Read the whole conversation.
He's actually pretty clear. All he said was you can't install the disc and throw it away like the original version of Xbone.
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New PS4 Details: Automatic Caching Games Not Install
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He's actually pretty clear. All he said was you can't install the disc and throw it away like the original version of Xbone.
Scousefury
Member
Info is wrong, or your reading it wrong. All games fully install in the background while playing them, so yes Killzone takes up 39GB for the entire time it's on the system, you can delete this data at any time, but if want to play it again you have to have 39GB free on the system. This is fact
I don't read that. He is saying you can only install part of it like on PS3. That's not what I want.
Okay so Yoshida answered my question. It seems there still gonna be loadings in the cache form so you still get the option to install part of the game like current consoles do. But yeah full installs is unnecessary since you still need the disc of each physical game to play.
Edit: I guess is a good thing for those who thought they would need 50GB HDD space for each game in their collection. They should have made this point clear from the beginning as there is a lot of confusion on it.
Edit: I guess is a good thing for those who thought they would need 50GB HDD space for each game in their collection. They should have made this point clear from the beginning as there is a lot of confusion on it.
If space is used as swap - it remains in swap until the system dumps it or gets written over. I doubt there will be an option to clear the system cache, IMO. Its not something that needs to be done, tbh.
LordBaztion
Member
Good to know, I need this confirmation for XBO now.
What do you want?
Full game installs like on 360, not just part of it like on PS3.
Shadow2222
Member
Thank goodness. I was getting a little scared.
JonathanPower
Member
It's exactly what the original Xbox did. Some data is cached to the HDD to improve loading times. It's not a full game installation.
Dude, i've got bad news about those full game installs on 360...
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Why the hell would you want that? Seriously think about what you are saying instead of just taking every opportunity to moan.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Sony redeemed themselves with this one.
Either Microsoft does away with the mandatory installs or gets external HDD support out quick.
Either Microsoft does away with the mandatory installs or gets external HDD support out quick.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
-fresh PS4
-pop in KZ
-it starts to copy over 40GB of data onto my drive as i play it
-i turn it off and put in CoD
-it starts to put in 49GB of data as i play it
-repeat until hdd almost full
-put in knack and it starts to copy over data as i play
-when it gets close to running out, the KZ data begins to delete
this is how cache works, yes? or does it delete the data from the hdd as soon as i take out the game disc? this is what i was hoping for in the other threads.
-pop in KZ
-it starts to copy over 40GB of data onto my drive as i play it
-i turn it off and put in CoD
-it starts to put in 49GB of data as i play it
-repeat until hdd almost full
-put in knack and it starts to copy over data as i play
-when it gets close to running out, the KZ data begins to delete
this is how cache works, yes? or does it delete the data from the hdd as soon as i take out the game disc? this is what i was hoping for in the other threads.
Pop
Member
Why would you want to install disk games now? It does all the caching while playing the game. I think some of you are just extremely lazy and don't want to get up off your ass and switch disks. Jeez haha
Yeah so go ahead and download those 50GB digital titles. You might be able to play 2-3 hours later but at least you won't ever have to push that little button to pop the disk out. Hard work there.
Yeah so go ahead and download those 50GB digital titles. You might be able to play 2-3 hours later but at least you won't ever have to push that little button to pop the disk out. Hard work there.
That is what you are going to get on PS4.
I believe Yoshida doesn't mean cache in the tradition sense. What he meant is the game will install in the background as you play.
I know you need the disk in the console, I don't have a problem with that.
Less noise, longer durability for the optical drive, less writing on the hard drive, etc. Why wouldn't I want that?
Why would you want to take up 30-50GB of space on a full install when you get the same effect with a partial install (for loading purposes).
Edit: I guess you answered.
mangochutney
Member
It works how it is designed to work.
Most logically would be how you explain it - and is how your browser cache works.
But equally, if they wanted it to it could only cache with the disc present but that would be pointless and not efficient.
They could even go right only cache the data for 1 minute, but that'd again be pointless.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
This is a background feature so I'd imagine it automatically writes over the existing cache for the first game you played.
legacyzero
Banned
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Because once it's fully cached it would be as good as an install. It just doesn't take up a space permanently. That's the only difference. Remember that the Blu-ray drive is three times faster and Sony have new tech to make shifting data more efficient.
BradleyLove
Member
This is how I believe it works although I can't confirm that. I'm thinking there will be a certain % of HDD space allocated to game disc installs. Once that gets full, older installs are removed.
