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Dragon Age 2 Goes Gold, Live Developer Gameplay/Q&A [Update 2: Recorded Version Up]
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Fimbulvetr
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bluedeviltron said:
So good. *man tear*
Reluctant-Hero
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Basically, I'm learning that PC gamers are the ones who have huge issues with DA2. And rightly so, I understand their perspective.bluedeviltron said:
But I'm primarily a console gamer who owns an M11x R1 so play cool games that aren't available on consoles (i.e. Starcraft 2, WoW, DoW 40K II, etc). And everything I've seen of DA2 has me eagerly anticipating it. I love DAO as it is and I'm looking forward to the changes coming in DA2 just like I love ME1 as it is and love ME2 even more.
cartman414
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Quagm1r3 said:
Yeah. Too many crowd control skills is not a good thing.
Like I said, it looks like they're making this one big ability arms race.
Maxrpg said:
Sounds like you need a better desktop chair. And PC = master version.
P. S. Weren't you the one in that one PC thread arguing that consoles > PCs because you get to play from your chair?
SenorDingDong
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Reluctant-Hero
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SenorDingDong said:
Nice, thanks for the heads-up!
Great stuff there, basically the finished version of the alpha/beta build I played at PAX last fall. But I think there is more to the demo and he just cut off filming after the first 17 minutes.
But, yup, my frothing demand for this game increases!
lastplayed
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Ugh, swinging a 6 foot sword like it was made of fucking air.
I dunno why it bugs me so much.
I dunno why it bugs me so much.
Fimbulvetr
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Acidote said:
Well yeah. You're supposed to be overpowered for that.
Reluctant-Hero
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Fimbulvetr said:
Yeah, but it's hard to tell when the female templar says "Bullshit, it didn't happen that way!".
/sarcasm
DodgyGeezerFella
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Personally i think it looks great, cant wait 
fizzelopeguss
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I guess when bioware mentioned looking "super hot" and "fresh new art-style" they were talking about gutting the PC version and getting this thing running smoother on consoles.
Confidence Man
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So the only difference between medium settings and high/very high are some DX11 effects?
fizzelopeguss
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Tokubetsu said:
I enjoy the forum hate more than the casual crap released these days.
i kid.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Them are the new N64 middleware bones that were just approved and certified for PC use. Man, this will save tons of money in development!Fimbulvetr said:
So good. *man tear*
Tokubetsu said:
Not sure that will be necessary. The DA2 OT thread is going to be delicious with petulant PC elitists putting on their best Jay Cutler poutface, repeating how they don't care because the Witcher II will slaughter this game and keep their dreams alive. Lulz. I hope CDP announces a console version of The Witcher II just to see how angry they get.
Tokubetsu
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truly101 said:Not sure that will be necessary. The DA2 OT thread is going to be delicious with petulant PC elitists putting on their best Jay Cutler poutface, repeating how they don't care because the Witcher II will slaughter this game and keep their dreams alive. Lulz. I hope CDP announces a console version of The Witcher II just to see how angry they get.
Oh, no doubt. I'm gonna name drop CDP and Witcher 2 in every post. Real talk.
Stumpokapow
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truly101 said:
CDP did announce a console version of The Witcher (1) and no one got angry. They correctly pointed out that some interface things might be a little clunky, to which CDP replied that they were going for a more intense, action-oriented version of the game. Based on that, some players of TW1 said that they'd like to see the changes, while others said they'd probably prefer the original. That seems like a pretty reasonable, organic range of reactions to that news.
... and when you have to use an image macro to call someone butthurt, it pretty much falls into "I ain't even mad" territory.
Felix Lighter
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I'm still very much looking forward to playing the game, I just have some issues with some of the choices they made with the sequel. I expect to enjoy the game in spite of some disappointing design decisions.
truly101 said:
They've already mentioned they may release a console version after the PC is out, but since there's no simultaneous development where the console versions will hold the PC back, it won't matter. We get a legitimate PC RPG. Console gamers get their "press a button to do something cool" game. Up is up, down is down.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I will be playing The Witcher 2 with a pad.......maybe lol. In truth, this will be my first major PC RPG purchase since building my new PC so I will try M/KB first as I played that way back in my younger days. BUT I already got my DS3 sync'd with my BT dongle and emulating a 360 controller. Life is grand on comfy couch land. It's great too since it auto sync's like a DS3 on a PS3 would and I don't have to plug it in to "pair" at all.Zeliard said:
Didn't you make the first OT lolEviLore said:
If you're serious then it's best for it to be that way and not have needless bickering.
You may as well do the Witcher 2 OT as well in that case
truly101 said:
The DA2 thread will be like any other, including the DAO thread. People will praise things, criticize things, ask questions, give answers, and make random comments. If there's a higher ratio of criticism then that will simply be because more people find more to criticize than to praise. That's part of having an opinion.
