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Will Sony use Oculus Rift for PS4?
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God I hope so. The CES demos bumped me from 'interested' to 'VR-believer'.
But if they don't, I guess you could still use the thing as a regular monitor. The only problem there is your either going to have to pan across the 16:10 rectangle using headtracking (like if you're really close to a big screen). I guess that could be done by the Oculus itself, without Sony having to implement any kind of special video-implementation that differs from normal screens. Because I don't really see that happening unless the Rift sells a gazillion units, all of which turn out to be PS4 owners. This will probably require the Rift to do some heavier processing though, which might result in a price hike.
OR you're going to be zoomed way out. Like if you're trying to fit a 16:10 screen inside a circle, since the human iris is round (no really). That would kind of defeat the purpose of a HMD, since you'd still have a lot of unsightly black spaces in your peripheral vision. So no immersion. Not sure if you would be able to read text either.
I'm guessing the first option is preferable, although I'm still a little sceptical about the neck muscle-situation. Maybe now is a good time to invest in a neckbrace company...
But if they don't, I guess you could still use the thing as a regular monitor. The only problem there is your either going to have to pan across the 16:10 rectangle using headtracking (like if you're really close to a big screen). I guess that could be done by the Oculus itself, without Sony having to implement any kind of special video-implementation that differs from normal screens. Because I don't really see that happening unless the Rift sells a gazillion units, all of which turn out to be PS4 owners. This will probably require the Rift to do some heavier processing though, which might result in a price hike.
OR you're going to be zoomed way out. Like if you're trying to fit a 16:10 screen inside a circle, since the human iris is round (no really). That would kind of defeat the purpose of a HMD, since you'd still have a lot of unsightly black spaces in your peripheral vision. So no immersion. Not sure if you would be able to read text either.
I'm guessing the first option is preferable, although I'm still a little sceptical about the neck muscle-situation. Maybe now is a good time to invest in a neckbrace company...
ElfArmy177
Member
Only if Nintendo does. But then they will make a cheap copy and brand it Sony.
Funny, I found the move controllers much more accurate than the Wii controllers ever were.
Not for pointing.
Betta Lines
Member
So that's why:
1) Sony pushed for 3D gaming with PS3 even though it involved awful resolution/quality drops.
2) Sony pushed out a half-assed motion controller to work with a really shitty camera.
3) Microsoft pushed out a half-assed tracking technology that barely works.
There are compromised products everywhere you look. VR goggles will be no different. I wouldn't be surprised if MS and Sony launch VR solutions midway through the new generation (that are significantly worse than the Oculus Rift of that year).
Not necessarily, if something came from Sony's gaming side then it would probably be branded and built to work with the PS4 at an OS level in some way, but Sony's 3D headset they have now works with the 360 and PS3 like a normal TV would.
The problem comes from something like the Oculus Rift, the way it creates the more immersive effect needs to be done on the games/OS side, if Sony or MS gaming side came out with their own or bought OculusR then any sort of cross-platform support would probably die off for not wanting to support the other.
shira
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Well a copy. I'm not sure how much they actually cost to manufacture.
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For VR in its full-form yes. But this is why some bring up the AR-VR, where you overlay your 3d on the real world, reducing the need for it to be as high-resolution and still provide a compelling immersion (I'm not talking camera-projection here, it would still need glasses to work).EVIL said:
Obviously that introduces its own set of problems to solve as well (in a mainstream product) but at least the hw requirements should be more accessible.
LyleLanley
Banned
I really hope each console doesn't come with their own headset.
Isn't the 360 more of a pain to get working with third party peripherals compared to PS3? eg can't use thrustmaster steering wheels etc. So input from the rift might be difficult.
Unlikely, it will be an extremely niche product so why would they bother ?
Will they make 3D games which may work with Occulus?, sure.
I'm not sure next gen games will be targeting 1080p anyway, especially if they want to look their best.
Will they make 3D games which may work with Occulus?, sure.
I'm not sure next gen games will be targeting 1080p anyway, especially if they want to look their best.
