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US Town Hall Debate |OT| When is the election? What are the names of the candidates?
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NullPointer
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Yes. Its one thing to say that you can't reach them for your vote.
Its an entirely different universe to then say those 47% are victims, entitled, and cannot be convinced to take personal responsibility for their lives.
His words, nobody else's. No spin. The entire tape is available.
This election should have been over the day these words rang out. Its been a shameful farce every day since.
la flama blanca
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Anywhere I can watch a replay of this debate?
MeBecomingI
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Yay!
thats ok, but please don't claim to be unbiased, at the very least. I do not mind you wanting to be called independent. it's a hard time for any moderate republicans to be..well republicans
Bam Bam Baklava
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At least Republicans support their guy no matter what. Democrats threw Obama under the bus.
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I don't think any rational person is going to disagree with you...
...the problem is that Mitt tried to pin him on the "act of terror" phrase specifically and the President did say that phrase.
Regardless of the larger message being pushed during the time, Mitt didn't hit it during the debate. He lost the one topic that should have been an easy win. Tactical error.
where is this from?
GregLombardi
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For these polls are independent voters equivalent to uncommitted voters? Or is that totally wrong?
So you'd rather he just write them off with no explanation? Or lying? When did he say they were leeches? What do you call them? He said they believe they are entitled. Why? There's a lot of things I'd like too be entitled to, but I'm not.
Meus Renaissance
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On the subject of whether Obama acknowledged it was an act of terrorism, and the moderator attempting to fact check it, I do feel there is context missing from her statement. Although Obama described the act as "terror", he did side step it when asked directly in the following days of the attack, so from that perspective its understandable why Republicans wanted to call him out on it, and why Romney was under the impression that he had not declared it an act of terror the day after. So I can understand why the Governor was caught off guard and confused. Had he pressed him further on why e.g. he did not confirm that it was terrorism when directly asked on The View, Obama would have been put on the spot.
Fair enough, Romney should have stuck to that line and not tried to play gotcha on three words Obama might or might not have said the day after the attack.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Happy Endings. Sitcom on... I wanna say ABC.
Happy Endings.
smokeandmirrors
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ESPECIALLY when he says that they "Feel entitled to food"..
Like who the fuck needs to eat anyway. That's an activity reserved for the rich.
Souldriver
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Whatever, it might be bad for polls and perception, but I'd rather have it this way. At least democratic leaning people are realistic. Conservatives are really living in their own bubble, and reveling in cognitive dissonance.
metalslimer
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God damn the Libya exchange was the moment this debate was over. Romney screwed up hard on one of his biggest plays against Obama.
Who gives a shit about this Libya semantics thing. Obama is right, the GOP trying to politicise this thing is insensitive and wrong. Especially when they wanted to push a budget that would further cut security at the site. Seriously we need to move past this thing. Far more serious issues on the table.
ElectricBlue187
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He was caught off guard because he's been drinking his own kool aid instead of verifying his criticisms before making them
which is exactly what got him in trouble the LAST TIME
The Technomancer
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He said that they believe they are entitled to food and shelter and that they won't take responsibility for their lives.
NullPointer
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He said literally that they could never be convinced to take personal responsibility for their lives.
He said that they all saw themselves as victims.
Entitled to healthcare, food, whatever.
Those were his words, in context. Watch for yourself.
The sociopath that actually believes in society won, if thats how you want to see it. Seeing as how up is down and everything.
She did add the context though, with her also confirming the whole 14 (? I forget how many it was) days thing literally right after she made that remark. Romney was just completely flustered and fucked up the one sure bet he had.
Big Papa Husker
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Do you have a link?
speculawyer
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And that is after the Fox people had time to look up the transcript.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...marks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya
"Fair & Balanced"
Well, there's no accounting for taste.
Devolution
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How would you interpret his statement as anything but shitting on people?
Maybe a fair point outside of this forum, but holy shit, don't say this on GAF.
So people who work in the public sector aren't considered having a job?
Supporting people no matter what is asinine anyway. If someone is wrong they shouldn't be supported. It's incredible to me that you'd stand behind someone that doesn't stand up for certain types of people.
Baconsammy
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Truly an unbiased crowd. Truth.
I'm pretty sure he is talking about Democrats who aren't going to vote for him because they have a clear inclination to either see the President in the best possible light or him in the worst possible light. Again, I admit that he didn't phrase it the best way, but it's pretty clear that was the message he was getting at.
Red Blaster
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Half and half
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Dude, he said somehing like these are people who won't take responsibility for themselves.
I'm guessing a world wide poll would have a similar percentage. Unfortunately much of the population of America is not that rationale. The country overall leans far too right.
ROMNEY IS FISTFUL!
RustyNails
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It's important, because the cooked up Libya question from Romney was supposed to be his ace in the hole, and it just blew up spectacularly.
ErasureAcer
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Think Obama agreed in his final statement but Government does create jobs. Who funds schools? Government! What does an education give you the ability to do? Work!
ElectricBlue187
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this was the part that I felt was the strongest moment of the debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HniflMGi6AA#t=394s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HniflMGi6AA#t=394s
There will be another chance 10/22
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