Mr. Mister
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benjipwns said:
:lol
Commonly accepted? One article about a casual PC game where the developer extrapolates that figure = commonly accepted?
Get out of here with that garbage.
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The most pirated games of 2010 as per TorrentFreak survey of pub. BitTorrent trackers
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Commonly accepted? One article about a casual PC game where the developer extrapolates that figure = commonly accepted?
Get out of here with that garbage.
prodystopian
Member
ShockingAlberto said:
I'd be very interested to see the numbers over time. Are 90% of these downloads in the first week (or prior in this case)? 75%? 50%?
darkpaladinmfc
Member
They will for Zelda though :lol.Emonga said:
Zoramon089
Banned
Well considering there's no other way to play the game...what do you think they did? Shoplifted them?Emonga said:
evil solrac v3.0
Member
CozMick said:
funny you mention, I found this comment very interesting from that article.
Lostconfused
Member
Probably just didn't even play in the first place.Zoramon089 said:
Phantast2k
Member
Stumpokapow,
I know it's anecdotal evidence. But I just sat down for a minute and thought about all of my acquaintances (so not just my cricle of friends, but even a guy from some case study group whom I met 2 times for 30 minutes) who somehow play video games. I could think of at least 40-50 people.
Soo, none of them refrain from pirating. They either pirate exclusively or they buy online enabled games and pirate single player games. They either only pirate on PC while buying console games. All of them pirate! Everyone. And that even includes me (cause I pirated until around 2003; mostly PC games).
So it's Europe too, not just Eastern Europe, Russia, and China.
And I'm from Germany. I don't wanna know how it is in Spain, Portugal, Italy and so forth :O
I know it's anecdotal evidence. But I just sat down for a minute and thought about all of my acquaintances (so not just my cricle of friends, but even a guy from some case study group whom I met 2 times for 30 minutes) who somehow play video games. I could think of at least 40-50 people.
Soo, none of them refrain from pirating. They either pirate exclusively or they buy online enabled games and pirate single player games. They either only pirate on PC while buying console games. All of them pirate! Everyone. And that even includes me (cause I pirated until around 2003; mostly PC games).
So it's Europe too, not just Eastern Europe, Russia, and China.
And I'm from Germany. I don't wanna know how it is in Spain, Portugal, Italy and so forth :O
This is also public torrent data. Add in private trackers and usenet and the numbers become even more insane. Console piracy probably happens more on private trackers than public ones. And there's not really a way to gauge usenet. Public torrents will have multiple trackers for each torrent. If you count them all individually and add them up the numbers would be huge cause they're multiplied by as many trackers as are listed for that torrent.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Interesting and that makes sense. These numbers never seem genuine.evil solrac v3.0 said:
rohlfinator
Member
That comment is probably right about the numbers being misleading, but "COD isn't very popular on PC" is flat out wrong. Those games are frequently high on the Steam charts even during the huge sales, and I imagine they do even better at retail than on digital distribution.evil solrac v3.0 said:
Equus Bellator Apex
Junior Member
What's usenet?
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Yoritomo said:
Actually I'd imagine most console piracy is done via sale of bootlegs rather than individuals downloading.
Of course you can't visit a website and see numbers for that so you can't generate headlines.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Equus Bellator Apex said:
Its basically similar to torrent sites but you're not uploading anything. You're also not sharing a download with others. You're just downloading a file.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
That is why no one bought Alan Wake. See Remedy people care give me a sequel.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
noise36 said:
It'd be nice if he showed his face again in this thread but doubt that will be happening.
benjipwns
Banned
It's not one lone article, it's appeared a number of times from a number of developers who put the number around that mark. I believe Brad Wardell and 2D Boy have suggested a similar figure of piracy v. sales. (In fairness others have placed it lower and some placed it far higher.)Mr. Mister said:
And I meant it more as it being a ballpark figure for "it's not 1:1" in terms of being able to turn a pirate into a sale not an objective truth that describes all realities. Instead, that it takes far more than stopping piracy completely to grow sales. I don't think anyone rational has ever suggested otherwise.
