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Skyward Sword review thread [Newest Reviews - Cubed3 10/10, GC: A, AusGamers: 7/10]
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Diprosalic
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Smellycat said:
i think it's save to say that SS will not be the highest scoring game ever and probably not even the highest scoring game this year.
preorder canceled
Refreshment.01
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Alextended said:
You probably know it, but it's was sort of gag on my part regarding the state of the PC side of gaming when some times the pirates get a better experience than the legit buyers.Crunched said:
Maybe not in GAF case, but the majority of the people using the Dolphin emulator use "illegally" riped games. Now, you probably would say "where's your source refreshment?" Which i would just reply... it's just human nature. The very use of the emulation incentivates the person to try lots of games he might not have the chance to access other wise.
This reply is inconsistent in many levels DaBuddaDa. A list:DaBuddaDa said:
1. Zelda does mimic movies to advance the plot because it relies on non interactive cinematics or ones that take away the player control.
2. Not having dialog doesn't elude the status of movie. At some time they were silent movies with no sound at all. Still to this days those are considered movies.
3. And yet again repeating, there are other games that use the pseudo/ invented language perfectly for the history sequences. Nintendo even has used something similar through the series with an increasing use of gibberish.
Let's hope the failure of understanding is vanquished now.
Ico did this thing well in 2001. Nintendo could pull it of as well.beelzebozo said:
As i have stated in a million other posts already. It something that works for the Zelda game and could be amplified with no problems.walking fiend said:
And? First there's not much character development in Zelda games compared to other games or genres most focused in plot. Yet, the fact still remains that having a voice over won't affect negatively any character development, more over imagining how a character would sound doesn't affect his development through the narrative.walking fiend said:
It's small because it doesn't change what im saying. In ICO every intervention of the main antagonist is voiced.walking fiend said:
This reply doesn't change the fact that most characters are stereotypes in Zelda games. Anyway, the argument above that it would hurt the series doesn't make any sense to me. Like you said, many of the returning characters are supposed to be different people from different time periods, this same characters accommodate new traits that are conveyed with the dialog. The same would apply with voice acting.walking fiend said:
Or do you think Nintendo hurt the series when Tetra has different traits than the one in a Link to the past?
That's not the case, plot related cut scenes are voiced in both ICO and Shadow through the course of the game.walking fiend said:
Why bring Mario into the discussion, the series focus is so far away from story development as you could get.
walking fiend
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SotC has less than 1 minute of VA at the beginning and the ending of the game; that's about it, that's all the VA in the game.
What do you mean by being amplified? It's already in the game as much as designers feel will suite the game.
Zelda games don't have character development and VA can't effect character development? ah, ok...
Just because ICO has VA every other game should as well? What kind of logic is this?
And you are implying whether Zelda, Ganondorf, Link, Ghirahim, etc, speak won't change a fact and is small detail? So what are you arguing for or against anyway? You want Zelda to have spoken intro and outro without any character in the middle of the game speaking? OK, that's not really something which I am inherently against as long as it is done good. And anyway, SotC is sotC and Zelda is Zelda... but it's not as if any post 2000 game has to have VA to be amazing.
flintstryker
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Could you recommend me some more Mediocre games in the vein of twilight princess?Jax said:
Refreshment.01
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Every time you return to the temple after downing a colossus theres a cut scene with the god like entity that compels the protagonist to push on forward. Plus i'll say it again, in ICO every cutscene is voiced through out the game. And there are many other games that handle the VA like ICO and Shadow of the Colossus, there's no point for you to counter my arguments because they don't function 100% like im saying. Im just mentioning those 2 as an example because they are the ones more fresh in my memory. Other games employ invented language fully through out the plot.walking fiend said:
Obvious, is as much as the designers wanted to employ, why bring that up? Anyway by amplified im referring to extend this type of VA to the other characters.walking fiend said:
No need to cause misunderstandings or confusion. I didn't say that at all in that post, i said Zelda games tend to have less character development than other genres where plot its more at the forefront of the experience. It was a very clear post.walking fiend said:
You are making some asumptions.walking fiend said:
I just suggested the ICO example because its a very clever way to handle dialog in a Zelda game and avoids some of the issues some posters have expressed against VA. It's even a way that has been employed by Nintendo, although sparingly, so far.
Diprosalic
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Kazerei said:
i already have nukes pointed at the HQ of every major site/magazine. there will be blood.
IceDoesntHelp
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Diprosalic said:
Imp the Dimp
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Somebody shut down Metacritic for god's sake. I didn't even realize somebody could find joy in repeatedly tapping F5 to see a score change until I read the infamous Uncharted 3 thread. Ludicrous.
gamergirly
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Sinthetic said:
Once you go voice, you can never go back
walking fiend
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Do you know what you brought up ICO and SotC yourself then? They are really not Zelda like games (unlike, say, Okami). I don't get what you mean anyway, unless that you may actually make game that 95% of the character/length of the game lacks VA, and the rest of 5% does. And then I wonder how you want this to translate to Zelda? Unlike SotC, Zelda doesn't have a god like creature that bosses you around so you give only voice to him/her. However, a side-kick like Midna is always with you and she has VA.Refreshment.01 said:
(btw, I had forgotten about those between colossus cut-scenes, but that's just only one character - and very brief still)
Unless no-one plays the game; I won't be surprised to have voice-less Samus back at all, tbh lol
Lord_Byron28
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BY2K said:
I know there's a map for each individual area but not having a map for the sky would be pretty weird. I also thought we have seen pics of sky overworld map. So I'm confused.
