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charlequin · Jul 5, 2016

Thinking about it, I'm realizing the problem with Meld as executed here is that they wanted to use DFC slots for other things and that leads to this kind of ambivalent feeling.

What you'd want to do is do a full block where this is the DFC treatment and the total volume is similar to DFC volume in SOI. Then you can fully design the set around having all these front cards work as normal parts of the set and then use some of the interesting mechanical space on the back (melds that break back apart instead of leaving play, 3-card melds, mix-and-match melds, etc.) over the course of both sets. Probably the right place to do it is an artifact block, there's some obvious flavor executions there.

FWIW, Brisela is single-handedly going to be popular enough to have this mechanic come back eventually.

SigmasonicX said:
Though that does make me think. If Kaladesh has contraption assembling, perhaps they're using meld to solve that, or rather the same technology. There could be component artifacts that have a block of text on the back, and they are assembled to form a single contraction made up of multiple cards, with the rigger providing some extra text somehow.

Meld doesn't solve the contraptions problem because it's not an action a creature can perform.

Angry Grimace · Jul 5, 2016

I don't think Brisela will see much if any play outside of casually and even then the problem is that half of the combo is a Chase Mythic.

sgjackson · Jul 5, 2016

Simply Sarah said:
Is meld such an unpopular concept in-house that they only want to work with it going forward if it gets a super positive reception despite barely existing?

this was my assumption

Santiako · Jul 5, 2016

Straight up grizzly bear for red!

P O W E R C R E E P

OnPoint · Jul 5, 2016

Angry Grimace said:
I don't think Brisela will see much if any play outside of casually and even then the problem is that half of the combo is a Chase Mythic.

Causal popularity counts for a lot though, doesn't it?

SigmasonicX · Jul 5, 2016

Santiako said:
Straight up grizzly bear for red!

P O W E R C R E E P

Oh hey, the finally did it! And just like when they printed Walking Corpse, you can be sure that we'll quickly start getting strictly-betters in red.

The flavor is interesting. Perhaps after Olivia Voldaren is killed, the Falkenrath family starts taking over.

Angry Grimace · Jul 5, 2016

OnPoint said:
Causal popularity counts for a lot though, doesn't it?

That's the problem: the one casuals can actually play kind of sucks and the other ones are rares/mythics that require you to have two different cards. I don't think there's as much casual appeal as people are imagining with the way they actually implemented it.

I play with a casual friend in Sealed sometimes and the way he plays the game is way different than what most people probably imagine casual games are like. The concept of looking up what cards are in the set would never come up for this guy. If something is Mythic it might as well not exist. Like when I point this out, people always say "no, casuals will look up the card on their phone and then go buy it!" which is not how casual players play the game at all.

Ashodin · Jul 5, 2016

There's different levels of casual. Your guy is extreme casual, where playing is a random occurrence and not actively thought about.

Hero · Jul 5, 2016

We didn't get the vanilla mythic yet did we?

Angry Grimace · Jul 5, 2016

Ashodin said:
There's different levels of casual. Your guy is extreme casual, where playing is a random occurrence and not actively thought about.

What you are talking about isn't "casual."

SigmasonicX · Jul 5, 2016

Grimace, I still think you're underestimating how seeing just one common meld card, with half of a big card on the back, will get players interested.

Hero said:
We didn't get the vanilla mythic yet did we?

I'm pretty sure that's in a later set. MaRo talked a few weeks ago as though development of that set was still in progress, so it can't be Eldritch Moon.

Ashodin · Jul 5, 2016

I think it's sad the most hyped card in the set is an uncommon for me.

Angry Grimace · Jul 5, 2016

SigmasonicX said:
Grimace, I still think you're underestimating how seeing just one common meld card, with half of a big card on the back, will get players interested.

It might, but there's only one of them they'll reliably see. You complete that one and never see the mechanic again.

"God's Beard!" · Jul 5, 2016

Angry Grimace said:
I don't think Brisela will see much if any play outside of casually and even then the problem is that half of the combo is a Chase Mythic.

Esper Ever After, baby.

Keru_Shiri · Jul 5, 2016

Ashodin said:
I think it's sad the most hyped card in the set is an uncommon for me.

Easier on the wallet at least...

Haines · Jul 5, 2016

Santiako said:
Straight up grizzly bear for red!

