I looked up the numbers: US has provided 1 million dollars to NK in humanitarian aid, UN is 6 million.
I'm no expert, but these numbers don't seem enough to sustain them either.
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North Korea missile launch thread for September 15. 2017
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I looked up the numbers: US has provided 1 million dollars to NK in humanitarian aid, UN is 6 million.
I'm no expert, but these numbers don't seem enough to sustain them either.
SolidChamp
Banned
Worry not! Antlion is tame! I will take the SandRuby.
SDCowboy
Member
A nuke was not launched over Japan.
Ballistic missile then, my mistake. The point stands though.
You don't downplay it, but you deal with it calmly and with composure. Also, you consider reducing the risk of public panic by informing people of missile flyovers after they've already splashed into the sea
SDCowboy
Member
A blank missile. Launched hundreds of miles over the country.
I'm not saying it's ok in any way, but that is how/why it gets downplayed.
This is false. An ICBM just means intercontinental ballistic missile meaning cross continents. Otherwise it is just a ballistic missile. The US, Russia, Israel have developed missile intercept systems. The problem is they are not foolproof. THAAD, the S-500, Iron Dome these can intercept ballistic missiles. The issue is, you can overwhelm air defense, but a single missile in place can be stopped. But remember it is also much like shooting a moving target out of air with a gun. You need to be faster than the target or have better aiming. Improved radars, better satellite positioning and imagery means, most cruise missiles and medium range ballistic range missiles stoppable. It is why Russia is developing supersonic and hypersonic cruise missiles.
Right now, the US wouldn't be able to prevent an all out Russian or Chinese missile launch. Just not possible. But a single or handful of NK missiles. Depends on the range and flight. The US can launch interceptor missiles pretty quickly, can mobilize air superiority. But to prevent say a bombing of Seoul, that is why they need they multiple sites for THAAD and MIM-104 Patriot missiles in SK.
What? The US can launch B2 stealth bombers in minutes undetectable by NK or China and carpet bomb all of Pyongyang unconventionally before anyone even knows what happens. Why do you think they would send troops? Are you ignoring the multiple nuclear submarines around Japan and SK right now that could probably launch multiple conventional missiles targeting most of NK without any detection? Russia and China would not challenge the world superpower if it came to NK especially if NK attacks first. Would be suicide on their end. That's what happens when you have the biggest stick. The only issue is the US no longer speaks softly.
eatingforwork
Member
I agree and disagree. Lots of US US allies border China and with the way wars are fought nowadays, the real battle will be in the air (or falling from it). Even as someone born in Seoul and someone who would love to see a reunification, I don't ever see how it could happen. It's oil and water from political, idealogical and technological aspects. South Korea has a hard enough time getting a small handful of defectors integrated into South Korea society. Imagine that extended to everyone in NK. It would take decades.
To me they seem like more of a thing for news stations to discuss rather than some scaremongering for the populace. I've yet to see many people freaking out over them and most seem to just treat them as a mild annoyance.
But again in the end I don't think it's unreasonable for some people to want something done. Everything NK does gets met either with strong words or at most with sanctions, and that seems to be all that they are going to be getting, which results in literally zero reduction in hostility from NK. If you think phone alerts are too much and NK shows no sign of a change in behavior, you're asking for literally zero reaction to at this point monthly ICBM flyovers.
China has already said they'll stay out of any conflict between the US and NK if NK strikes first. Russia likely would as well. Neither of them give a shit about NK enough to go to war with the US, no one's gonna start WW3 over North Korea. China especially won't go to war with their #1 economic and trade partner.
If NK instigates a war with the US or one of it's allies (SK or Japan), China has basically told them they're on their own.
This verge article describes how the US may have a chance bringing down an ICBM..
It relies on the distance the ICBM has to fly to reach the US as well as getting lucky. Given Japan is just a stones throw away from NK I would highly doubt they would get organized to shoot it down.
shira
Member
No secondapps countdown timer in OP?
What are you even advocating for here? A significant portion of North Korea's population is more concerned with getting enough food than they are anything else. You get thrown in a concentration camp for life for even minor infractions. There is no internet, and no means of organizing a resistance when citizens are required to report wrong doing with the lives of their families at risk. The notion that they just need to grow a pair is as naive and insulting as whatever you just posted is unintelligible.
eatingforwork
Member
I'd tend to disagree only because once the bombs start falling, North Koreans basically have one place to go...North to China.
TestedTurok
Banned
Aren't their dedicated nuclear testing grounds for countries? Why test in another countries sea, over the damn island etc.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
China did say they will side with NK if US attacks first though.
SDCowboy
Member
Right, it's still far from easy, but NK isn't launching anything without it being known long in advance.
Netherscourge
Banned
Good, good.
Keep wasting that rocket fuel.
Keep wasting that rocket fuel.
I would not be surprised if the Chinese military just killed anyone who tried to cross the border, Russia too.
The alerts can be scaremongering and also not effective at scaring people.
