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Angry Grimace · Jun 27, 2016

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";208501500]She has pseudo-hexproof. Most of the stuff that kills her in standard are wraths that would kill both angels anyway.[/QUOTE]

I mean, if you have anything that will kill them, I presume you'd kill one of them before they melded. It's extremely hard to draw into answers to Brisela though because most playable answers can't be cast after it hits the battlefield. You're mostly talking about dropping an Ormendahl to create a board stall or drawing into Planar Outburst.

charlequin · Jun 27, 2016

Angry Grimace said:
Bolas is not confirmed to be from Dominaria. The really old lore suggested that all of the Elder Dragons were planeswalkers so who knows where they were from.

I believe the very old source material on the Elder Dragons confirmed that they were from Dominaria but that's also from before they threw out all the old material so nowadays it might be undefined, yeah.

ShadowSoldier89 said:
why cant she. Narset is no longer planebound. Not saying its the best course of action, but its already another option. It would also be an alternative way for innistrad to lose its guardian

I mean, then it's just a completely different story. Avacyn could have become the angel planeswalker but that wasn't going to support their overall goal which was to return to creepy Innistrad to make money and sell cards. Once you're already at the point of saying "we need to undo AVR in a way that lets us do horror world" all the answers obvious enough to show on a card involve corrupting Avacyn, killing Avacyn, or (as they went with) both.

Familienoberhauptvogel · Jun 27, 2016

I have to rescing my judgement I could see mainboarding Gisela as a 1 of and having bruna in the sideboard against slow decks that don't play anguished unmaking and or transgress the mind.

Angry Grimace · Jun 27, 2016

If you let the meld trigger hit the stack, then Stasis Snare or Ultimate Price one of them, does the other one get exiled and fail to return, or does the trigger simply fail to resolve because you no longer control both of them?

I assume the latter but if its the former that sounds bad.

ultron87 · Jun 27, 2016

It's the latter. Triggers worded like "______, if _____, [thing happens]" will only trigger if the if statement is true, and also check the if when it resolves before it does anything.

Crocodile · Jun 27, 2016

Here's some cosplay from the recent GP Taipei

Santiako said:
I know it was a given, but investigate not coming back bums me out. It's such a great mechanic.

I know the flavor reason but it still sucks a lot - Invesitgate ruled!

As for Meld, its a cool idea but not something I'm super keen about. Having it on so few cards makes it extra meh but I appreciate they didn't want to eat up all the DFC slots.

Also the official art for the new Thalia card looks weird. Like she's wearing a mix of a turtle and armadillo carapace.

Angry Grimace · Jun 27, 2016

Crocodile said:
Here's some cosplay from the recent GP Taipei

I know the flavor reason but it still sucks a lot - Invesitgate ruled!

As for Meld, its a cool idea but not something I'm super keen about. Having it on so few cards makes it extra meh but I appreciate they didn't want to eat up all the DFC slots.

Also the official art for the new Thalia card looks weird. Like she's wearing a mix of a turtle and armadillo carapace.

As usual, Jace is the best.

Part of the problem with meld is that its a mechanic I think most people would assume is going to be a big hit among casuals, but the way they implemented it means casuals won't often by able to pull it off outside of Graf Rats. I think there has to be legitimate concern that a casual will open a pack and get a Bruna and see this cool looking half-card on the back and realize that it doesn't do anything unless they also get a different mythic rare that probably costs $15 (because Gisela's front side is arguably Standard playable and will have demand regardless). That was one of the other reasons I was skeptical about the double-card implementation - if you get Bruna, you have no idea what the reverse side even does.

"God's Beard!" · Jun 27, 2016

Bruna doing the meld combo by herself kinda makes me sad that there probably aren't going to be any Ever After shenanigans with meld creatures because there's only two others and one's at common with the last one relying on a land. You could just play a midrange deck with 4 gisela and 1 bruna and be fine.

That said, mono black chittering host baby!

cooltrainer · Jun 27, 2016

Angry Grimace said:
Broken with Scornful Egotist

Scornful Egotist also combos with Eldritch Evolution. Get your foils now boys.

Angry Grimace · Jun 27, 2016

cooltrainer said:
Scornful Egotist also combos with Eldritch Evolution. Get your foils now boys.

I haven't seen any evidence of this card's existence yet...

OnPoint · Jun 27, 2016

hermit7 said:
I disagree here.

I am a big fan of the standard art. Not a fan of the promo art at all.

Then good thing for you I'm not in charge lol

SigmasonicX · Jun 27, 2016

Looking at Blessed Alliance, I'm guessing we're getting a cycle showing each tribe teaming up with one it shares a color with.

So,
Blue - Ghastly Alliance - spirits and zombies
Black - Somber Alliance - zombies and vampires
Red - Bloodthirsty Alliance - vampires and werewolves
Green - Wild Alliance - werewolves and humans

All of which are charms (three choices) with escalate (2) for 1M.

