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NoirVisage
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Agreed on ALL counts, especially the bolded.
Can Crusher
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Exactly my point, which makes the cloud a pie in the sky.
Even the A.I won't be processed by the Cloud in real time in Forza 5.
MusicGangATL
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great news. for those that think otherwise....
As a 10 year old in the theatre, that scene was pretty much the exact point I started thinking Superman was kind of lame. At the time i was a total Supes/Batman fan, but a year or two later I was an X-Men/Spider-Man fan and didn't read any DC comics anymore lol.
Not just the mainframe robot shit, but a few scenes in Superman 3 really killed me as a kid. Superman *blowing* oil back into a leaking supertanker had little me fuming "superman can't do that!" to myself. By the time the actually somehow WORSE Superman IV came out I was like an elementary school comic book hipster - I had been hating the Superman movies for yeeaars already.
Vestal
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at the same time you can't simply dismiss the benefits that this offers to developers and in turn to us the consumer. As evident by the inclusion of cloud computations in forza 5. While they are not real time they offer a glimpse at what the cloud can be used for.
you could possibly apply the same approach turn 10 is doing to various games giving a more real feel to how AI behaves.
As a 10 year old in the theatre, that scene was pretty much the exact point I started thinking Superman was kind of lame. At the time i was a total Supes/Batman fan, but a year or two later I was an X-Men/Spider-Man fan and didn't read any DC comics anymore lol.
Not just the mainframe robot shit, but a few scenes in Superman 3 really killed me as a kid. Superman *blowing* oil back into a leaking supertanker had little me fuming "superman can't do that!" to myself. By the time the actually somehow WORSE Superman IV came out I was like an elementary school comic book hipster - I had been hating the Superman movies for yeeaars already.
The new Superman, Man of Steel, is the biggest offender. What a piece of shit movie it turned out to be. Especially that bullshit, slap in the face, ending. Fuck you, all involved in that abortion.
Vestal
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I'll watch it eventually. However I feel dirty watching a superman movie without the John Williams score
And it's older than that really. It was apparently a strategy they wanted to use with the N64, to make it hard to develop for so only really good games would show up on the system and the crap gets filtered out. Instead everyone went to the PS1 and the N64 still got a bunch of shitty games. Just like we saw with the PS3, though this time the desire for multiplatforms probably means the XB1 won't be shafted in game selection period nevermind the XB1's probably easier to develop for and will scale better, though it could still develop the stigma of having inferior versions or scaring some smaller developers off to PS4, doubly so if it starts to rise in Japan and most games from there do way better on PS4 anyway.
BruceLeeRoy
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You and me both bro. That scene terrified me
http://www.cio-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=120007VYXYCO
"Site work is expected to start this summer, with construction beginning later this year and running until the end of 2015."
1) Microsoft only has 4 data centers now.
2) $700M cloud is coming only in 2015
3) It is shared with 200+ other services. It not just for Xbox
4) Today Microsoft charges developers/customers, ~$133 per day for a single VM. Cloud is not free
5) Ubisoft, EA all already have data center leases with other cloud vendors based on Openstack.
http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/pricing/calculator/?scenario=virtual-machines
"Site work is expected to start this summer, with construction beginning later this year and running until the end of 2015."
1) Microsoft only has 4 data centers now.
2) $700M cloud is coming only in 2015
3) It is shared with 200+ other services. It not just for Xbox
4) Today Microsoft charges developers/customers, ~$133 per day for a single VM. Cloud is not free
5) Ubisoft, EA all already have data center leases with other cloud vendors based on Openstack.
http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/pricing/calculator/?scenario=virtual-machines
Vestal
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not going to go over all that cause I'm on the phone.
but were the hell are you getting 133 dollars a day figure?? Thin air again?
Funny how a couple of ppl talking about horrible moments in the awful latter Superman movies has actually *improved* the level of discourse in this troll bait thread.
If anyone hasn't seen it, the Honest Trailer treatment for Superman IV. It's worse than I recall somehow lol.
If anyone hasn't seen it, the Honest Trailer treatment for Superman IV. It's worse than I recall somehow lol.
Truespeed
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Didn't AMD say DirectX way holding back performance? And isn't the use of DirectX on XBONE a requirement? With the PS4 you can either use/extend LibGCM, OpenGL ES or even roll your own graphics API if you want to hit the metal directly. Having options is good.
Vestal
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Can Crusher
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In theory sure. But then again that really only works in competitive games. A story driven game will never benefit from it.
So essentially, you're talking about playing against bots in offline mode. Could be cool for training purposes, for those who want to improve their skills against bots before heading online. It's far from a game changer, or something that is going to alter design in offline games. And since in online games, people mostly will spend their time competing against other real users, it really just becomes this sort of cool side feature.
Vestal
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apparently it will be published in august
You are not accounting for all the nickle and diming of Azure
http://www.windowsazure.com/en-US/pricing/calculator/?scenario=full
Authentication, Network B/W, SQL Server, Storage Space, Support. All has to be added up.
http://www.windowsazure.com/en-US/pricing/calculator/?scenario=full
Authentication, Network B/W, SQL Server, Storage Space, Support. All has to be added up.
Vestal
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it still doesn't add up to the number you put up.
not to mention that devs are getting special pricing for xbone
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
More like, this article really says nothing of value and changes nothing due to inaccuracies in stated values, some seriously convoluted method of measurement or an apparent down clock.
Of which we can't tell for sure based on the information provided in the shitty article.
