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Forza 4 has 500 cars, "10x better looks" and Jeremy Clarkson
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The single player portion for GT is stale and needs to change. Theres actually a lot of design decisions that I still question; but I think they have a great foundation set for future GT titlesKingDizzi said:PD will never wake up, they are in a little bubble and are happy with it. GT5 is a very mediocre game that has been made slightly better with patches but A-Spec and B are simply horrible. It's sold 6 million copies though, it's VERY hard to say those sales are due to name because it's been out for months now and it's not like the price has dropped at all. So yeah, the problem here is that PD will not see the old formula being a problem until sales take a dive, until then it looks like the people playing GT are happy with the same old shit. It needs to change but Forza sure the fuck ain't gonna be what makes that happen, PD need to see for themselves that it's been over 10 years now. NGP will have a GT game for sure, hers's to hoping that is when we start seeing the much needed changes.
As to Forza 4, bring it on Turn 10. Jeremy Clarkson being in the game is bleh, usless old fart that has done the same old shit for years. Drives expensive cars and for the last minute bitches about them. Hilarious.Fuck yes I'm jealous of his job.
Forza still seems to be sitting in GT's shadow and this Top Gear stuff is proof of that. Hopefully they've added weather and allow more than 8 cars on the track at once too. Those are things worth getting hyped for imo.
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Crysis 2 360 restored faith in who believes that Xbox 360 is really very powerful and it has more power left untouched yet. Forza 4 could look '10x better'.
saladine1 said:
The 458 didn't have anything special and looked like a slightly improved Forza 3 model (more details in brakes and engine, focuses of the zooming) with much better shaders slapped into a Kinect demo. I think the Ford GT footage was much more impressive as it implied being able to open the doors, hood and boot of cars to see everything of the interior and the engine.
Again, maybe the 458 model that we saw in the Kinect demo was already done when they released the car as DLC for Forza 3. Maybe they couldn't put this LOD in Forza 3 due to technical limitations of the engine.
What surprised me the most in the Kinect demo of the 458 was the amount of tearing, especially considering that you can get the highest LOD of cars to show at 60 fps with no tearing and (4x ?)AA in Forza 3 (when you select a car in the career, choose "take a photo").
Didn't they said to have built a new graphics engine from scratch on E3? But yeah, it is T10 so we'll have to see it for ourselfs first.amar212 said:
I think the new lighting and shaders make it look more real life like GT5 instead of adding a ton more poly's or higher res. textures.
Wazzim said:
Yeah, the same way they "built from the ground up" Forza Motorsport 3, oh wait...
Those claims mean nothing if you reuse assets from previous games. The good news is that we seem to be getting totally revamped real tracks.
Beside, if you look at it, the Forza 3 engine is very good with 720p, 60fps, 2xAA and absolutely no tearing during races. What is (very) bad is the actual look of the game, not the engine. If Turn 10 bring day/night transition and/or weather in Forza 4, a considerable rewrite of the engine would be needed though, that's for sure.
Edit : @saladine1 : No, no, when I'm talking about the 458, I'm talking about the real 458 shown in the working demo, not the raytraced one. There's no way we're getting that, even in photomode.
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If it looks 10X better than Forza 3, I will buy 10 copies.
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G Rom said:
Actually, the cutscenes detailing selected parts of the car looked way beyond anything in FM3, and they were also rendered in real-time, but they still didn't look quite as good as those ray traced screens.
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The only problem here being that Polyphony's reuse of GT4 assets was a lot more egregious than T10's reuse of FM2 assets.Trickster said:
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I'm frankly amazed that Polyphony got away with it. If StarCraft 2 had launched with most of the units in the game still being SC1 sprites I'd have marched on Blizzard with pitchforks. But I digress.Trickster said:
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Hmm...would rather have the smooth vocal stylings of James May.
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Iron_Scimitar said:
That would be great.
And Polyphony can hire the Stig as their community manager.
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Day 1, 10x better graphics or not!
I really don't know the actual breakdown of asset-creation or anything, but through the time we have learned the following:
- Vietnamese company Glass Egg Digital Media designed "most of the 330 different models in Forza Motorsport 2" and continued their work on FM3. In their portfolio they note work on all 3 Forza games.
Notice GlassEgg also delivered assets for The Club, Gotham, Battlefield 2, Sega Rally (cars), all assets for Infogrames's Dreamcast > PS2 conversions) etc.
- Indian company Dhruva Interactive officialy says they've built more than 60% of overall assets for cars in Forza 3.
http://www.dhruva.com/newsite/index.html
Dhurva also worked on F1 2010 where they "created four complete tracks for the game; Singapore, Monaco, Valencia and Abu Dhabi. The race environments were challenging as they needed a large amount of visual data to be present in the viewport, we had to employ a fairly complex setup to manage this.
http://www.dhruva.com/F12010/
Their racing-portfolio consists of Dirt 2, NFS: Undercover, GRID, etc.
- Austrian Rabcat worked exclusively on preparing car-assets for FM3 (18 exteriors, 9 interiors)
Detailed list of cars and their work (including very interesting information that 14 people spent 25 man-months on that task):
http://www.rabcat.com/Rabcat_Printportfolio2010.pdf (page 11)
And last but not least, all illustrations inside game were outsourced to US Kaarbo Design.
www.kaarbodesign.com
In conclusion, Turn 10 have very efficiently outsourced vast majority of actual modeling/design to other companies. Amount of data they have collected/prepared will determine outcome of car/track in FM4.
