Gaz Pwnage
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VGLeaks Durango specs: x64 8-core CPU @1.6GHz, 8GB DDR3 + 32MB ESRAM, 50GB 6x BD...
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A $1000 Supercomuputer is not needed to be "Blown Away"
"Why go first, when your competitors can look at your specifications and come up with something better?"
LOL, Hirai has spoken.
What else do you expect him to say?
"Durango is going to kill Sony."
shinobi602
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ScepticMatt
Member
I think the mover copies the ESRAM content to the DDR3 ram, and it's read simultaneously from DDR3 and ESRAM
Can Crusher
Banned
Since you don't want to let go, here
Guy 1 said:
Then another guy was like
guy 2 said:
And then ERP was like
erp said:
So yeah. But still man, this open for all kinds of interpretation and I guess one of them is "guy is talking about ports". It seems very reasonable. And also as he said, he is not telling us that an individual figure like TFLOP amount for example isn't a useful way to understand performance differences. I am not as versed as you I guess, but I can still read.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
It is, they came up with the extensions, Intel licensed the tech to include in their CPUs.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Royalty isn't as high as you seem it is. Everyone and their mother is using BD-ROM these days. Microsoft can afford it, especially if they want their console to be the entertainment center.
Saberus
Member
No, I expected exactly this, since there is almost no new information here. I was hoping for something more exotic than a tablet CPU and custom mid-range PC gpu. Like we have gotten every other generation
It will have bluray play back. They are trying to make a all in 1 box and if no bluray playback that would screw that to no end.
I think we're just talking about the writing. If we're seeing the reflection of the Wii from behind the Wii the writing should appear to be backwards to us.
The dream is dead.
Why would you want an exotic CPU? Having Durango, Orbis, and PC games all based on x86 is going to be great for the quality of multi-platform games!
if the PS4 has extra Compute Units the CPU wont be the same.
thegodsend
Member
Sounds like a good, beefy hardware. But it really is surprising how similar the architecture is compared to Wii U. This should really help Nintendo to get the downports then, which could give them a healthy lineup and good market place in addition to a presumably better price point.
Anyways, I can't wait and see how the software will look like in the end and especially how the next gen Kinect will be like.
Anyways, I can't wait and see how the software will look like in the end and especially how the next gen Kinect will be like.
McHuj
Member
It will be funny when Bluray playback is locked away behind a Gold subscription
You obviously know more than what you're leading on...
Gaz Pwnage
Member
Im pretty sure MS own an actual codec for Bluray playback (VC-1)...
BruceLeeRoy
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I remember bro. Seriously guys Thuway has been right on with all these specs if you have been paying attention. Definitely a poster to watch out for.
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The unique part would be... and this is if Microsoft is able to nail it... the complete seamless "Apple-like" integration where even Grandma could get it to work. No one has come close to that. Microsoft is aiming to create the future of entertainment accessibility for $400-$450 where if you see it at your friends house and how easy it is to use, you're going to want it too. We'll see if they succeed. It's interesting, nonetheless.
PS4 seems to be more brute force, PSN integration, Vita integration, plus a new controller with a touchscreen of some sort. Seems more "games" focused but that doesn't mean the Xbox won't have compelling games too. You can see the difference in approach by the two companies. Verrrrry interesting!
Death Dealer
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Same type of ram but there is a massive difference between 8GB and 2GB. Plus the Durango CPU stomps Wii-U's.
I really doubt Wii-U is getting many ports of Durango games.
Of course they can afford it, the point is if they want to, considering that they might get the money for themselves by selling downloadable movies through their own service instead of giving money to others to allow Blu Ray playback.
I think there is a good chance that Microsoft could adopt the blu laser technology just to get more space for the games.
Didn't you also come up with secret Sauce? Where's your secret sauce now?
VC1 used to be on HD-DVD exclusively.
Sony needs money, so it'll take anyone who wants to pay the Blu-Ray licensing fee to keep them afloat as a source of free revenue.
On the money.
Horse Armour
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Here's why this system is a massive disappointment hardware wise:
Lack of Blu Ray Disk XL- This has been shown to only add a few dollars to the cost of the drive yet can provide disks in the hundreds of GBs. Whilst it won't be as bad as last gen with the 360 only having 6.8GBs for most of the generation, it will eventually show when virtual texturing increases in usage and other platforms with more storage space but similar processing power (PC and maybe PS4) show much higher quality textures and games that utilise lots of pre rendered videos having much higher quality encodes.
Slow Blu Ray drive: The PS3 hobbled along with a relatively slow drive in comparison to the 360 and it was proven throughout the whole gen what a mistake that was with most early games requiring lengthy installs on PS3 yet still giving worse loading times. With Durango having to fill 10x as much memory as the PS3 but only having a 3x faster drive, you can see how this will be a major issue next gen and if PS4 uses a much faster drive can leave MS in a very precarious situation.
3GB OS Footprint- The 8GB of RAM is a massive success especially considering that many just a few months ago were expecting 2GB in both consoles. To take away 3 of those 8 is absolutely ludicrous and will eliminate many gameplay possibilties e.g. you could fit all of Skyrim into the RAM of Durango without the ridiculous OS footprint.
1.22 TF GPU- This is a terrible increase on last gen and should at a minimum have been 2TF(this applies to PS4 as well). The GPU will hands down be the most important component by far next gen and to scrimp so badly on such an essential component shows lack of the same dedication that Sony and MS had last gen hardware wise. We've even had reports of Epic downgrading UE4 after learning of the disappointing GPU specs in both consoles.