The alerts don't constitute any kind of "reaction" against NK, though. Why would they care about a domestic alert system? No system would make the least bit of difference in a real attack.
Anyway, as for a real reaction, there's still nothing we can do. NK will never launch real missiles, and will inevitably change its political system by itself, eventually.
"The only solution is war."
"North Korean citizens are as disposable as the nazis."
"There won't be millions of South Korean casualties."
Something tells me you don't know what you're talking about.
Why do you think this? As far as I know, launches can't be detected until the missile is in the air. I can't imagine any way you could predict a launch before that.
ChainedMaster
Banned
I remember the hysteria of few people that said the missile could have malfunctioned and landed in Japan. Any missile fired in that general direction could do that. Firing over doesn't make it anymore likely. It's a symbolic gesture. Alarming, but merely symbolic.
eatingforwork
Member
Its the exact opposite. While they have nukes/missiles, noone is going there. That's what they hope, at least. Makes sense.
It's a reaction against an NK action, not against them specifically. I just meant minus these admittedly useless alerts, there would be no reaction to flyby ICBMs which seems kind of crazy. People have gotten used to enough NK garbage as being normal, I don't know if these types of events should be included in that. Alerts might help delay that effect at least.
Hey, man.
Get back to us with those HOT TAKES when a belligerent country starts shooting missiles over your country / home on a weekly basis.
ChainedMaster
Banned
They've always fired missiles to the Sea of Japan before though. This is just a symbolic change.
SDCowboy
Member
There is no hot take there. Nobody, including myself, is saying this is ok.
I think China's assurance to defend North Korea if the U.S. strikes first is mostly meant to stabilize the present situation, and if it comes to that scenario China will not honor the pledge. China will find a face-saving excuse to stay out of the situation, such as saying "launching over Japan and repeatedly threatening counts".
For China nothing has priority over their plan to become a superpower on equal footing with the U.S. within a few decades. China's not going to sacrifice that goal for North Korea, and a refugee crisis is an acceptable loss to endure to get to that goal.
For China nothing has priority over their plan to become a superpower on equal footing with the U.S. within a few decades. China's not going to sacrifice that goal for North Korea, and a refugee crisis is an acceptable loss to endure to get to that goal.
Etrian Oddity
Member
I know this is a joking post, but it does make you wonder.Wonder if they'll launch another one when/if Trump visits Japan in 2 months time
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...rly-november-stops-vietnam-philippines-china/
Do you think NK would be ballsy enough to fire a missile over a region the President of the United States is in?
Really? Feels more threatening when they're shooting them over your house (fig) than dropping them in your front yard. At the moment of launch, I guess you wouldn't know which is which though, fair enough.
All right.
Sorry for the kneejerk response.
MonsterHunter
Member
Article 9 was a mistake
I don't agree with this at all.
Isn't there enough war and conflict to go around already?
Ivellios
Member
This is a dumb and ignorant post in so many ways, its easy to speak about NK civilians having no balls from where you stand, i wonder if you would be so brave if you lived there.
Insane Metal
Member
And this will only escalate, because they are trying to force down those sanctions. I hope it works the other way around though.
spons
Gold Member
I apologize for the virtual dump I took in this thread. I wasn't thinking. Consider this a well-meant sorry for the three people who haven't placed me on their ignore lists.
South Korea will most likely be hit the very instant the North is attacked. China will have to make a serious move in putting the correct sanctions in place.
PS: I'm not under the influence of anything, nor am I 13 years of age. Thanks.
South Korea will most likely be hit the very instant the North is attacked. China will have to make a serious move in putting the correct sanctions in place.
PS: I'm not under the influence of anything, nor am I 13 years of age. Thanks.
John Rabbit
Banned
I'll be in Tokyo for the next 3.5 days, really hope nothing happens.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
It's always odd to see people outside of Japan saying we got nothing to worry about lol
The_Inquisitor
Member
Reduced sanctions because the US wanted unity w/ Russia and China.
More like reduced instead of facing veto.
I think there generally is nothing to worry about but I find it weird that people think anything more than a yawn at these scenarios is overreacting.
Coriolanus
Banned
in the shelling incident, SK was doing shelling drills, then NK got antsy and shelled SK. SK shelled them right the fuck back with gusto, so the idea that "no one did anything" is a falsehood.
In the sinking of the SK navy ship, read the whole wikipedia article and not just the opening paragraph. The way the investigation was handled there was a mess.
also "firing over japan" is a very peculiar sentence for an object that is supposed to fly at a greater height than the ISS.
Is there reason to worry? Sure. It's fucking NK. There's always reason to worry.
Is there reason to think that they'll actually carry out the threats that they've been issuing for decades? Narp.
superdeluxe
Member
This is the 5th time that a missile (2nd in as many months) has been fired over Japan. It's a clear escalation in their provocation
The_Inquisitor
Member
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Yeah, especially since a lot of people are forgetting/overlooking the fact that Japan's largest military ally has no real leader right now
Why shouldn't North Korea have the ability to defend its country?