm kinda confused why that stance would be prevalent
Muffin1611
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I guess it's because nobody links Breitbart as something to support their arguments. Not many on GAF are that stupid.
Vincent Grayson
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The bolded is simply true, full stop. The "truth" is not somewhere between those two points.
thehellofitall
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It's not a response I'm interested in hearing,to be honest. It's the same bullshit we've been hearing constantly, at deafening volumes, for years.
I think it's important to remember in times like this that no one person has the moral authority to decide what games should or should not exist for everyone else. We can voice our concerns, spread awareness of the creator's political leanings, and hope that people come to similar conclusions regarding supporting the product that some of us have. We can hope that the people involved see the error of their way, and even hope that the inevitable proceeds from the game are not used to further detrimental causes.
However, I don't feel it is morally justified to pressure Microsoft to drop this game, as at the end of the day I believe most would not want to let a platform holder decide what is morally acceptable for games to portray.
(ps. I'm an anarcho-feminist)
However, I don't feel it is morally justified to pressure Microsoft to drop this game, as at the end of the day I believe most would not want to let a platform holder decide what is morally acceptable for games to portray.
(ps. I'm an anarcho-feminist)
Not been reading the thread?
Yep! Spot on! I swear this both sides stuff makes me so mad
Buggy Loop
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Can anyone make a TL;DR of the thread?
Outside of knowing this is one of the most incredibly looking game i've seen in a long time artistically, i have a feeling this is not the debate..
I don't think they should block the release on the XB but I would like MS to drop the marketing agreement they have with this scumbag.
He is a Gamergater that has filled his game with his shit ideology.
Scrooge McDuck
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Aarglefarg
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"Devil's advocate" means "I'll bring up this argument I don't actually believe in, just as a mental exercise, for people think about the topic from another point of view".oh uh sorry. I think that's mostly me who misunderstood the term (I thought it was "defending the underdog" but I was wrong ! sorry ! English ain't my first language too and I sometimes forget about that
I wasn't aware they were marketing it, fair enough.
Fantastapotamus
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Yep. "Both sides" only makes sense when one side isn't clearly right.
Every time they sit some random climate-change denier on a table with an actual, you know, scientist, my blood starts boiling.
Stead Fast
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You see, up until today, if you'd have shown me that out of context, I'd take it as a parody tweet. That's how fucked up that blurb is.
Undead Hero
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Fuck my life. Read the first page of this thread, then this last page. Don't think I've ever seen a swing this hard and this fast. Why can't we just have a cool modern Flashback. 😩
girls are mean
kitsunelaine
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It also asserts that it's a view worth hearing and debating, which is the thing that most people don't understand, and is often why a lot of people get upset at devil's advocates.
Dr Funfrock
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Such a shame that both the in-game story and it's director is crazy, because based on the trailer this is probably the most beautiful pixel art I've ever seen, and it looks extremely fluid.
MS won't drop marketing, and they probably weren't (and aren't) aware of his deranged personal views.
MS won't drop marketing, and they probably weren't (and aren't) aware of his deranged personal views.
crookedaxis
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day one on steam. great atmosphere and soundtrack by Lorne, i'm so sold. hopefully most of the soundtrack is by him.
wish there was a portable version though :{ vita or switch, whatever. maybe in the future.
wish there was a portable version though :{ vita or switch, whatever. maybe in the future.
Oooh wow, okay yeah that's completely different than what I thought (even AFTER I googled it)
I need a coffee
Screaming Meat
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Yeah, I don't get that at all. Surely it would give people more time to be creative in without having to worry about making ends meet? Like, I get that struggle can be conducive to art, but still.
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Yeah, I don't get that at all. Surely it would give people more time to be creative in without having to worry about making ends meet? Like, I get that struggle can be conducive to art, but still.
Joe Condor
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Yup, many people here seem unable to entertain an idea without agreeing with it.
I do
Interfectum
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Anyone seeing Notch's tweets this morning? Sheesh.
ShironRedshift
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People have covered the basics already but if you want more specifics:
The creator is telling you what the game is about
How do we separate?
Our main character in The Last Night is bisexual.
I sure hope the author isn't angling for the direction with this characterization that I think he's angling for.
I realised he probably had French tweets people hadn't caught:
(the tweets he's replying to have been deleted)
1. The only racist I see here creating a racial hierarchy because someone is black or white here is you.
2. The real racists are the degenerates of your kind who see everything through the prism of race and gender.
(The next tweets are in the context of an "anti colonial summer camp" in France for POC which did not welcome the participation of white folk.)
Tim1. Please tell me you're not defending the summer camp, Baptiste.
Baptiste2. I 200% do, and I really dislike seeing everybody up in arms about it. "Oh my god, the oppressed are organising!"
Tim3. Wow, you've totally bought into the rhetoric of oppression and state racism. Disappointing.
(he then suggests Baptiste read an article he links)
Baptiste4. I read it, it's mediocre and shallow. Whether or not it chaffs your butt, institutional racism exists and is still a reality.
Baptiste5. Obviously, people who don't live it scream when say that, which in itself justifies the existence of a camp where speech is protected.
Tim6. That's anti living-together. I miss the 90s when I was a kid and we were all mixed and never thought about colour or religion.
And, re: Zoe Quinn
I don't know if you're aware, but it's a hot topic. Zoe Quinn was sexually harassing men all while crying sexism.
kitsunelaine
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That's not what I was getting at. What I was getting at, was some ideas aren't worth entertaining. Period. To entertain them gives them unearned legitimacy, which is what bad ideas thrive on.
Unless you mean the people advocating for the devil agree with the ideas they're advocating and are just using it as a poorly constructed shield to avoid the appearance of having skin in the game, in which case: Yes. So much yes.
Why yes, unfortunately. I'm going to share my misfortune with everybody.
https://twitter.com/notch/status/874107099604688896?s=09
kitsunelaine
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It's the "All Lives Matter" of anti-feminists.
I don't have to see them to know he's spewing the same vile shit he always has.
the man has lost his goddamn mind
KLoWn
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Wait, how are they "anti-feminism" if all lives matter? What?
freethought
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I came into the thread knowing this shit and took some perverse pleasure in seeing the wheels come off.
Dangerblade
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Graham Linehan calling Notch out on Twitter is one of my highlights of 2017
kitsunelaine
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Oh my sweet summer child.
Buggy Loop
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KLoWn
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Can't help it. I don't pay much attention to this kind of stuff =/
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