Blessed Alliance doesn't seem particularly flavored for each tribe, but a red version that is:
Bloodthirsty Alliance - 1R
Instant
Escalate (2)
Choose one or more--
* Attacking creatures gain first strike until end of turn.
* Transform target Werewolf creature you control.
* Deal 3 damage to target creature.

kirblar · Jun 27, 2016

Angry Grimace said:
I haven't seen any evidence of this card's existence yet...

Other than the same poster having the Brisela art but not knowing what it was 2 weeks ago?

Or him leaking the meld face cards?

Ashodin · Jun 27, 2016

Bloodthirsty Alliance better be some awesome shit

The white one is OK in my standard deck.

4 mana open up two blockers + sac an attacker is some gooooood combat trix

Angry Grimace · Jun 27, 2016

kirblar said:
Other than the same poster having the Brisela art but not knowing what it was 2 weeks ago?

Or him leaking the meld face cards?

...who are you even talking about and where? I just looked on MTGS and they don't have the card listed or a thread for it. The only thing I saw on it was someone wrote out the card in this thread.

kirblar · Jun 27, 2016

Angry Grimace said:
...who are you even talking about and where? I just looked on MTGS and they don't have the card listed or a thread for it. The only thing I saw on it was someone wrote out the card in this thread.

The stuff's all coming from a specific reddit poster. https://www.reddit.com/user/leakyfaucets123

Ashodin · Jun 27, 2016

All of that guy's leaks are true, so the Burst cycle being reprinted (or something similar) has still not been revealed yet.

Angry Grimace · Jun 27, 2016

What am I looking at

//Creatures

4 Arbor Elf
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Sylvan Caryatid
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

//Enchantment

4 Oath of Nissa
2 Blood Moon
2 Doubling Season

//Planeswalker

1 Chandra, Flamecaller
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
1 Gideon Jura
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Jace, Architect of Thought
4 Nahiri, the Harbinger
3 Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
2 Xenagos, the Reveler
1 Ral Zarek

//Land

2 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
2 Stomping Ground
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Breeding Pool
4 Forest
2 Gavony Township
2 Temple Garden
1 Westvale Abbey
3 Windswept Heath
3 Wooded Foothills

//Sideboard

2 Blood Moon
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Fog
3 Leyline of Sanctity
3 Rest in Peace
3 Stony Silence
2 Worship

twobear · Jun 27, 2016

emrakul does seem a bit weak in a format with ormendahl tbh?

is eternal masters not in standard? i guess not?

Angry Grimace · Jun 27, 2016

godelsmetric said:
emrakul does seem a bit weak in a format with ormendahl tbh?

is eternal masters not in standard? i guess not?

Nope, EMA is just a reprint set.

Emrakul isn't weak, he just goes in a deck that isn't currently good - he's a payoff card for going hard into Delirium.

Firemind · Jun 27, 2016

Familienoberhauptvogel said:
While true that redundancy is good, the high CMC is overcrowded with angels already and I like other options more there. The only Angel I'd consider cutting right now is Anya but there are so few Boros Angels as is in my deck already.

This is more or less my current list, missing a sword of fire and ice, ricochet trap instead of reverberate, gamble and mana crypt. I guess I could cut the defy death, I think I'll do that being uncounterabel and having a sozeable body is preferable over a card mostly in for flavour reasons.

Play more angels. Like, I have no idea why Boros Charm and Lightning Helix are in the deck.

I think Assemble the Legion is a bit of a flavour fail tbh. Elspeth and Ajani too. Also Earthquake. Wrath of God and Armageddon are flavour wins at least.

Angry Grimace · Jun 27, 2016

Firemind said:
Play more angels. Like, I have no idea why Boros Charm and Lightning Helix are in the deck.

I think Assemble the Legion is a bit of a flavour fail tbh. Elspeth and Ajani too. Also Earthquake. Wrath of God and Armageddon are flavour wins at least.

I was wondering why doesn't the deck doesn't have Archangel Avacyn? Is the fliptrigger that bad? I would think most angels live through it.

Firemind · Jun 27, 2016

Demands a premium price atm I reckon. Reckon she will crater after rotation. Although that's what I thought about Thundermaw too. :lol

Angry Grimace · Jun 27, 2016

In my mind, the Mindwrack Demon/Delirium/Emrakul deck is gonna be fucking sweet. Like, I don't think its an unfair point to say Emrakul is a legit payoff for playing the deck and being able to Traverse for her is pretty cool sounding too.

(Please be good)

charlequin · Jun 28, 2016

Angry Grimace said:
Emrakul isn't weak, he just goes in a deck that isn't currently good - he's a payoff card for going hard into Delirium.

She.

Emrakul unfortunately is the least good against a deck that just poops out a wall of green-white tokens so she might not find a spot right away, but I'm definitely convinced she'll see Standard play.

aidan · Jun 28, 2016

Is this like a remand without the cantrip? I don't really get how returning a spell to its owner's hand works.

EDIT: But, it can also target creatures on the battlefield, which seems good.

Firemind · Jun 28, 2016

So many Remands that are worse than Remand

y2dvd · Jun 28, 2016

Yall ever been successful finding a good deal on Craigslist or in yardsales? I was looking today but I feel like I'm wasting my time haha.