P O W E R C R E E P

What a wierd card. Vampire 2/2 seems like it should be a 2/1

charlequin · Jul 5, 2016

SigmasonicX said:
Oh hey, the finally did it! And just like when they printed Walking Corpse, you can be sure that we'll quickly start getting strictly-betters in red.

I mean they already did this with a one-mana 2/1 in red sooo.

Angry Grimace said:
That's the problem: the one casuals can actually play kind of sucks and the other ones are rares/mythics that require you to have two different cards. I don't think there's as much casual appeal as people are imagining with the way they actually implemented it.

I just don't think being a rare/mythic is really an obstacle to casual enthusiasm. If it's not a multi-copy must-play in major Standard decks it's not gonna be a super expensive card and it's gonna be exactly the kind of thing people with a limited budget seek out to trade for because if you're the only person who has it in a relatively limited pool it's going to be pretty badass.

Firemind · Jul 5, 2016

Dragon should have been 5/5. Higher toughness just seems weird to me. Can't complain too much otherwise, except it's ANOTHER card I can't target with Atarka's Command. smfh

The Technomancer · Jul 5, 2016

This is cute

ultron87 · Jul 5, 2016

That card is hilarious.

(Should be an Ooze.)

SigmasonicX · Jul 5, 2016

The Technomancer said:
This is cute

Neat. That should be a really good blocker. Since other creatures become copies, they also gain the ability to transform other creatures, by the way.

Ashodin · Jul 5, 2016

SigmasonicX said:
Neat. That should be a really good blocker. Since other creatures become copies, they also gain the ability to transform other creatures, by the way.

holy shit, the board will eventually just be all masses lol

This + Nahiri's Machinations = lol

Santiako · Jul 5, 2016

The Technomancer said:
This is cute

This card is going to be a mess in limited lol, all the board filled with 1/3s lol

Angry Grimace · Jul 5, 2016

The Technomancer said:
This is cute

This is actually a really good card out of the sideboard against certain decks. It's pretty funny if a Gideon swings into it.

ThLunarian · Jul 5, 2016

I know I've said it in here before, but I just can't get over how cool it is that this set is all about how Ghosts and Zombies have to band together with a team of superheroes in order to save the actual living creatures of the world from Cthulhu

Santiako · Jul 5, 2016

ThLunarian said:
I know I've said it in here before, but I just can't get over how cool it is that this set is all about how Ghosts and Zombies have to band together with a team of superheroes in order to save the actual living creatures of the world from Cthulhu

And don't forget that the humans that are not affected by Cthulu are the ones with JoJo stands.

Haines · Jul 5, 2016

Santiako said:
This card is going to be a mess in limited lol, all the board filled with 1/3s lol

Yeah. This is a great card.

I wonder if there's card tricks you can do it with it to make it so damage to something. I guess a fight card is the only thing I can think of.

Angry Grimace · Jul 5, 2016

Haines said:
Yeah. This is a great card.

I wonder if there's card tricks you can do it with it to make it so damage to something. I guess a fight card is the only thing I can think of.

That's why its ability only works with combat damage, so that you don't cast Chandra's Ignition on it.

Haines · Jul 5, 2016

Angry Grimace said:
That's why its ability only works with combat damage, so that you don't cast Chandra's Ignition on it.

Will there be a token card of the copy?

Attleborotaco · Jul 5, 2016

They should really reprint

ultron87 · Jul 5, 2016

Angry Grimace said:
This is actually a really good card out of the sideboard against certain decks. It's pretty funny if a Gideon swings into it.

Sadly Gideon prevents the damage. It'd transform an Ulamog though, which is pretty funny.

Angry Grimace · Jul 5, 2016

ultron87 said:
Sadly Gideon prevents the damage. It'd transform an Ulamog though, which is pretty funny.

Yeah you're right that would only work on Sarkhan 3.

Yeef · Jul 5, 2016

Angry Grimace said:
This is actually a really good card out of the sideboard against certain decks. It's pretty funny if a Gideon swings into it.

"Plus Gideon."

"Okay."

"Swing."

"Before blocks, Rattlechains. Permeating Mass. Block Gideon with the mass."

>:|

[EDIT] Oh right. I forgot GIdeon prevents the damage to avoid wonky loyalty counter interactions. Oh, well.

Angry Grimace · Jul 5, 2016

Yeef said:
"Plus Gideon."

"Okay."

"Swing."