Yoritomo said:
You could probably get a general number by checking the download numbers on the various nzb sites.
I don't buy any games where the PC release is delayed or has ridiculous DRM but it's gotten to the point where I think the publishers are fully justified at giving me the finger. They're losing my sale but probably retain a good number of otherwise 'lost' sales to piracy if they can delay the crack for the initial release. And if they're not 100% that their PC port of a multiplatform release will make a good deal of profit why compromise console sales. It's a damn shame and i'm resigned to the fact it will only get worse.
Frank "Trashman" Reynolds
Banned
BloodySinner said:
lol love this retarded logic. People will take shit when it is free. That doesn't mean if piracy wasn't a viable option they would run out and buy a copy. Not every copy pirated equates to lost revenue.
I borrow games from friends all of the time and play them to completion. Oh fuck... Borrowing = lost sales.
MrTroubleMaker
Gold Member
wow, that's disgusting and depressing at the same time
DreadTheUnDead
Member
for all the people asking about the illegal downloading of games that are primarily multiplayer: illegal downloading and multiplayer play haven't been mutually exclusive for quite some time now. just see thinks like Garena Client for example.
edit: oh and on topic: those numbers suck, but aren't really surprising. pirating's a worldwide problem. it's a real shame. and i never really thought about it, but it does make sense that devs are giving consoles more and more attention, i'd imagine they're just harder to pirate. which sucks because i just recently got into PC gaming
edit: oh and on topic: those numbers suck, but aren't really surprising. pirating's a worldwide problem. it's a real shame. and i never really thought about it, but it does make sense that devs are giving consoles more and more attention, i'd imagine they're just harder to pirate. which sucks because i just recently got into PC gaming
darkpaladinmfc
Member
There is no way to play StarCraft II multiplayer without a legit copy, and that is on the list.DreadTheUnDead said:
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Awful but not really surprising.
Gaming is an expensive hobby (in the context from where I live). One game can equate to a full course meal (breakfast, lunch, and dinner) worth 2-3 weeks, heck even a month.
Gaming is an expensive hobby (in the context from where I live). One game can equate to a full course meal (breakfast, lunch, and dinner) worth 2-3 weeks, heck even a month.
DreadTheUnDead
Member
darkpaladinmfc said:
that's true, but i was talking more about the questions directed at CoD:BO.
As for SC2, isn't it downloadable for free on Blizzard's website anyways ? so that statistic shouldnt really matter. without the bought code its a useless download
BloodySinner
Banned
You didn't give a reason. And like many others in this mess of a thread, you're not adding much to the discussion.noise36 said:
LovingSteam said:
What is this garbage? If you pirate a copy, you're NOT paying the author for their work. Therefore, it's a loss. What's so hard to understand about that? YOU ARE STEALING THE DATA. So unless you can prove me wrong, then shut up.
Yet a good portion of multiplatform games do better on the 360 and sometimes they'll trounce the PC numbers in sales. Why is that?iam220 said:
Ranger X said:
The only voice of reason here.
Frank "Trashman" Reynolds said:
Who said it was free? If it was, wouldn't the developer have made it known?
Frank "Trashman" Reynolds said:I borrow games from friends all of the time and play them to completion. Oh fuck... Borrowing = lost sales.
Borrowing a PAID copy of a game is the same thing as pirating a copy online? RITE?
LovingSteam said:
You're right. Because this thread is dumb. I'm out.
So given Red Steel's numbers, does this disprove Ubisoft's theory on people not wanting to be up playing a game? I know it's imposible to know if they liked it or even played it, but interest was there.
BloodySinner. It's not a lost sale as you put it, because eved though they're downloading copyrighted material and not paying for it, it doesn't mean they would've bought it if that was the only choice.
BloodySinner. It's not a lost sale as you put it, because eved though they're downloading copyrighted material and not paying for it, it doesn't mean they would've bought it if that was the only choice.
brain_stew
Member
BloodySinner said:
Legality aside, the net effect to the developer/publisher is exactly the same.