Complex to program for CPU- Whilst 8 cores is all well and nice, as proven time after time with PC games struggling to even utilise quad cores and PS3 devs complaining 24/7 about the scaling games to so many threads, it is shocking that both Sony and MS chose to go for 8 slow cores over a smaller number of faster cores which will only necessitate increases to development effort and therefore costs.
What is shocking is that 360 (RROD aside) is probably the best engineered console in recent history when you consider the fact that it really had very few hardware issues, was very competitive with contemporary PCs, had very forward looking hardware and still came in at a decent price.
Lack of Blu Ray Disk XL- This has been shown to only add a few dollars to the cost of the drive yet can provide disks in the hundreds of GBs. Whilst it won't be as bad as last gen with the 360 only having 6.8GBs for most of the generation, it will eventually show when virtual texturing increases in usage and other platforms with more storage space but similar processing power (PC and maybe PS4) show much higher quality textures and games that utilise lots of pre rendered videos having much higher quality encodes.
Slow Blu Ray drive: The PS3 hobbled along with a relatively slow drive in comparison to the 360 and it was proven throughout the whole gen what a mistake that was with most early games requiring lengthy installs on PS3 yet still giving worse loading times. With Durango having to fill 10x as much memory as the PS3 but only having a 3x faster drive, you can see how this will be a major issue next gen and if PS4 uses a much faster drive can leave MS in a very precarious situation.
3GB OS Footprint- The 8GB of RAM is a massive success especially considering that many just a few months ago were expecting 2GB in both consoles. To take away 3 of those 8 is absolutely ludicrous and will eliminate many gameplay possibilties e.g. you could fit all of Skyrim into the RAM of Durango without the ridiculous OS footprint.
1.22 TF GPU- This is a terrible increase on last gen and should at a minimum have been 2TF(this applies to PS4 as well). The GPU will hands down be the most important component by far next gen and to scrimp so badly on such an essential component shows lack of the same dedication that Sony and MS had last gen hardware wise. We've even had reports of Epic downgrading UE4 after learning of the disappointing GPU specs in both consoles.
Complex to program for CPU- Whilst 8 cores is all well and nice, as proven time after time with PC games struggling to even utilise quad cores and PS3 devs complaining 24/7 about the scaling games to so many threads, it is shocking that both Sony and MS chose to go for 8 slow cores over a smaller number of faster cores which will only necessitate increases to development effort and therefore costs.
What is shocking is that 360 (RROD aside) is probably the best engineered console in recent history when you consider the fact that it really had very few hardware issues, was very competitive with contemporary PCs, had very forward looking hardware and still came in at a decent price.
TheLegendOfMart
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I don't think the Durante is going to be some kind of DVR.
If it has HDMI IN at best its going to be a Google TV kind of device where the OS is an overlay to the TV and it will control your cable box.
If it has HDMI IN at best its going to be a Google TV kind of device where the OS is an overlay to the TV and it will control your cable box.
Theres a reason for that, PCs have single, dual, quad and hex? cores, they can't optimise for 8 threads when the game also has to run on lesser CPUs.
JonathanPower
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No, if the frambuffer must stay in the eDRAM like in the Xbox360, then you are limited to 32MB. Thus, you couldn't run a game using multiple frame buffers that needs 128MB for example. Killezone 3 wouldn't be possible on Xbox360 as its framebuffer wouldn't fit in the 10MB eDRAM.
Wait, the ESRAM in the Durango is nearly half the speed of the main ram in Orbis?
That's the point. So...
Doesn't Crysis 2 also use multiple frame buffers?
Gaz Pwnage
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It sure did, but thats redundant information.
VC-1 is a supported standard within the Bluray specification
cyberheater
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It's not going to happen.
BruceLeeRoy
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That's the point. So...
hahaha perfect.
I wasn't aware it might have more. My bad.
Wait, the ESRAM in the Durango is nearly half the speed of the main ram in Orbis?
Yeah I know... Hopefully MS can pull something off where the ESRAM and main ram can function simultaneously and swap data from the ESRAM to the main ram in order to free it up. Not that this will change the specs but it should helps things a bit.
I really wish they would up the ESRAM.
Agent Ironside
Member
Seems like Orbis > Danjango to me.
I'm no expert, but with the OS memory allocation etc. It seems devs will be able to get more out of the Orbis.
I'm no expert, but with the OS memory allocation etc. It seems devs will be able to get more out of the Orbis.
yeah, and that is very interesting. But pulling off what you have in your imagination will be challenging (at least if its anything like my imagination). But it is the golden goose of the living room IMO, and apple will certainly be pushing for it.
My biggest concern with this is the limited global coverage of the 'perfect' solution. You'd want a DVR with network control and possibly deals with the DVR makers and/or channel suppliers for IPTV.
So for FIOS consumers in the US you may get the ultimate experience, but others in the US less so, and even worse in other countries.
Maybe thats enough, for the halo effect (no pun intended) to sell units and they'll roll out deals in the upcoming years?
Welp.
thegodsend
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Because of technical specs (RAM / CPU as the bottleneck!?) or because of business reasons (which is another huge factor...)?
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Something doesn't feel conclusive about this and seems to put an educated spin on rumors that are existing.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Yeah, he talked here about this. That it would free resources from the GPU. I don't see it in those specs. He also talked about that he never heard about "special sauce" for Orbis, when the rumors clearly hinted on the additional compute unit in the PS4.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46696148&postcount=4074
And of course he says how efficient Microsoft with their low-power specs is, and that Sony is using a inefficient raw power approach. Which doesn't make any sense. At all.
What's the data move engine?
Is it like a data transfer engine?
DMA engine makes the most sense, and at the same time no sense at all.