Felix Lighter
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LiquidMetal14 said:
It will be brutal.
Zeliard said:
I'm not so sure. Based on the other DA2 threads, they got mucked up pretty quick with PC gamers who had a bone to pick (in some ways, justifiably) I just think its going to be ugly, like the game right?
For the record, I think Bioware should have made this game a spinoff and the actual sequel more like the original. Streamlining the interface for the console version is one thing, but trying to ME2 the game is not the best idea. Simplifying ME2 worked because ME was a shitty RPG (you know its true)
cartman414
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truly101 said:
I don't get it. Were you just trolling the PC people with that post?
bishopcruz
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I love how people hate on DA2 for having only one character with a pre-determined race and back story who is voiced, action based gameplay, and lessened party tactics. Bioware also committed the unforgivable sin of planning the game for consoles as well as PCs even though the game is still leading on the PC
Thankfully there is the Witcher 2 , a game with a main character who has a pre-determined backstory and is voiced, action based gameplay, and no party to speak of. CD Projekt has also said they were planning the game out for consoles from day 1 and the entire game can be played on a gamepad as that's how they want it.
Um, so why the love for one and the hate for the other? Witcher 2 looks gorgeous, and if it can solve some of the pacing problems and janky combat of its predecessor it might end up being one of the best RPGs of this gen. But it seems silly that so many people who bitch about the so called Mass Effecting of Dragon Age 2 flock to the Witcher as if it is the bastion of the gameplay that DA1 had. That cannot be further from the truth. Witcher 2 looks to be more "Dragon Effect" than DA2 could ever hope to be, just by virtue of being a far more action based offering.
Not to mention all the complains about lack of choice in one's character ring hollow when I see the same people flocking to Witcher 2 as their salvation. You play as Geralt of Riva in that game, a mutant with white hair, a predefined personality, and no options to customize class or appearance. Hawke can be male or female, and look however you want him to.
So really what gives?
Thankfully there is the Witcher 2 , a game with a main character who has a pre-determined backstory and is voiced, action based gameplay, and no party to speak of. CD Projekt has also said they were planning the game out for consoles from day 1 and the entire game can be played on a gamepad as that's how they want it.
Um, so why the love for one and the hate for the other? Witcher 2 looks gorgeous, and if it can solve some of the pacing problems and janky combat of its predecessor it might end up being one of the best RPGs of this gen. But it seems silly that so many people who bitch about the so called Mass Effecting of Dragon Age 2 flock to the Witcher as if it is the bastion of the gameplay that DA1 had. That cannot be further from the truth. Witcher 2 looks to be more "Dragon Effect" than DA2 could ever hope to be, just by virtue of being a far more action based offering.
Not to mention all the complains about lack of choice in one's character ring hollow when I see the same people flocking to Witcher 2 as their salvation. You play as Geralt of Riva in that game, a mutant with white hair, a predefined personality, and no options to customize class or appearance. Hawke can be male or female, and look however you want him to.
So really what gives?
lastplayed
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It would've been nice to carry over the character I had invested so many hours in. There was no option with The Witcher so there's no problem there.
Because Geralt is one of the most badass characters in all of fiction. Funny thing is the original Witcher was first designed with allowing the player to make their own character, but people just wanted to play Geralt anyway. Though that's how the series started. They're not doing a massive change and ignoring everything that was in the first game. They revamped the combat for Witcher II, but it was action based in the original anyway.
Yeah, the complaints are overblown. DA2 looks pretty close to the original in gameplay.
Yeah, the complaints are overblown. DA2 looks pretty close to the original in gameplay.
bishopcruz
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lastplayed said:
I can understand wanting to keep the Warden, but by the end of Awakening he/she was pretty much god tier anyway, going further up the power tree would have been pretty absurd, unless they pulled a metroid. I tend to like the idea that each game in the series will focus on a different character, a different part of the world, etc. Assuming it works out that way of course, we'll have to wait and see.
Aaron said:
Which was my point. Geralt IS awesome, no complaints there, (well one, he sounds like a pansy in the English dub.) But as you said DA2 doesn't seem nearly the abandoning of the first that people are making it out to be.
Zeliard said:
I'm not asking why Witcher is praised. I understand that and it is well deserved, it's the complaining about key points (whether accurate or not) about the direction of DA2, and then holding up Witcher 2 instead. On the points people are harping about, too much action, character customization, and party mechanics, Witcher 2 will go the 'wrong' way more than DA2 would at its theoretical worst.
As far as C&C goes, that's something we can only wait and see on. DA2 will be split up into acts much as Witcher and its sequel are, and the addition of time as a factor may very well allow for a much more reactive setting than ever before. Assuming that Bioware isn't blowing smoke up our collective asses. Either way, we cannot know that until the game ships, but it seems almost irrelevant to the direction that DA2 discussion seems to take more often than not. Choice and consequence, or lack thereof, rarely if ever seems to be harped on in DA2 discussions, it is more often than not: "Game ugly, it's Dragon Effect 2, lulz."
bishopcruz said:
Because the Witcher has always been an action-RPG game.