RPGCrazied
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I know about the item ring. But will this game have a menu? Like to show quest info, heart containers found and stuff. TP even had mail you could read from the NPC's.
I have yet to see any screen of that.
I have yet to see any screen of that.
Refreshment.01
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The debate about how different gameplay mechanics are between ICO/Shadow/Zelda its another matter altogether. However the treatment of the cinematics and the way they are used to advance the plot is quiet similar on these games, to the point they both use the text to let the player know exactly what's going on. Yet having an artistic language makes it a lot cooler in many people's opinions.walking fiend said:
I think they refer to the environment itself, not the cartographic chart. In the sense that the sky is too sparse or empty, like the sea in Wind Waker.Lord_Byron28 said:
Okay, there is both a world map and a sky map.
The map screen for the sky is shown in last month's trailer 41 seconds in.
http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/30662/zelda-skyward-sword-video-shows-map/
Here's a screen shot of it.
http://www.zeldainformer.com/images/news/Sky_SS_map.jpg
This appears to be an image of a mini map zoomed in for an individual area. However, this version is from E3 2010 demo so it may have changed a bit.
http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&q=skyward+sword+map#/d36lg5f
The map screen for the sky is shown in last month's trailer 41 seconds in.
http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/30662/zelda-skyward-sword-video-shows-map/
Here's a screen shot of it.
http://www.zeldainformer.com/images/news/Sky_SS_map.jpg
This appears to be an image of a mini map zoomed in for an individual area. However, this version is from E3 2010 demo so it may have changed a bit.
http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&q=skyward+sword+map#/d36lg5f
Gillian Seed
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I just Want Wind Waker in Widescreen HD with bonus dungeons and normal controls! Is it to much to ask for?
Pseudo_Sam
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Ifrit said:
This obsession Zelda fans have with wanting "more difficulty" is enraging. WTF would you want to die a hundred times for? How is that not just incredibly frustrating? Whenever I die repeatedly in a game I shelve it.
I play a Zelda game to explore and have fun. Different strokes I guess.
Omegasquash
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Pseudo_Sam said:
Well if you want it tougher, just don't grab heart containers or carry fairies around. Or play the second quest.
Gillian Seed
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Bit-Bit said:
LMAO You sir have no clue. And Zelda games are not supposed to be difficult. They are about the exploration and Fun Factor.
Pseudo_Sam said:
Whenever I die I get frustrated. And I try again. and again. and again.
eventually, I beat it.
and feel like a GOD
Hard parts in games are memorable, and beating said parts are rewarding. When a game has no challenge, and you don't feel any sense of accomplishment, the game is FORGETTABLE.
Twilight Princess says hi
Pseudo_Sam said:
Well I have fun conquering challenging battles.
I don't want it to be incredibly hard like Ninja Gaiden (even though I personally enjoy those games), but I at least want to feel some danger when an imposing enemy or boss appears, I basically don't want it to be piss easy like WW already is, but hey different strokes I guess.
That doesn't mean they couldn't at least add a difficulty option
Refreshment.01
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Nintendo should accommodate the player that wants a higher difficulty level via an ingame option. It's something that wouldn't take a significant development time. Just make some adjustments to damage dealt and received by enemies, quicker reactions and some extra cycles to take the bosses down. Some of the people that played the series for years feel that a good compromise for the difficulty should be around Link to the past level.Pseudo_Sam said:
K
kittens
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Got my Wii in the mail yesterday. One step closer to Skyward Sword.
Someone put Link's cap on the kid's head.
Regulus Tera
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Buy Sin and Punishment 2. Actually there's a ton of games you have to catch up with.omg.kittens said:Got my Wii in the mail yesterday. One step closer to Skyward Sword.
Someone put Link's cap on the kid's head.
Ghost_Protocol
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Is the Zelda issue of edge available to purchase in the United States now?
Zelda (NES) was my first title and i've played everything chronologically since then, and as such no Zelda has been that hard since the first couple (barring a few annoying dungeons like the sky level in TP) as the formula, bosses, puzzles etc have all remained mostly the same, but that is not a bad thing as I play the game for the experience of a new Zelda.
However, SS excites me a lot as it seems to have shaken things up a lot in terms of exploration, puzzle design etc, and I really cannot wait to get stuck in and stumped byy a new type of puzzle!
However, SS excites me a lot as it seems to have shaken things up a lot in terms of exploration, puzzle design etc, and I really cannot wait to get stuck in and stumped byy a new type of puzzle!
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