Chû Totoro
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Maybe but I don't really want it. It sounds awesome and I want to try it but i don't want this to be required for most of the games.
Thinking about the market shares this thing will have it clearly won't be a standard and they may don't even bother to include it. Maybe for the next next gen (lol).
Thinking about the market shares this thing will have it clearly won't be a standard and they may don't even bother to include it. Maybe for the next next gen (lol).
ScepticMatt
Member
Exactly. If Sony does VR, it will be their own solution.
I'm being optimistic, of course.
test_account
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What about the HMZ-T2, and how is this different from other similar products?
Maybe as an optional purchase like the Playstation 3D TV. I think doing the tech right is still too expensive for right now.
It would be interesting though, Sony going with that, Microsoft going with the Illumiroom projection, and the Wii U tablet thingy, all three would be stepping outside the HDTV relm.
It would be interesting though, Sony going with that, Microsoft going with the Illumiroom projection, and the Wii U tablet thingy, all three would be stepping outside the HDTV relm.
T2 is basically T1.5, minor tweaks.
but its a movie viewer, not a VR device, so although head mounted, its not directly comparable
I H8 Memes
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HMZ, Augmented Reality, Illumiroom, WiiU tablet, none of that compares in any way to the Oculus Rift. And I dont mean from a technical standpoint, I mean in impact. Everyone who has tried the OR has been absolutely floored by it. AR and Illumiroom shouldnt even be in the same conversation with OR. This is the future of gaming. As awkward as people may feel about wearing a headset to play a game, they all quit caring as soon as they put it on.
metareferential
Member
Let's hope every major manufacturer ends up offering its own VR solution.
The bigger the market, the better the products, especially from high-end, pc-oriented brands, like Fanatec and such.
VR gets mainstream and cheap on consoles, we get the best of the tech perfected on the pc.
Bring it on.
For now, we'll enjoy VR with the OR (dev-kit preorder long ago, now let's just count the days until the end of march 2013).
EDIT: oh, and if Ms or Sony buys Oculus and makes it exclusive, I'm going to kill myself. xD
The bigger the market, the better the products, especially from high-end, pc-oriented brands, like Fanatec and such.
VR gets mainstream and cheap on consoles, we get the best of the tech perfected on the pc.
Bring it on.
For now, we'll enjoy VR with the OR (dev-kit preorder long ago, now let's just count the days until the end of march 2013).
EDIT: oh, and if Ms or Sony buys Oculus and makes it exclusive, I'm going to kill myself. xD
shadowsdarknes
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This is crazy talk. The difference between 720p and 1080p is staggering. You can test this for yourself with a quick download of WipEouT HD (worthwhile purchase). Play it on 720p first then switch to 1080p. The leap in visual fidelity is like playing two different games from different console generations.
Although showing their PROTOTYPE-SR at the past TGS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77oCTRIUCk8) makes it fairly clear that way of research is really into consideration:
TGS 2012におけるヘッドマウントディスプレイ「PROTOTYPE-SR」体験風景 - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k321gmwXDV0
4Gamer.net ― ［TGS 2012］「.hackの世界」実現も近い？ ソニーの特製ヘッドマウントディスプレイを使った仮想現実実験にサイバーコネクトツー松山氏驚く
http://www.4gamer.net/games/183/G018303/20120920045/
Dude I'm a PC gamer, I know the difference, what I am saying is that most devs will go with 720p and push more on screen, particles, geometry and whatnot.
This gen barely managed 720 for half its game what makes you think next will meet the 1080p mark.
Oppo
Member
This is kinda funny, since WHD switches resolution dynamically mid game do you notice "staggering" differences mid-race when it drops?
Sony might decide to make their own headset compatible with Rift, but you can bet they will roll their own hardware for sure on this one. OR is open source I believe and Sony already uses plenty of open libraries and such all over the PS3and Vita.
