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Bush Signs Torture Law
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bob_arctor
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Cooter said:
Bush said:
Cooter said:
monchi-kun
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Dragona Akehi said:
because debate is a good thing, maybe his views have changed after being quoted several times
Dragona Akehi
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White Man said:
We had that? News to me.
Dragona Akehi
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Ichirou_Oogami said:Well, Dragona...like Captain Planet says - the power is YOURS.
Do it. Ban him. You know you want to.
I try and avoid political threads. Otherwise I think Mandark would have no one to play with.
monchi-kun
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We Are The World 2 - of epic proportions!
Dragona Akehi
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BSTF said:
I have another question: why isn't this guy banned? Can we please get a political mod in here?
bob_arctor
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We can't ban him. He didn't do anything but be ignorant. I would actually love to have Cooter come out and explain in full why he supports this "law"--the suspension of Habeaus Corpus, kangaroo courts, torture, the power it gives the Executive, etc.
So you, like Kasti, are willing to give up your morals and do something you know to be wrong for an added bit of security, knowing that it will be easier for you to do worse things in the future?BSTF said:
Many experts believe that torture only gives you bad data. Also you're incredibly stupid if you think that they would do nothing, but there are other ways to get info than beating it out.
Also, don't ban Cooter. I'd like to see his justificiation.
thetrin
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Ichirou_Oogami said:But to escape you had to leave behind your family. What will become of them?
Actually, they might be the lucky ones...we're gonna get nuked by NK. :/
Damnation, you're right!
JoshuaJSlone
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Not getting into whether it will actually make us safer, I disagree with this statement. Just because something makes a group safer doesn't mean they should do it. America might be safer if they could make a few countries disappear, but it would be mass murder.BSTF said:
He signed a bill giving himself discretion.Cooter said:
WrathOfOtaibah
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The only thing that gets me is the physical torture. I'm against the stuff like waterboarding or anything that inflicts pain. There is no proof that torturing works. Just ask the POWs of the Vietnam War. They all said false information to get the Viet Cong off of their backs for a while. What makes you think these douchebags won't either?
I don't give a shit about the stuff like piling up the soldiers naked or a female soldier laughing at their genitalia.
I don't give a shit about the stuff like piling up the soldiers naked or a female soldier laughing at their genitalia.
bob_arctor
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BSTF said:
So you admit that we torture and you are fine with that? Good. At least you are honest, unlike Cooter who is too much a pussy to say he likes that we torture by claiming it isn't even torture. Of course, you are completely wrong, but nice to see you embrace it.
Dragona Akehi
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White Man said:
I'll make sure it gets pushed through the GAF Senate. I've already allocated you a substantial sum in the black budget.
NO REALLY? According to experts on the matter -- which you may be one of, I don't know -- that's all it's guaranteed to do.BSTF said:
Not to mention it basically tells the rest of the world that "Torture is okay". I'm sure that's a comforting thought to our soldiers. What part of "Support our troops" does this fit into now?
bob_arctor said:
Well I don't think it's a question of if we torture or not. I would consider being held captive torture, I don't believe that we should beat up people to get information out of people, but I have no problem with something like light sleep depravation if it helps makes the US safer.
I actually think this law makes it better because it brings more awareness to the situation. Hopefully this is a step in the right direction for the US to be more open about their practices.
demon said:
According to experts on the matter torture does work. See you can have experts on both sides.
So basically you're saying if this bill wouldn't have been signed people like Nick Berg wouldn't have got beheaded?
EDIT: I'm just going to stop posting. Some people can't handle people having different views then them. Just know that your way of thinking isn't always right.
EDIT2: I'm not white.
Dragona Akehi
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BSTF said:
This has got to be a joke account.
bob_arctor
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BSTF said:
Please do yourself a favor and actually read what this law does. I'll give you just one example of how Bushco. is completely full of shit:
KSK. Brought to justice. *applause*
KSK. Could have been brought to justice a long time ago if not for secret prisons and torture. *crickets*
Kung Fu Jedi
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Dragona Akehi said:
Dragona Akehi said:
What do you want to ban these guys for? Disagreeing with you?
You may not like what they say, but they haven't done anything worth banning them over. Their expressing their opinions in this thread like anyone else. It just so happens that their opinions run counter to your own.
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
I don't care if someone doesn't disagree with me. However, I tend to have a problem when they're disagreeing with basic human rights. The mind boggles, and all that.
BSTF said:
WTF? Is this a serious post. Considering what you're proposing is a violation of the Geneva convention, I think you should rethink it.
Eliminating certain freedoms of individuals is one thing, but to torture? No man, that's not cool, I don't care what side you're one.
bob_arctor
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
I play games. And I agree with you. Curioser and curioser...
This pretty much sums up my feelings. Humiliate or play with their minds all you want but don't sadistically hurt people for information. If the Tlaiban captured me and the worst they did was undress me and laugh at me and keep me up for nights I would consider myself fortunate.
I've been on GAF for 8 years and I'm seriously shocked at the requests for me being banned. Didn't see that coming.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Dragona Akehi said:
Maybe so, but is that a bannable offence on GAF? There are plenty of other idiots in the OT that have highly questionable moral standings on any number of issues.
Son of Godzilla
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
Is covering your ears and screaming at the top of your lungs really voicing an opinion?
bob_arctor
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White Man said:
Oh man, who's that right-wing harpie not named Ann Coulter who used 24 as evidence that America is fine with torture? Forget her name.
Dragona Akehi
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
I realise you're playing devil's advocate here, but can you really stomach this?
you should dabble in more political threads. this is NeoCon-Lite compared to most of the idiotic trolling that goes down.Dragona Akehi said:
Case in point-- find a Fight for Freeform (not a neocon but it works) thread, where he a) Defends terrorists, b) attacks conservatives, and c) Calls anyone who questions islamic cultures in the world a bigotted idiot.
Or find Kastrioti. These guys make people like Tox and Cooter seem fine.
And APF just has bad PR. Most shit he says really isn't bad or stupid.... he just busts his ass to make sure it looks that way so that liberals get mad.
These guys are small time compared to some of the real bastards that come to these threads.
itsinmyveins
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bob_arctor said:
Honestly, when I saw that, I couldn't believe my eyes nor my ears. I'm still, to this day, dumbstruck with the deep lack of braincells actually doing what they should in that womans brain. Or maybe it was amazement that people like that manage to tie their shoes and go to "work". So, I blame it all on velcro.
Dragona Akehi
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APF said:
Strong words. Care to explain why going against the geneva convention is a good thing?
Course I'm sure it all comes down to "SECURITY" when it really does no such thing.
As a conservative I think this is one of the most disgusting things I've heard in a long line of disgusting things. *sigh* Jack Bauer aside, torture doesn't work. What it does accomplish is lowering you to the level of all of the things this country is supposed to be against. I don't see how it makes any of us safer (well maybe it does protect those doing the actual torturing), it just makes us look bad. Living down to the reputation that we are gaining world wide isn't the way to make us safer.
I'm very very pro military, and if anything this is going to make things worse on our soldiers. Horrible things have already happened to people that have been abducted, but this is only going to make their captors feel more justified in their actions.
We can't wave the flag and proclaim ourselves the bastion of freedom and democracy when we employ tactics like this. At best it makes us hypocrites, at worst it makes us monsters.
I'm very very pro military, and if anything this is going to make things worse on our soldiers. Horrible things have already happened to people that have been abducted, but this is only going to make their captors feel more justified in their actions.
We can't wave the flag and proclaim ourselves the bastion of freedom and democracy when we employ tactics like this. At best it makes us hypocrites, at worst it makes us monsters.
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