"Before blocks, Rattlechains. Permeating Mass. Block Gideon with the mass."

>:|

[EDIT] Oh right. I forgot GIdeon prevents the damage to avoid wonky loyalty counter interactions. Oh, well.

If only Wild Slash was still legal and its second mode that was never relevant could be relevant.

Smiley90 · Jul 5, 2016

Crocodile said:

kirblar said:
This is such a bizarre choice for a Mythic.

edit: Also seems like the uncommons are part of the gold cycle in this set? Such weird choices.

my first thought as well

A Serious Man said:
It feels like half this set was designed for Commander.

EDIT: Actually that dragon isn't half bad, that's a pretty good form of removal protection.

these are much better

Ashodin · Jul 5, 2016

Yeef said:
"Before blocks, Rattlechains. Permeating Mass.

Still not a bad combo. That's three mana to transform anyone into a 1/3 instant speed. Get first strike on it somehow and baby you got a stew goin

Yeef · Jul 5, 2016

Grim Flayer is fine at Mythic. It's a 2-drop 4/4 that lets you stack your deck every turn. It would get pretty old at rare.

Firemind · Jul 5, 2016

Without Delirium, it's a worse Putrid Leech. Don't think it'd be too good at rare in limited. :shrug

El Topo · Jul 5, 2016

It allows you to control which cards you draw and helps graveyard interaction. That's not too bad for a two-drop that can become a 4/4.

Ashodin · Jul 5, 2016

El Topo said:
It allows you to control which cards you draw and helps graveyard interaction. That's not too bad for a two-drop that can become a 4/4.

All I know is Blue is jealous as FUCK

Firemind · Jul 5, 2016

If you deal combat damage, yeah. It's still a 2/2 that's more difficult to cast than most bears.

El Topo · Jul 5, 2016

Ashodin said:
All I know is Blue is jealous as FUCK

Blue should be jealous about the 1/3 for G. That's a card I really like.

Firemind said:
If you deal combat damage, yeah. It's still a 2/2 that's more difficult to cast than most bears.

I mean, I don't think the card is all that powerful (due to color restrictions alone already), but it has potential.

Seligrafo · Jul 5, 2016

Are there any active MtG related discords? I'd love to get into a larger community without having to wait for a few days before a judge twitter can answer questions, etc? An MTGAF discord would pretty cool, if there isn't one already.

Santiako · Jul 5, 2016

Seligrafo said:
Are there any active MtG related discords? I'd love to get into a larger community without having to wait for a few days before a judge twitter can answer questions, etc? An MTGAF discord would pretty cool, if there isn't one already.

What are discords?

ultron87 · Jul 5, 2016

Seligrafo said:
Are there any active MtG related discords? I'd love to get into a larger community without having to wait for a few days before a judge twitter can answer questions, etc? An MTGAF discord would pretty cool, if there isn't one already.

For judge questions specifically there is an IRC where people hang out and answer questions very quickly: http://chat.magicjudges.org/mtgrules/

(It isn't loading right now for me, but I'm pretty sure it is still a thing.)

Seligrafo · Jul 5, 2016

Santiako said:
What are discords?

Discord is an IM chat service thing. It's kinda like a forum but IM-y? It's p cool.

I've been wanting to talk to custom magic folks about that whole scene cuz it's super interesting to me.

keeblerdrow · Jul 5, 2016

Seligrafo said:
Are there any active MtG related discords? I'd love to get into a larger community without having to wait for a few days before a judge twitter can answer questions, etc? An MTGAF discord would pretty cool, if there isn't one already.

There's not enough of an internet presence (play-wise) for the game to have an active discord, really. Despite the protestations of WotC, there is no esport component to the game and it runs a bit on the slower side, tech-wise, than its competitors.

Firemind · Jul 5, 2016

Wait, what? Ancestral Visions just tripled in value, both online and paper. o_0

Infinite Stars · Jul 5, 2016

Things I have learned on X-Mage today: Nahiri is now being run in Tooth and Nail and can ult on turn 5.

Seligrafo · Jul 5, 2016

keeblerdrow said:
There's not enough of an internet presence (play-wise) for the game to have an active discord, really. Despite the protestations of WotC, there is no esport component to the game and it runs a bit on the slower side, tech-wise, than its competitors.

Not necessarily for MTGO (which I don't actually play) but just MTG stuff in general. I guess I could make one? If people would be interested in joining. shrug

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