Templar_Dante
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Forza 5 would most probably be a few data packets downloaded from the server to the ram for stored A.I algorythms. So, a real guy sets a top time on a track etc, server stores data in the cloud and your a.i in the game uses it. Wont ever be real time given latency.
I wouldn't go so far but, yes, anything that requires updates for every frame cannot effectively use cloud. However, there are non real-time scenarios where cloud can be leveraged.
One example is a traditional RPG scenario where the player approaches a town or village that's home for hundreds of NPCs. If the game detects the player is within a certain distance of the settlement, the game can query the cloud infrastructure to (pre)compute AI behaviours of all villagers. These villagers may have interacted with other players, so their behaviours may be different. When all that pre-computation is done, the data is downloaded onto the console's HD where it can be accessed locally.
More specifically, suppose if player X spreads rumors to some villagers about player Y. That would / may affect how the townsfolk behave toward player Y. This information is uploaded to the cloud. Later on, as player Y approaches the settlement, the modified NPC AI would be downloaded and the game will make use of the data as normal. In other words, player X has indirectly affected the single-player experience for player Y. If I were to design an RPG, I would make use of cloud in such a fashion. It would enrich the game experience by adding a 'human touch' to NPC interactions which would otherwise be based on fixed patterns.
To host one game server:
http://www.windowsazure.com/en-US/pricing/calculator/?scenario=full
1) VM
2) SQL Server
3) Web Instance (So that people can login and see what their stats are)
4) Storage Geo redudant. So that you can see the data base in multiple domains
5) Back up: 10GB
6) SQL DB: 5GB/2DB
7) 720 hours of virtual network
8) Authentication
Tell me the monthly cost is not above $5K ??
Devs get far better pricing form Amazon http://aws.amazon.com/game-hosting/
Ubisoft is using OpenStack vendor cloudscaling.
http://www.windowsazure.com/en-US/pricing/calculator/?scenario=full
1) VM
2) SQL Server
3) Web Instance (So that people can login and see what their stats are)
4) Storage Geo redudant. So that you can see the data base in multiple domains
5) Back up: 10GB
6) SQL DB: 5GB/2DB
7) 720 hours of virtual network
8) Authentication
Tell me the monthly cost is not above $5K ??
Devs get far better pricing form Amazon http://aws.amazon.com/game-hosting/
Ubisoft is using OpenStack vendor cloudscaling.
I don't know if it's banworthy, but from my experience here the burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim, not the person who replies with skepticism. So oldergamer should probably back up his claims.
(did he and I missed it? I am phone skimming.)
dream431ca
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Link?
Source please.
Can Crusher
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That's just uploading info, it's not saving any sort of CPU cycles right? It's just storing data of what one player did while he was playing.
Cloud processing power could be employed in off screen npc's, which could allow for some cool ripple effects.
As far as your idea though, it's not feasible unless it's a MMO. Why would I want my first visit into a town to be tainted by what somebody else did there first? That's ridiculous. Unless it's a persistent online world, or a game like Watch Dogs where there is player to player interaction but at the end of the day it is your story. Which means I don't run the risk of having my game experience degraded by the choices of others.
Vestal
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I believe it was respawn who said this. Its in one of the threads here in regards to titanfall.
on my phone but it was posted earlier in the thread earlier.
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googleplex
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GDDR5 is more expensive, and CPU's do not need the bandwidth GDDR5 provides.
1. You do not shop for a memory controller. They're integrated into CPU's, GPU's.
2. There are no low latency AMD APU controllers on the market. AMD Llano memory controller latency with DDR3 is higher than Nvidia GPU memory controller with GDDR5.
Glorified G
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lawd
If cloud is not FREE, then there is no cloud advantage for Xbox one over PC or WiiU.
Then it comes to who is cheaper. Azure or Amazon or OpenStack Vendors like cloud scaling.
- Ubisoft using Cloud scaling
- Sony uses Rack space
- Xbox gaming division uses Azure
- Amazon has the most traction with lot of MMOs
Publishers pay money to cloud vendors/data centers, they use whom ever is cheaper.
Even if MS wants to sign-up more customers, their $700M(300,000 server) Azure Cloud wont be ready till 2015.
Then it comes to who is cheaper. Azure or Amazon or OpenStack Vendors like cloud scaling.
- Ubisoft using Cloud scaling
- Sony uses Rack space
- Xbox gaming division uses Azure
- Amazon has the most traction with lot of MMOs
Publishers pay money to cloud vendors/data centers, they use whom ever is cheaper.
Even if MS wants to sign-up more customers, their $700M(300,000 server) Azure Cloud wont be ready till 2015.
Vestal
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yup thanks.
so edit my remarks. A full spec sheet is possible in August. Either way lots of questions will be answered there
Wishmaster92
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Mostly updating information, yes. As for saving CPU cycles, it all depends how and if a game uses remote compute resources.
Yes, that's is one interpretation of the example I provided.
TheChillyAcademic
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Is there any particular reason that Microsoft hasn't released a spec sheet yet? I saw a post earlier that claimed it would be shown in August but...why exactly wait? Is it ONLY to protect against comparison charts or...just curious.
Manmademan
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same reason Nintendo hasn't, and I wouldn't expect one after all the specs don't matter bs
Vestal
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are you arguing that devs have no benefits developing games for xboxone using cloud/ded servers compared to doing it for other consoles. Huh???
respawn is already using azure for Titanfall.
Sony have better specs than them.
Vestal
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we don't really have a spec sheet for the ps4 do we?? I mean all the numbers have been drawn from the information they provided combined with what we assume or know about the and silicone.
Can't wait for these great many articles!
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