As for resolution limits, if the headsets are 720p per eye standard at 60 FPS, I don't see a problem with downscaling from standard 1080p games.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Aren't most games this gen 720p? There are some that aren't but if we compile a list I'm pretty sure that like 75% would be 720p. And have you seen the rumored next gen specs? What makes you think devs won't target 1080p? In 2020 I could see devs cutting corners but in the next few years I'm pretty sure all games will be 1080/30. You are severely underestimating next gen consoles.
Refreshment.01
Member
I think VR angle is a potentially good plan for Sony to back up. Make the thing an integral part of the PS4 experience. First as sold separetly then included when costs become reasonable.
Sony seems to have all the investment and tech necesary already to 1 up garage start ups like Occulus.
So even though we are not there yet, it is a better time to give VR another shot.
Sony seems to have all the investment and tech necesary already to 1 up garage start ups like Occulus.
So even though we are not there yet, it is a better time to give VR another shot.
I wouldn't expect very much. It's astounding a videogame focused company can't get their electronics division to optimize things for gaming. That thing has 65ms of lag. John Carmack even bought one, had a friend with Sony contacts, and wanted to talk to the engineers. He was willing to rewrite the firmware in an effort to lower the latency. For free. He finally just gave up. Nobody could ever get him facetime with the engineers.
And why do I bring this up? Because latency is king with these things. Unless you really care about designing hardware around this, it's going to suck.
It was not optimised for VR. It was optimised for playing movies or games on a virtual screen. Very different needs. Oculus would not be good for watching movies.
If Sony makes a 'PlayStation' HMD for VR I would expect good things.
Reallink
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You could be right that no matter how amazing the experience, some people may never be able to get over strapping something to their head--but 3D glasses are not the example to use. The experience of 3D TV/Cinema simply isn't to the point that people would be willing or able to overlook such a requirement. I mean in general, it's dim as fuck, completely awash in crosstalk, and just obviously inferior (IQ wise) to 2D. That's without even getting into all the many content problems (horrible 2D conversions, ridiculously shallow depth, cheap diorama effects, ect...). You could point at any number of half cocked technologies/ideas and exclaim "see, no one wants this or that" or "no one's willing to do this or that"--but then someone gets it right and suddenly people are willing to do and give up a hell of a lot to use it.
With 50+ ms input lag it wasn't really optimized for playing games either. If it weren't for that I'd probably own one now. Did they improve that in the T2?
Me too. Any huge company could potentially build something better than the Rift if they really wanted to, but Sony is probably in the best position. I just don't see them capitalizing on that before it is way too late.
metareferential
Member
What bothers me is that Sony makes Playstation and hdtv's altogether, yet they don't seem to get how important latency is.
Hell, no tv manufacturer gets it (aside from plasma makers, but that's thanks to the tech).
So I'm not that confident about what could Sony offer VR-wise.
How's that little playstation-branded 3D lcd Sony is selling?
I think the 640x800px version is a bad joke. That thing covers a FOV multiple times as large as a computer monitor with a resolution no hardcore gamer touches with a 10 feet pole. Those pixels must be enormous - sure it offers a new level of immersion, but to make it look close to good it would need a 4k display - and then we are neither talking $149 nor $299.
So this happened. Could very well mean nothing.
https://twitter.com/yosp/status/294530025380802560
edit: I guess he tweeted back to make to another person to take no meaning from this.
https://twitter.com/yosp/status/294530025380802560
edit: I guess he tweeted back to make to another person to take no meaning from this.
I H8 Memes
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See you in 10 years when they finally have 4k displays small enough to fit into a headset.
Sorry for the late reply - they supposedly added a 'clear mode' to the T2 that was targeted at games or 'fast moving content'. Not sure if that meant a latency decrease in that mode...didn't see much commentary around it but someone else might know.
yn-neko hates a cat
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John Carmack has reached out to Sony a couple of times and believes they may release a product if the Rift becomes popular enough. He stated that Sony just needed to change some things in their existing VR headset but that they're the closest thing in he market to the proper resolution and view angle he'd want.
Developers will hate it if the Rift were made for the PS4. Imagine the extra work required for them to develop an interesting camera with head tracking that also looks good on a monitor and additional support for systems that don't have this functionality (Microsoft, Nintendo.)
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