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Jaffe:"Is this biased journalism? Or is it just me?"
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Mike Works
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you truly can't see jaffe's point about how the journalist may have an agenda? look at the questions, man.seat said:
krypt0nian
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ViperVisor said:
See...when you miss a bunch of pages and post like you're new, this lack of funny happens.
Kasumi1970
my name is Ted
I find that people are saying that failure rate of the 360 is 16%.belvedere said:
another article saying The X box 360 and the PS2 actually have nearly identical defect rates of 35%. Over 100 million PS2 systems have been sold, and there have been over 5 million PS2 systems that have had defects. all the article I find are only talking about the failure rate for the PS3 and 360.
Redd said:
The launch price lost me as a customer. I'm not paying that for a gaming console and I couldn't give a shit about Blu-Ray. I had made an earlier rule that I would never buy a PS3 after the price was revealed, to illustrate how fucking much I hated it, but I'm weakening over time and might pick one up - at the mainstream price of $250.
And honestly, MS had the whole RROD issue that lost me as their customer for the rest of this gen and possibly next.
I think that's the biggest deal for me really: Nintendo didn't fuck up as badly as the other two.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
sankt-Antonio said:
#1- Do you regret abandoning the blockbuster franchise, God of War, which you helped create?
Not at all. Been there, done that, loved the whole experience. Looking for new challenges and for a way to be compensated fairly for my and my team's contributions.
#2- Is Twisted Metal still a relevant IP?
Only if there was enough new design ideas in there to make it relevant to today's gamers. If we were to ever make a new TM, it would have to change alot in terms of rule sets and design philosophy to merit the endeavor. Theme wise, I still love it but respect it's more of a game for American sensibilities vs. European or Japanese.
#3- You talked up your last release and didn't have much impact, what will be different this time around?
The game will be better and deeper. I made the mistake of going for surface fun (which I thought we did well for many players) but forgot to put in the deep end of the pool...my mistake was thinking 10 bucks meant players would be happy with 1 day of play and that was wrong. The theme was all wrong as well. I read the market very poorly and will try to apply lessons from that mistake to our new title.
#4- How can your development house afford to not go multiplatform in this day and age?
We just can. We have a biz model that works, and a great relationship with Sony that allows great support and a large amount of creative autonomy. If we hit, we get to help support a machine that we believe in and we get to make many players happy. Would love to be on as many plats as possible but it comes at a cost and we don't want to pay that price at this point in our development lives. Hell, we may never want to pay that price. We love being exclusive to Sony are are proud they choose us to be one of their 2nd party studios.
#5-What lessons, if any, have you learned from Denis Dyack's behavior on message boards, blogs, and with gaming press surrounding the launch of his game Too Human?
I dunno. Didn't follow it that much. I think Denis' major flaw was he hyped his game up and it did not come close to delivering (according to many). We work our butts off to make players happy and while we have theories as to what will work or what will not, we don't really know. We are just doing our best. So I think a lot of it is letting the public make up their own mind about your game. You don't need me to tell you it's good or not. I will just do my part to work hard so you will- we hope- say it's great! As I recall, he also attacked the fans in some sort of way, yes? I would not do that because I am a fan and I also appreciate and love all gamers...we are all the same nerdy tribe and even tho we may disagree I respect and love all geeks...they are my people.
David
Stoney Mason
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voltron said:So many lost friends. So many people on ignore that shouldnt be.
So much lost time
lol. If what you are posting is your honest mistaken impression then whenever somebody on gaf agreed with you or complimented you, you thought they were insulting you.
:lol
Beer Monkey
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Sony has had three Christmas seasons and MS has had four, and Sony just got their butt kicked again last month as is the trend.
This was NOT supposed to happen. Hell, I figured PS3 would outsell 360 worldwide in less than one year. Instead the gap is growing.
This is after a gen where Sony held 70% of global marketshare.
This is the biggest story about the PS3, and it will stay the biggest story. Reporting on it isn't bias.
This was NOT supposed to happen. Hell, I figured PS3 would outsell 360 worldwide in less than one year. Instead the gap is growing.
This is after a gen where Sony held 70% of global marketshare.
This is the biggest story about the PS3, and it will stay the biggest story. Reporting on it isn't bias.
The Faceless Master
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:lol :lol :lolvoltron said:
holy shit, if this is true, then it probably changes your entire perception of certain posters!
Ice Monkey
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The PS3 and 360 both have a lot of great unique features to offer. Anyone claiming one is "obviously" superior (other than with hardware and software numbers) in every way to the other is an idiot.
A couple things I'm thinking about, however:
1. A simple fact that many seem to overlook is that when comparing the features of either console at a given price point and ignoring the available games for each, the PS3 is essentially a 360 with the "options" bundled in (and an understandably worse online service for free as opposed to a better service that's paid for): larger hard drive, wifi, etc. Obviously this has had an effect on the average consumer or parent thinking one is cheaper than the other, and contributes to the 360s success compared to the PS3.