What we know for sure is that Turn10 expanded their internal-external stuff to more than 300 with FM3:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4144/racing_evolution_forza_3_and_the_.php
- Vietnamese company Glass Egg Digital Media designed "most of the 330 different models in Forza Motorsport 2" and continued their work on FM3. In their portfolio they note work on all 3 Forza games.
http://www.glassegg.com/main.php
Notice GlassEgg also delivered assets for The Club, Gotham, Battlefield 2, Sega Rally (cars), all assets for Infogrames's Dreamcast > PS2 conversions) etc.
- Indian company Dhruva Interactive officialy says they've built more than 60% of overall assets for cars in Forza 3.
http://www.dhruva.com/newsite/index.html
Dhurva also worked on F1 2010 where they "created four complete tracks for the game; Singapore, Monaco, Valencia and Abu Dhabi. The race environments were challenging as they needed a large amount of visual data to be present in the viewport, we had to employ a fairly complex setup to manage this.
http://www.dhruva.com/F12010/
Their racing-portfolio consists of Dirt 2, NFS: Undercover, GRID, etc.
- Austrian Rabcat worked exclusively on preparing car-assets for FM3 (18 exteriors, 9 interiors)
Detailed list of cars and their work (including very interesting information that 14 people spent 25 man-months on that task):
http://www.rabcat.com/Rabcat_Printportfolio2010.pdf (page 11)
And last but not least, all illustrations inside game were outsourced to US Kaarbo Design.
www.kaarbodesign.com
In conclusion, Turn 10 have very efficiently outsourced vast majority of actual modeling/design to other companies. Amount of data they have collected/prepared will determine outcome of car/track in FM4.
What we know for sure is that Turn10 expanded their internal-external stuff to more than 300 with FM3:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4144/racing_evolution_forza_3_and_the_.php
I can't wait to get my hands on this game at E3 (hopefully). The Forza setups on hydraulics at E3 is probably one of the best and most fun kiosks to try out in either hall. I remember playing F3 for the first time after waiting in a 2 hour line.
Only thing that pissed me off was the Lakers players cut in line like 3 people in front of us. This year I shall sweep the leg if that happens again.
Only thing that pissed me off was the Lakers players cut in line like 3 people in front of us. This year I shall sweep the leg if that happens again.
I'm a Laker fan, however no cuts no butts no coconuts. SWEEP THE LEG
Not believing anything until I play it. 10x better looking probably means only in photomode, just like how the cars in F3 were PR'd to have 10x the polygons, but only to be swapped in during photomode.
Here's the bullshot kinect image versus the actual demo.
demo
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Not even the same ground textures
Yeah, that was his excuse for not including it. I laughed when I read that interview.
Here's the bullshot kinect image versus the actual demo.
demo
cg
Not even the same ground textures
Gek54 said:
Yeah, that was his excuse for not including it. I laughed when I read that interview.
Majanew said:
this x 100. i'll use the same 5-10 cars i always use =)
personally, i don't care all that much for weather - i'd prefer to race in the better conditions. i would like various times of day to race in though for some visual variety.
benzy said:Not believing anything until I play it. 10x better looking probably means only in photomode, just like how the cars in F3 were PR'd to have 10x the polygons, but only to be swapped in during photomode.
Here's the bullshot kinect image versus the actual demo.
demo
cg
Not even the same ground textures
Yeah, that was his excuse for not including it. I laughed when I read that interview.
well, one is taken from a compressed to hell video and the other is an obvious higher res then normal "bullshot". that said, there are differences, but even the compressed video real time screen looks GREAT so i'm not going to complain
I hadn't been a racing fan since the N64 arcade racer days. I picked up Forza 3 and GT5 on a whim and really loved them. I'm still casual but I love the sim aspects.
Forza comes out on top for me because of the streamlined interface and all of the design options. Also, its got more consistency in its visual style. And that soundtrack.
My point is Turn 10 made a racing fan out of me. I'll check out 4 for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwczoeXEtdo
Forza comes out on top for me because of the streamlined interface and all of the design options. Also, its got more consistency in its visual style. And that soundtrack.
My point is Turn 10 made a racing fan out of me. I'll check out 4 for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwczoeXEtdo
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Are we discussing obvious PR excuses now? Back in the Forza 2 days he also said that he would rather do something else since weather has already been done in PGR4. Does anyone really believe that has any bearing on their plans for Forza 4?
They should import every track from every racing game MGS has ever produced. Including those futuristic and boat racers. Forza Watersport, baby!
op_ivy said:
They should import every track from every racing game MGS has ever produced. Including those futuristic and boat racers. Forza Watersport, baby!
Well done good sir!op_ivy said:
I know people say that FM should concentrate on being an all out circuit racer, but damn it would be epic if rally is indeed included. There's no racing discipline in the world that requires you to have balls of steel like rally does.
Anyway, rally or not, a rally inspired stretch of road is always welcome...
TheOddOne said:
You can like this type of PR if you want. I don't. From anyone.
I do respect the Forza series however, I don't see who my comment can affect anybody except someone feeling threatened (and for the wrong reasons obviously). There's nothing usual or wierd about my reasoning, I don't like stupid sales pitch --- and not only in videogames, it's in everthing. I would like to live in a world where there's less smoke and mirrors, more real talk.
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