Alien Swarm is free on Steam, there are still torrents of it.BloodySinner said:
Borrowing a game isn't really much different than pirating from someone who bought the game, in the grand scheme of things. Pirating is simply much easier than lending/borrowing games out to mass amounts of people.BloodySinner said:
Your entire post is an entire stream of fuck, man.
Multiplats doing better on console may or may not be due to piracy. Likely the difference is in demographics or release circumstance. Halo 2 was more successful on X Box. Is that because of PC piracy or other factors?
Believing that piracy = lost sale is flat out wrong. Does buying a game, losing it years later, and downloading it to replay count as a lost sale? The legality of that is unquestionable, and yes, you're still seeding to others who may not have paid. But you yourself technically own the game. Therefore, piracy does not equal a lost sale.
In some cases it clearly does, but it is no way an absolute.
Mr. Mister
Member
benjipwns said:
Even if it was 10000000:1 that is still one lost sale -- case closed. You are also taking small PC developers word as the be all end all. I love smaller niche PC games and thing there is a thriving ecosystem for them but this ignores the realities of big budget games which when looking at this list got slammed.
In another thread a mod was trying to make some lame argument that piracy helps niche titles. I look at this list and see three titles I would consider semi-niche for the console crowd Dante''s Inferno, Alan Wake, and Red Steel 2. All of these under performed. They are all respectable games.
I'm still waiting for him to get back to me with his research backing up his claim.
Chris Murphy
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I used to pirate games all the time much in the way that most people (even on this forum) pirate films and music. The sole reason for it is that I could not afford games. I was not a potential buyer, just someone who enjoyed games and didn't have the necessary means to play them.
I now have a job which gives me the money to buy games. Game developers especially require peoples money; the difference between a few thousand people buying a game and a few thousand people not buying a game can kill a whole studio.
Since having the resources to buy games I have actually rebought games that I have pirated in the past (please note that this past is many years ago). In most cases haven't even played them again but thought my initial enjoyment made the developers deserve my money.
I hope I don't get banned for opening up about my pirating past. I think most people will agree that pirating is a bad thing but I still hold on to the belief that a pirated game is not necessarily a lost sale.
Now that I am in a position to do so I will always make sure that developers get the money they deserve.
Edit: Just wanted to note that my pirating days were a long time ago. I don't wish to be banned just wanted to add my own personal experience to the discussion.
I now have a job which gives me the money to buy games. Game developers especially require peoples money; the difference between a few thousand people buying a game and a few thousand people not buying a game can kill a whole studio.
Since having the resources to buy games I have actually rebought games that I have pirated in the past (please note that this past is many years ago). In most cases haven't even played them again but thought my initial enjoyment made the developers deserve my money.
I hope I don't get banned for opening up about my pirating past. I think most people will agree that pirating is a bad thing but I still hold on to the belief that a pirated game is not necessarily a lost sale.
Now that I am in a position to do so I will always make sure that developers get the money they deserve.
Edit: Just wanted to note that my pirating days were a long time ago. I don't wish to be banned just wanted to add my own personal experience to the discussion.
Frank "Trashman" Reynolds
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BloodySinner said:
lol I'd argue all of the silly, mindless shit you just spewed in this post, but others have already done so.
Btw... You're the person making this thread so "dumb". Glad you're out.
The Faceless Master
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obviously the robust single player modes!kamspy said:
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Seriously, these torrent sites need to be shut down. I know these pirates aren't going to buy the games anyway, but that doesn't mean they have a right to play it for free.
I've actually been pleased at how well the PS3's managed to this point, but even that's finally getting hacked now.
Consoles need to step up the security and lock this shit up. No more pirating, no more bullshit. Just make your systems region free and lock everything else up.
I've actually been pleased at how well the PS3's managed to this point, but even that's finally getting hacked now.
Consoles need to step up the security and lock this shit up. No more pirating, no more bullshit. Just make your systems region free and lock everything else up.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Oh dear. Have you been in a piracy thread before?BloodySinner said:
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Pretty much. Dude is as ignorant as ignorant could be on this topic.The_Technomancer said:
wayward archer
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SOME pirated copies = lost sales.
PumpkinPie
Banned
People still play pirate games? o.0