Seeing as the game install is seamless, I simply can't see how Sony would then want manual deletions to get in the way. It takes a while to delete 30GB from an HDD and that's just a barrier to quick play.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
This whole stuff amazes me. I mean I understand the need for things to be faster, but overall thisndoes not seem more convenient.
When we have fast switching of titles with small file sizes that are cheaper and get direct to gameplay id be interested in DD..oh wait.
Why does everyone hate indies again?
I don't think you could have 5 or 6 games in the cache at the same time.
Sony and MS are fucked either way. Any option presented whether it's full installs, partial installs or caching is apparently going to cause one group of people to complain. Hell, all I want to do is play a game without excessive amounts of loading.
Haha what?
Those reasons are pretty irrelevant, except for the less noise one. I think if you install part of the game on the HDD the disc reads could perhaps be slow enough to be heard?
You wont have problems with the optical drive having it do what is meant to do throughout the whole generation. The same goes for the hard drive writings (unless we are speaking of a SSD).
As someone who's had to open up his PS3 to replace his blu-ray drive, they're very very relevant.
silver.tongue
Member
Ow, fuck yes.
Now 1TB might actually be enough.
Now 1TB might actually be enough.
Derpcrawler
Member
I really hope we will get an option to do full permanent installs or at least manage that cache and force some games to be cached permanently, say I play Battlefield 4 all year around but only when my buddies online, so if they are offline for few weeks that means no BF4 for few weeks. But when they do come online I want to jump straight to the game and don't have to deal with slow load times while console caches game again.
Alec
Member
I don't want the temptation of loaning out\trading in my games. I don't want boxes or physical media. I went through an extensive collection phase years back and I don't want to amass another hoard.
I also have a 50Gb internet connection so I'm not worried about download speeds. PSN keeps up with it pretty handily most of the time.
I also plan on doing a lot of Remote Play. It would be a hassle to switch discs from another end of the house, let alone from someone else's house.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Good news is bad news and bad news is good news and good news is bad news and ... By Christ I hope some of you don't apply these rules to real life.
This is pretty much bad news for me. I thought this whole time all games would auto install in the backround, preserving the life of my blu-ray drive. Sure it'd be more wear and tear on the hard drive but that can be replaced myself without voiding the warranty.
I repeat again, I think it will work the way you thought it would be. The use of the word 'caching' is just Yoshida's way of saying that I think.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
But once it's cached it won't use the Blu-ray anywhere near as much, if at all. It's like a 'temporary' install. It just means the console can manage the space available and you don't have to worry about it.
omnislayer
Member
This needs some serious clarification before more people jump to conclusions.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Yep, that's how it works. Straight from the mouth of Cerny himself:
Gamasutra said:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/191007/inside_the_playstation_4_with_mark_.php?page=3
Yoshida pointing out that this is more of a cache than a traditional install doesn't change anything. The article this thread is based on is just making stuff up, nowhere has anyone from Sony said what that article is claiming.
So it will start caching again when you play the game again? This makes no sense at all.
Technology matures thought (doesn't mean the ps4 drives will be better, but is at least what you could expect). I mean I know what happened with the first ps2 disc drives but that is an extreme case.
Some things will break eventually, but I find this argument of "not using something because it may break" a surreal reason. It is a non-issue even if it happened to you, it can happen to anyone, things break. I haven't had any problem with the disc drive on my consoles but I guess some people have had.
In fact I think the disc drives might get less use now than before where u will always need the disc spinning on games, if we go by the logic that once the games is fully cached it wont need to spin anymore, or not at full speeds anyways.
LOL there are at least three different interpretations in this thread.
1) It's like a background install
2) It's pure caching, a game needs 50GB free to run, after you're done the datas are made free.
3) 50GB on the hard drive are reserved for caching and they are used by all games, actual installs don't exist.
So well...it seems like it's something to clear up
1) It's like a background install
2) It's pure caching, a game needs 50GB free to run, after you're done the datas are made free.
3) 50GB on the hard drive are reserved for caching and they are used by all games, actual installs don't exist.
So well...it seems like it's something to clear up
Exactly, the article is just fantasizing stuff.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Question:
Yohida:
If it was permanent it would be an install and Yosh would have answered differently. This article is correct. You don't have to worry about filling your HDD up.
Yoshida is using the wrong terminology. Up till now everything we've heard is about full installs in the background. Yoshida has just used the wrong word to describe it.