Many view DA2 direction as either a sharp lateral move or a regression (based on who you ask).
Personally, I just want a non-shitty game, so I do not care about the minor stuff. Unfortunately, a lot of my issues thus far are far from minor.
I wanted to love The Witcher, but even fully patched, I'd check my map eventually, everything would be black and I couldn't even save without crashing. That gets old.
If I could actually get through Witcher without having to drop out of the immersion to save every few minutes I'd probably be looking forward to Witcher 2 more than DA2 and have both pre-ordered.
If I could actually get through Witcher without having to drop out of the immersion to save every few minutes I'd probably be looking forward to Witcher 2 more than DA2 and have both pre-ordered.
Fimbulvetr
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Jerk 2.0 said:
I'm less concerned with it becoming an ARPG and more concerned that it looks like it would make a pretty clunky ARPG.
"If you move out of the way you dodge attacks!"*gets hit anyway*
"If you move behind this pillar the boss' special attack won't hit you."*thanks to shitty pathfinding your last partymember takes the full brunt of the attack anyway*
I mean, the Rogue's evade skill has a 5-8 sec recovery time and I don't think warriors can even block with their shields.
Plus there's, like, no flinching. 6 foot sword to the face, twitch a bit.
That's why I'm hoping this is just a faster version(but actually balanced this time) of DA1.
bishopcruz
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kai3345 said:
Everything? Because the gameplay videos, the comments by developers the demo that has been shown on Youtube, it all points to the fact that it is the DA1 combat sped up, and not even sped up all that much, the main difference is new animations and closing attacks. Looking at the demo, combat doesn't seem to be THAT much faster, damage output wise, it looks to be about the same. You just don't have warriors and rogues slowly ambling across the screen.
Hell my only complaint is that friendly fire is off on everything but Nightmare. On the other hand the new version of friendly fire is absolutely brutal, it's not just spells that can hit party members, but big arcing attacks from two handed swords and the like. Could definitely make the nightmare play through interesting.
cartman414 said:
It's only depressing for the hardcore rpg fans which mean not that many people.
Honestly,most developers realize that top tier doesn't mean much outside of personal satisfaction.Mostly good if you are truly a perfectionist like I am and most of the best in their profession are,but irrelevant for most as they would rather have more money/power.Most hardcore fighting fans consider Street fighter IV to be a crap/mediocre game at best,but it's also the best reviewed and most popular since SFII.Truth be told,it's not all that great.If you put yourself in Capcom shoes however,why would you really care? Game made money,revived the FG scene in the west,especially in NA.
It sound arrogant,but I have noticed that true perfectionist are few and far between.
The kind of perfectionism that cannot be fulfilled with money or praise or any award whatsoever.It is obvious that most mainstream developer don't feel they need to push things to the limit once they make it big.It's not surprising if most hardcore crpg are excited for The Witcher 2 and most hardcore jrpg are only waiting for Dark souls,supporting smaller indy developers who are trying to make it big and separate themselves from the rest as they are forced to do so (and most hardcore fighting game fans are praising Arcana heart 3 and Virtual fighter 5 which aren't popular among mainstream/casual fans in the west at all) .
cartman414
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kitzkozan said:It's only depressing for the hardcore rpg fans which mean not that many people.
Honestly,most developers realize that top tier doesn't mean much outside of personal satisfaction.Mostly good if you are truly a perfectionist like I am and most of the best in their profession are,but irrelevant for most as they would rather have more money/power.Most hardcore fighting fans consider Street fighter IV to be a crap/mediocre game at best,but it's also the best reviewed and most popular since SFII.Truth be told,it's not all that great.If you put yourself in Capcom shoes however,why would you really care? Game made money,revived the FG scene in the west,especially in NA.
It sound arrogant,but I have noticed that true perfectionist are few and far between.
It's not surprising if most hardcore crpg are excited for The Witcher 2 and most hardcore jrpg are only waiting for Dark souls,supporting smaller indy developers who are trying to make it big and separate themselves from the rest as they are forced to do so (and most hardcore fighting game fans are praising Arcana heart 3 and Virtual fighter 5 which aren't popular among mainstream/casual fans in the west at all) .
What's ironic is that Baldur's Gate II was still a megahit that sold nearly as many copies as DA1 despite being a PC-only game. The problem here is that Bioware/EA/their shareholders want DA2 to hit 10 million.
And that a game's quality is compromised for quantity (of sales) is depressing, not just for hardcore PC gamers, but also anyone with a passion for gaming, period. Is that not part of the issue of the casualization of the industry?