*edit
Unsubstantiate could go well in those blue decks thay runs Days Undoing.

ultron87 · Jun 28, 2016

Unlike Remand, it can bounce uncounterable spells.

(Obviously still way worse than Remand.)

aidan · Jun 28, 2016

ultron87 said:
Unlike Remand, it can bounce uncounterable spells.

Hitting Abrupt Decay seems significant.

Firemind · Jun 28, 2016

aidan said:
Hitting Abrupt Decay seems significant.

why? you still lose a card

Angry Grimace · Jun 28, 2016

charlequin said:
She.

Emrakul unfortunately is the least good against a deck that just poops out a wall of green-white tokens so she might not find a spot right away, but I'm definitely convinced she'll see Standard play.

I don't think she's bad against that at all. She deals 13 almost unanswerable damage and you can get lucky and catch them with a Declaration in hand, and if this is a Mindwrack Demon deck, you've hopefully gotten in a couple of times.

siddx · Jun 28, 2016

aidan said:
Is this like a remand without the cantrip? I don't really get how returning a spell to its owner's hand works.

EDIT: But, it can also target creatures on the battlefield, which seems good.

I'd use it in draft or sealed. Popping your opponents fatty into his hand at the end of his turn has won many a game for me.

red13th · Jun 28, 2016

aidan said:
Is this like a remand without the cantrip? I don't really get how returning a spell to its owner's hand works.

EDIT: But, it can also target creatures on the battlefield, which seems good.

Liliana knew Jace already? I didn't know that.

Santiako · Jun 28, 2016

red13th said:
Liliana knew Jace already? I didn't know that.

They've even fucked in the past.

Haly · Jun 28, 2016

Feels like YGO: The set.

Sacrificing creatures to summoner bigger creatures.
Fusing creatures together.

Just need Morph so I can play a card face down, tapped.

"God's Beard!" · Jun 28, 2016

Firemind said:
So many Remands that are worse than Remand

To be fair Remand is one of the best 2cmc counters ever printed.

aidan said:
Is this like a remand without the cantrip? I don't really get how returning a spell to its owner's hand works.

EDIT: But, it can also target creatures on the battlefield, which seems good.

I love this card. So much flexibility. Tempo your opponent, bounce your own creatures, remand your bearer of silence to get multiple cast triggers without opening it up to removal, all kinds of fun stuff.

Firemind · Jun 28, 2016

Haly said:
Feels like YGO: The set.

Sacrificing creatures to summoner bigger creatures.
Fusing creatures together.

Just need Morph so I can play a card face down, tapped.

yah shadows of innistrad has been pretty meh as a whole

but that's what you get when you let eldrazi loose on a set

Ashodin · Jun 28, 2016

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";208528629]To be fair Remand is one of the best 2cmc counters ever printed.

I love this card. So much flexibility. Tempo your opponent, bounce your own creatures, remand your bearer of silence to get multiple cast triggers without opening it up to removal, all kinds of fun stuff.[/QUOTE]

bounce your own Rattlechains for maximum flash value

SigmasonicX · Jun 28, 2016

aidan said:
Is this like a remand without the cantrip? I don't really get how returning a spell to its owner's hand works.

EDIT: But, it can also target creatures on the battlefield, which seems good.

I was expecting them to print Remand without the cantrip, so I'm surprised they also added unsummon.

After MaRo's post about how they were planning on addressing the fact that Jace's sarcastic quips aren't actually in character, I'm amused that their plan appears to be to have other characters make the quips for him.

HK-47 · Jun 28, 2016

charlequin said:
She.

Emrakul unfortunately is the least good against a deck that just poops out a wall of green-white tokens so she might not find a spot right away, but I'm definitely convinced she'll see Standard play.

Maybe if they gave her annihilator 6.

HK-47 · Jun 28, 2016

Firemind said:
yah shadows of innistrad has been pretty meh as a whole

but that's what you get when you let eldrazi loose on a set

Nope. Limited is pretty sweet.

Firemind · Jun 28, 2016

HK-47 said:
Nope. Limited is pretty sweet.

nah it's really not

i reckon it will be doubly so when this set releases, just like with rise of the eldrazi.

Ashodin · Jun 28, 2016

Just give me:

More equipment
More equipment stuff
Red spells
White/Red resilient creatures

we good.

Yeef · Jun 28, 2016

SOI limited is great. We haven't seen enough of this set yet to get a picture of how it will affect the format.

Ashodin · Jun 28, 2016

I mean TBH I shouldn't expect the motherlode until Kaladesh block but MAN

Firemind · Jun 28, 2016

still worse than og innistrad tho

HK-47 · Jun 28, 2016

Firemind said:
still worse than og innistrad tho

Wow worse than one of the best draft formats ever. Truly an insult to magic.

Firemind · Jun 28, 2016

i am glad you know they can do better

OnPoint · Jun 28, 2016

aidan said:
Is this like a remand without the cantrip? I don't really get how returning a spell to its owner's hand works.

EDIT: But, it can also target creatures on the battlefield, which seems good.

That flavor text is mehhhhhh

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