2. I'm convinced that in this generation a large reason why these console "wars" matter SO MUCH to so many people is because of how people who preferred the original xbox felt when the ps2 was "winning". Now that many of the xbox "preferrers" now prefer the 360, they can't be happier that their console is "stealing" exclusives and is now "winning". This is all fine, but becomes disappointing when they go into a forum and idiotically bash the other console, much of the time with no facts or solid basis for their argument. This also happens to cause journalists to look for sensationalist discussion about how the PS3 is "failing so miserably". What I wonder is what discussion would be occurring and what questions this journalist might be asking to be answered if for one reason or the other the PS3 was actually still "winning" like everyone had predicted before its release.
3. I'm convinced a BIG REASON (not the only reason) the 360 hardware and possibly even software is so popular is the piracy. Lets face it, the PS3 has no easy way to play free games, and the 360 may not be the easiest thing to crack, but since about 5 or 6 months into its lifespan, even idiot children can fumble through flashing the 360 DVD firmware if they know how to google and have a screwdriver if they wanted to.
4. Along with the previous, I really wonder what it would be like if both the 360 and PS3 were "hackable"? What if the PS3 was the only one that could be hacked? What if the PS3 was as unsecure as the PSP is nowadays, with PS1, PS2 and PS3 ISOs able to be placed on the XMB and launched like a PSN game? I would think that would have SOME effect on hardware sales, maybe even software by boosting MGS4 sales because that would be a comparably hard game to fit on the PS3's hard drive at 50GB.
A couple things I'm thinking about, however:
1. A simple fact that many seem to overlook is that when comparing the features of either console at a given price point and ignoring the available games for each, the PS3 is essentially a 360 with the "options" bundled in (and an understandably worse online service for free as opposed to a better service that's paid for): larger hard drive, wifi, etc. Obviously this has had an effect on the average consumer or parent thinking one is cheaper than the other, and contributes to the 360s success compared to the PS3.
2. I'm convinced that in this generation a large reason why these console "wars" matter SO MUCH to so many people is because of how people who preferred the original xbox felt when the ps2 was "winning". Now that many of the xbox "preferrers" now prefer the 360, they can't be happier that their console is "stealing" exclusives and is now "winning". This is all fine, but becomes disappointing when they go into a forum and idiotically bash the other console, much of the time with no facts or solid basis for their argument. This also happens to cause journalists to look for sensationalist discussion about how the PS3 is "failing so miserably". What I wonder is what discussion would be occurring and what questions this journalist might be asking to be answered if for one reason or the other the PS3 was actually still "winning" like everyone had predicted before its release.
3. I'm convinced a BIG REASON (not the only reason) the 360 hardware and possibly even software is so popular is the piracy. Lets face it, the PS3 has no easy way to play free games, and the 360 may not be the easiest thing to crack, but since about 5 or 6 months into its lifespan, even idiot children can fumble through flashing the 360 DVD firmware if they know how to google and have a screwdriver if they wanted to.
4. Along with the previous, I really wonder what it would be like if both the 360 and PS3 were "hackable"? What if the PS3 was the only one that could be hacked? What if the PS3 was as unsecure as the PSP is nowadays, with PS1, PS2 and PS3 ISOs able to be placed on the XMB and launched like a PSN game? I would think that would have SOME effect on hardware sales, maybe even software by boosting MGS4 sales because that would be a comparably hard game to fit on the PS3's hard drive at 50GB.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
... and jaffe lives up to his tag.
It probably shouldn't surprise me that some people here are handwaving away the blatant bias of those questions, but it's still pretty sad. It seems pretty obvious that the 'mystery journalist' already arrived at his conclusions ahead of time, and was just fishing for some juicy soundbites to validate his points.
And as to why it matters, ever heard the words, 'self-fulfilling prophecy'? If I wasn't heavily into games and I was looking for a new console, all these 'the PS3 is dying a slow death' articles would definitely make me think twice about buying one, that's for damn sure. Public perception of a product, positive or negative, can have a very real effect on sales. It doesn't have to be true ('PS3 is dying', 'PS3 has no games'); enough people just have to believe it. That's not the only factor at work when it comes to the PS3's sales, but it is a factor.
And as to why it matters, ever heard the words, 'self-fulfilling prophecy'? If I wasn't heavily into games and I was looking for a new console, all these 'the PS3 is dying a slow death' articles would definitely make me think twice about buying one, that's for damn sure. Public perception of a product, positive or negative, can have a very real effect on sales. It doesn't have to be true ('PS3 is dying', 'PS3 has no games'); enough people just have to believe it. That's not the only factor at work when it comes to the PS3's sales, but it is a factor.
Redd said:
To be honest, the Blu-Ray situation also was one of the contributing factors of my rather vehement dislike of Sony at the start of this gen. I didn't want it; I didn't like that they were basically setting the system up as a sacrificial lamb for some format war I cared nothing about. I buy a gaming console for games, not to contribute to someone else's ambitions to go beyond them.
But yeah, as I said, I'm cooling off on them. MS, on the other hand, can burn.
tfur said:
I think you're disagreeing with me, but I'm not sure what you're saying. Your own graphs show that a naive launch-alignment gives nearly identical sales for the 360 and PS3, and it seems likely to me that a more-reliable and later-launching 360 would have seen stronger early sales than it actually did.
Were you objecting to me saying that the Wii would be at 66%? I corrected that in an edit, though perhaps not until after you'd posted.
Kill Your Masters
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Well at least something good came out of this thread.
He might have had an agenda, but I doubt it comes from writing for MSNBC. Do you think a movie reviewer for MSNBC is going to shit on a Columbia Pictures release because it's a Sony company? I doubt it. If he had an agenda, it's probably because people love to pile on on a failure.. makes their job easier.Mike Works said:
Gotchaye said:
He is saying that the PS3 is basically no where near the failure people here think it is.
Most Gaffers are Americans. NPD is god here. The PS3 is not doing well in the US. But, in Europe it's around a million units behind the 360. You might think that is a lot, but it's not. The 360 had a 15-16 month head start in Europe, and it's currently less than half the price of the PS3. It's less than a DSi will be. It should be murdering the PS3, but it's barely edged in front. In Japan PS3 is winning by a considerable amount.
America is not the only country on earth.
Mike Works
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as someone who's currently taking journalism in school this post makes me go urggggggghhhhhhhhhhhavaya said:
sankt-Antonio
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yay for davids answers
this is true, all friends except for 1 i know have ps3s
and just a couple of days ago my bandmate told me that he is saving up for a ps3 and that he needs to eat shit for a while- i told him to buy a 360 for 150 ... he just looked at me ...and was like "why the hell should i buy a 360?"
in europe the ps brand is still very strong...
stuburns said:
this is true, all friends except for 1 i know have ps3s
and just a couple of days ago my bandmate told me that he is saving up for a ps3 and that he needs to eat shit for a while- i told him to buy a 360 for 150 ... he just looked at me ...and was like "why the hell should i buy a 360?"
in europe the ps brand is still very strong...
Meier said:
Indeed. But on the film thing, are MS a player in the movie market? Genuine question, the media space is an incestous place.
Personally, if I was interviewing someone and I had an agenda to get a headline worthy quote I'd start at 0 before hitting 60. The questions seem a little too prickly to me. But that's if I stop to think about it. I'm not gonna any longer.
CrushDance
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:lol You did that on purpose huh?diss said:
Kill Your Masters
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Now I don't know if I should be happy or put you on ignore :/diss said:
FabCam said:
Oh come on, you people are in denial. I'm not saying the PS3 has no games. I'm saying that going from being the undisputed market leader with 75% market share to a minor player with 20% (and falling) marketshare in little more than 3 years is nothing but a screw up of EPIC proportions. To call it anything else is completely disingenuious.
I really don't see how they're different from the usual questions thrown around by the media lately. I think Jaffe's point on how these inquiries may be inappropriate to ask a game developer is pretty valid, but just disregarding them as bias? "Tough" and "bias" are not synonymous.Mike Works said:
So are you insinuating almost all of GAF's members are bias against Sony?belvedere said:
Vast Inspiration
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davidjaffe said:
Considering the fact that you were one of the top devs in Sony's inner circle, and you obviously dealt with Sony's management (the same type of people that made the ultimate decisions about the console), it would not be a stretch to ask you how YOU perceived the attitude at Sony.
Epic (a 3rd party developer) convinced Microsoft to foot $1 Billion and upgrade the Ram from 256 to 512. So again...it would not be out of the fucking blue to ask YOU, one of the most respected creative directors under Sony's control (at the time), what you thought of what was going on.
So don't give me (and everyone else here), the drivel of bias by the media. Sony went from DOMINATING the console space to an undeniable 3rd place position (for now).
You can feed people the line about good games coming and price drops that will generate profit for Sony. But generating profit after 3 years is a far cry from the days of complete dominance of the console market by having over 60% of the market share.
So, that's my point Jaffe. If you have NO ANSWERS to any of those questions...then it is sad to see that you must've not meant much to Sony.
If you want to be a cheerleader for the PS3, then you also have to accept responsibility of answering some questions about the pitfalls of the PS3.
That's my point Jaffe.
Mike Works
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huh? i never inferred that it was because he works at MSNBC. never suggested that at all. other people in this thread have (either jokingly or seriously), but i haven't.Meier said:
having an agenda in this particular sense/case is bad. there's no need for it.
if the journalist was doing an article on why the PS3 has faltered up to this point, i think the questions would seem perfectly valid.
but as it is, the journalist claimed he's doing an article on the PS3's history up to this point, and those questions do not properly reflect an open viewpoint on that broad focal point. so either the journalist has an unfair slant in his questions and thus potential article, or he mislead the interviewee on the true subject/nature of the article, which is arguably worse.
but again, we can't condemn the journalist until the article is published.
a Master Ninja
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I'd like to thank Mr. Jaffe for his participation in this impromptu interview. Much respect.
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